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p.3 #1 · Binoculars - some advice


robert_in_ca wrote:
Nikon Monarch HG's are still made in Japan... rest of the Nikon line of binos are made in China.

Nikon WX is Japan but you're probably not in the market for those.



Jun 23, 2025 at 09:51 PM
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I'd give a strong vote to Swarovski. Here's why.

In 1990, I bought a pair of Swarovski binoculars. They were expensive, but I considered them a lifetime investment. I've used them nearly every day since, and taken them camping/hiking on several continents.

Sometime in the early 2000's, one side of my binoculars fogged up. Remembering that they had a lifetime warranty, I sent them in, as per instructions on the Swarovski Website. In the notes, I also asked that Swarovski collimate the binocs to my 57mm interpupillary distance (rather narrow).

A few days later, I received a voicemail from a lady at Swarovski, asking me to call her back. A bit cynically, I thought, "Here's where they tell me "lifetime warranty" doesn't mean what I thought it did."

But when I called, the nice lady said, "We no longer make your exact binoculars, but our engineers are going to make up a pair for you with the same specifications. We think you'll be pleased because they'll use more modern glass and coatings, so the binoculars should perform even better. The reason I asked you to call is that we don't make your green color anymore, and wanted to know if you'd prefer black or gray? Oh--and yes, our engineers will collimate them for your 57mm interpupillary distance."

Happily surprised, I remarked that this was wonderful customer service. She replied, "Use them another 25 years, and if they fog up again, send them back again! Or if you'd like them cleaned every few years, you can send them back for that, too."

And my binoculars soon arrive post-paid, better than new. Included was a nice new strap, with my old, much loved strap also included. So I feel very well treated by Swarovski, and think they've earned a loyal customer. Also, when a company treats us right, I feel we should tell others about it.

A friend has Nikon Monarchs, and we switch back and forth at times. At first, the Nikons do indeed look pretty good. But on careful examination--especially with backlit subjects--I see definite chromatic aberration with the Nikons that is absent in the Swarovskis. Sometimes this difference is enough to permit/prevent identification of a bird.

Vortex has indeed made great strides in producing high-quality optics at lower prices. Their best spotting scopes--which I've particularly had experience with--are excellent. Still, Swarovski spotting scopes are even better, if at notably higher prices.

And I agree with advice that binocular choice has a significant "individual preference" component--visual perception varies among individuals, as does hand size, physical strength, and hand/arm steadiness.

But I can testify to being treatedwonderfully by Swarovski customer service.

--Chris S.



Jun 23, 2025 at 11:55 PM
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p.3 #3 · Binoculars - some advice


rico wrote:
Nikon WX is Japan but you're probably not in the market for those.


Never heard of them... so I looked them up and WOW.



Jun 24, 2025 at 08:39 AM
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Chris S. wrote:
I'd give a strong vote to Swarovski. Here's why.

In 1990, I bought a pair of Swarovski binoculars. They were expensive, but I considered them a lifetime investment. I've used them nearly every day since, and taken them camping/hiking on several continents.

Sometime in the early 2000's, one side of my binoculars fogged up. Remembering that they had a lifetime warranty, I sent them in, as per instructions on the Swarovski Website. In the notes, I also asked that Swarovski collimate the binocs to my 57mm interpupillary distance (rather narrow).

A few days later, I received a voicemail from a lady at
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I've heard a lot of good things about their customer service but that's taking it to a whole new level.



Jun 24, 2025 at 08:40 AM
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Chris S. wrote:
I'd give a strong vote to Swarovski. Here's why.

In 1990, I bought a pair of Swarovski binoculars. They were expensive, but I considered them a lifetime investment. I've used them nearly every day since, and taken them camping/hiking on several continents.

Sometime in the early 2000's, one side of my binoculars fogged up. Remembering that they had a lifetime warranty, I sent them in, as per instructions on the Swarovski Website. In the notes, I also asked that Swarovski collimate the binocs to my 57mm interpupillary distance (rather narrow).

A few days later, I received a voicemail from a lady at
...Show more

Good to hear you had a good word regarding Vortex !!! My Vipers HD do all I need. I'm sure Swarovski takes it to the next level, but of course at a price.



Jun 24, 2025 at 12:44 PM
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Chris S. wrote:
I'd give a strong vote to Swarovski. Here's why.

