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GraStear wrote:
Yeah, perfect was not the best choice of words.

I meant more of an actual representation of what the light really is. If that makes sense.

Kind of a baseline, I guess. A starting point that represents the actual light color (?).


White light is 6500K.

If you REALLY want to know the color of the light that is in the scene, then set your camera to 6500K and leave it there.

Folks will chime in that daylight is a different color temp ... and it is. But, that's because the sunlight is distributed radially, and not 100% of all sunlight goes in the same direction. Hence, the direct sun, daylight temp is one color, open sky another temp, shadow temp is another color, etc. More on that, but I'll skip for now.


The question that you have to ask yourself is predominantly two fold (with a sub-variant).

1) Do I want the image to display the color of the lighting, or
2) Do I want the image to display the color of the objects reflecting the light "as if" it were being illuminated by full spectrum, white light (i.e. 6500K), in order to reflect the fullness of the inherent object color.

#2 is the essence of White Balance ... you are (re) balancing the color temperature adjustment to the "as if", based on trying to match the actual color of the illumination source light color, to emulate the full spectrum relationship.

Case in point, the golden hour yields warm light onto the subject and if shot at 6500K, there will be a warm cast on everything. But, that is actually the color of the light that is illuminating the objects ... so, if you want to showcase the warmth of the golden hour light, you don't (or only partial) fully correct, or not at all.

Otoh, if you are shooting something during golden hour and the (same) warm lighting is illuminating your subject, and you want to render the objects colors as close to their inherent color, (as if) it had been illuminated by full spectrum, white light ... then, you are to (re) balance the color temp.

Herein, lies the option to render to a level of "accuracy" vs. a level of "aesthetic preference". In that regard, the choice(s) reside in YOUR INTENT for how you want to render the image, and or relative to the expectation that others (client, etc.) may have, regarding accuracy vs. aesthetic.

The sub-variant is the fact, that as an ambient, natural light shooter ... you may often encounter "mixed" lighting of different color temps. THEN, you have the additional decision to make with regard to WHICH of the different color temps might you decide (re) balance toward a neutral position, or to "split the diff" between the differing source light temps.

IF ... you really want to get a better understanding of this, I recommend you set your camera to 6500K. Take a few walkabouts, at different times of day, and shoot in different lighting conditions (e.g. direct sun, overcast, shadow, open sky, slot canyon, etc.). Pay attention to just how much the time of day, and direction / orientation reveals the ever-changing lighting temp as the earth rotates your position, relative to the sunlight passing through the atmosphere.

If you like, you could get even more "comparative", by shooting the same scene at 6500K and then repeat with your camera set to AWB, to aid your study. Then, you'll not only see the comps of the actual color of your source illumination, but compared to (camera's automated attempt) the (re) balanced temp. Over time, you'll come to realize that there are pro's / con's to having a (closer to) neutral (re)balance of the temp vs. capture the true color of the source illumination. In that regard, you'll then come to answer the question for yourself.

Case in point, when I shot Antelope Canyon ... I shot it at the latest hour available. The color of the light passing through the slot differs as you have different angles of light passing through the slot. Those oranges / purples, etc. ... I wanted those to reveal themselves in the canyon walls. If I wanted to see the canyon walls represented as their inherent sand color, then I'd want to (re) balance the temp to the light so everything looked like tannish colored sand.

So, which is "correct" ... tan colored sand vs. orange / purple colored canyon walls? Well, that depends if you want to depict the sand for the "as if" it had been illuminated by neutral, full spectrum, white light ... or, do you want to depict the capture of the light color passing through the slot?

Another scenario is stage / band lighting. Do you try to "correct" for the multi-colored lights so that things look "as if" they had been shot with white light. Or, do you let the multi-colored rainbow showcase the color of the light itself?

The image below is of a "white" bridge" shot during "red" lighting. Do I adjust the WB temp to correct the bridge color to neutral, or do I allow the source light temp to reveal itself. Note also, the color of the sky / moon. If I make a global adjustment for the bridge, then I'll render the sky / moon differently. Where I decide to land it is my call ... (re) balance the light, or reveal the color of the light that is present. Same goes for the cloud image, which was basically a "fluffy white" to the naked, visual eye (human eye / brain accommodation). I could adjust the temp to make the cloud "white".

The last two images ... same bridge, different light / temp balance ... closer to neutral (re) balance).

Your pic, your choice ... reveal / showcase the light color vs. (re) balance the light color to "as if" neutral.

HTH




P.S. As to the matter of "HOW" to (re) balance to achieve the "as if" ... different question, but it is predicated on understanding what in your scene is being illuminated by your key light (vs. fill vs. multi-source).



Kent Southers 2025





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Aug 01, 2025 at 09:15 PM
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p.2 #2 · White Balance - Is it ever perfect?


RustyBug wrote:
The sub-variant is the fact, that as an ambient, natural light shooter ... you may often encounter "mixed" lighting of different color temps. THEN, you have the additional decision to make with regard to WHICH of the different color temps might you decide (re) balance toward a neutral position, or to "split the diff" between the differing source light temps..


You _could_ “balance toward a neutral position… but an alternative and often better solution is to use masks to adjust color differently in various areas of the frame.



Aug 02, 2025 at 08:51 AM
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I used to shoot a grey card. As I am walking in the woods and light changes, I just shoot another one. I don't do that much anymore as my eye has improved and I can tweak in processing.

If I am shooting head shots or flowers in my home... has huge glass walls so plenty of natural light ... I still shoot a grey card... it helps.

I recommend shooting a grey card... put it into your environment somewhere and take a shot. Then use that as a reference for other pictures that follow. Over time, you will learn.

Just to whine a bit, I am still amazed that how some shots just ... well the camera seems to loose its brain. Weird.

Peace
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Aug 02, 2025 at 01:00 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
You _could_ “balance toward a neutral position… but an alternative and often better solution is to use masks to adjust color differently in various areas of the frame.


Yes, I also make the decision to mask and selectively adjust different temps in order to render the "entire" scene as if it were shot in a singular, uniform, neutral balance. That is an extension of the aforementioned aspect of the decision to reveal the natural temp of the light vs. balance to a neutral adjustment is a personal decision. Depending on a variant of factors, I can opt
according to my intent for the image.

Note: Pet peeve of mine is when folks will balance the wedding party / bridge / groom ... yet, the people are left with blue hair (i.e. AI = AR at blue sky).

Similar for green hair under the forest canopy, etc.



Aug 02, 2025 at 07:15 PM
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Bruce n Philly wrote:
I used to shoot a grey card.


+1

I ran a variety of tests with black, grey and white cards at different hours of the day. But, also at different orientations associated with those time of day aspects. Depending on your orientation NESW, the colors can be different.

Eventually, I grew to a place where I developed an understanding wrt to reading the light / time of day. Now, I lean pretty hard into "sampling" the image when I desire to neutral balance, rather than tote a card. But, that said ... I still regard the card as viable for more critical work. Of course, very little of my work is "critical" these days.




Aug 02, 2025 at 07:22 PM
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A gray card has its place, but sometimes it will actually undo the beauty of light that you are trying to capture.

Imagine a lovely scene during the golden hour, with warm-toned light creating a glow on your subject. Now put that gray card in the scene.

Back in the studio, click the gray eye-dropper tool in the curves panel (as one possibly method) on that gray card and cancel out all of that lovely warm tonality.

Or photograph under multi-colored stage lighting… Or do night photography in an environment with different colors of artificial light… and so on…

And, obviously, sometimes it is impossible to put a gray card in a place where it provides a useful reference. A few examples of that can be found earlier in this thread.



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Thanks to everyone for their input on this topic. It has been very helpful hearing everyone's perspective.

For me, I want to jump back and thank Rustybug for his insights. I will be trying his suggestion of shooting a walkabout at 6500 as a reference exercise.

Also his thoughts on source light vs. reflected light. There's a lot for me to ponder in his response. Thanks again!

In the end, the art lies somewhere in the option to render to a level of "accuracy" vs. a level of "aesthetic preference".

Lastly, I just picked up this device to try. Datacolor Lightcolor meter. Supposedly it acts like your camera's white balance meter but as an external device with associated phone app for extended features.

https://www.datacolor.com/spyder/products/lightcolor-meter/


Greg



Aug 03, 2025 at 09:52 AM
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A small potentially relevant for some feature in Fuji cameras, and probably similar is available in other brands. Fuji has an AWB-ambience option. This leans the WB towards the ambient light temperature in order to preserve subject ambience. It keeps sunrises and sunsets truer to their perceived colors, as well as the same for high altitude cooler light and warmer indoor fire and candle lighting. It’s not perfect, but if your camera has similar, it’s at least worth trying. Fuji has another feature that helps with this, a setting to allow the EVF/LCD to emulate the captured color temp and exposure. Together they work pretty well for previewing the mood you are capturing. FWIW


Aug 03, 2025 at 10:32 AM
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@RustyBug...Wonderfull images! Thnxs for sharing.


Aug 03, 2025 at 10:34 AM
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Jack Flesher wrote:
A small potentially relevant for some feature in Fuji cameras, and probably similar is available in other brands. Fuji has an AWB-ambience option. This leans the WB towards the ambient light temperature in order to preserve subject ambience. It keeps sunrises and sunsets truer to their perceived colors, as well as the same for high altitude cooler light and warmer indoor fire and candle lighting. It’s not perfect, but if your camera has similar, it’s at least worth trying. Fuji has another feature that helps with this, a setting to allow the EVF/LCD to emulate the captured color temp
...Show more

Canon also has white priority and ambient priority for the AWB. I usually prefer not to use AWB for natural light since thousands of images will be captured in an hour with different colors. I normally choose a color temperature instead, and adjust it or do spot color pickers during RAW conversion.

EBH



Aug 03, 2025 at 11:13 AM
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I agree with folks saying technically perfect is not the goal. What looks pleasing is usually what I go for, so AWB and adjust to my eye in post.

Monitor differences is the big problem there but calibration can help



Aug 04, 2025 at 10:33 PM
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Ran across a small version from Antelope Canyon (posted in 2012 archives) ... referenced above.

I could have adjusted the WB to render the canyon its natural (tan-ish) color, but here I've opted to allow the color of the light to reveal itself as it graduates onto the canyon contours.



Kent Southers 2012




Aug 05, 2025 at 11:17 PM
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