In 1990, I bought a pair of Swarovski binoculars. They were expensive, but I considered them a lifetime investment. I've used them nearly every day since, and taken them camping/hiking on several continents.

Sometime in the early 2000's, one side of my binoculars fogged up. Remembering that they had a lifetime warranty, I sent them in, as per instructions on the Swarovski Website. In the notes, I also asked that Swarovski collimate the binocs to my 57mm interpupillary distance (rather narrow).

A few days later, I received a voicemail from a lady at
...Show more

Based on my recent experiences, I do not think Swarovski customer service in the USA is what it was. They used to clean and check your binoculars for free. I had that done a few years back and the turn around time they quoted was on the order of a couple of months. You could pay an "expedite" fee, which I did, and they would turn them in a couple of weeks. Now, they no longer offer a clean and check service. The other issue I've had is they make it difficult to contact them. Inquiries for North America support seem to redirect you to their international site. When I submitted a request for some replacement lens objective covers (these rubber covers are notorious for falling off on the EL and Swarovision series of binoculars), I never got a response. I was finally able to locate direct contact info for the US headquarters in Rhode Island and once I called them I did get prompt help. FYI, I believe this in the direct contact info:

CUSTOMER SERVICE AMERICAS
Phone (+1) (800) 426 3089

Mon - Fri 08:00 AM - 05:00 PM EST

Email [email protected]

With all that said, I do think they make a good product with first class optics. I've had three Swarovski binoculars (10x32 EL, 8x32 Swarovision, and 12x50 Swarovision). The 8x32 Swarovision is my current pair. I also have a Swarovski ATX spotting scope. My biggest complaint has been the objective cover issue which I've solved by using zip ties to hold them on to the binoculars.






Jun 24, 2025 at 03:14 PM
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robert_in_ca wrote:
Never heard of them... so I looked them up and WOW.

I've already researched WX in the past and drooled all over myself—not pretty. The peeps on Cloudy Nights are true maniacs if you want to know about binoculars: much more hardcore than Bird Forum. This one thread can tell you a lot about bins in general, their features, and the tradeoffs:

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/800763-how-does-the-nikon-wx-10x50-if-justify-its-insane-pricetag-you-can-literally-purchase-seven-fujinon-10x50-fmt-sx-and-get-back-500-in-change/

Follow the link on the first page to the web site of Holger Merlitz who happens to be some kind of genius or optical engineer. He has a report on the WX and, separately, the whole matter of "rolling ball" effect. I also like the postings about the members who make "binoculars" with two 5-inch refractors. Holy crap. Also the WX making-of article on the Nikon web site is linked, and makes an awesome read.



Jun 24, 2025 at 05:33 PM
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amv8 wrote:
Based on my recent experiences, I do not think Swarovski customer service in the USA is what it was. They used to clean and check your binoculars for free. I had that done a few years back and the turn around time they quoted was on the order of a couple of months. You could pay an "expedite" fee, which I did, and they would turn them in a couple of weeks. Now, they no longer offer a clean and check service. The other issue I've had is they make it difficult to contact them. Inquiries for North America support
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I'm really sorry to hear this. Loss of the clean and check service, in particular, is saddening.

--Chris S.



Jun 24, 2025 at 10:13 PM
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IndyFab wrote:
Good to hear you had a good word regarding Vortex !!! My Vipers HD do all I need. I'm sure Swarovski takes it to the next level, but of course at a price.


Vortex deserves a lot of good words. I think their participation in the optics market has raised quality bars and lowered price points.

A few years ago, a friend got into competitive precision rifle shooting. His second purchase, after a good rifle, was a good rifle scope. Researching these scopes with him at that time, Vortex was fairly new in that market and had made a big splash, introducing scopes as good as top brands, at a fraction of their price. My friend purchased Vortex's second tier down, and did well with it. Sometime later he upgraded to their top tier, and did even better. I've used his rifle with each scope, and can tell their quality: The second tier scope is pretty good, and the top tier scope is great.

I think Vortex has impacted the spotting scope market in a similar way that is great for consumers. I still favor Swarovski spotting scopes, but the best Vortex spotting scopes are surprisingly close in visual quality, at much less money. Years ago, before Vortex came along, when I was on a tight budget and looking for a spotting scope, there was nothing close to Vortex's quality at Vortex's price if adjusted to those days' dollars.

A friend recently purchased a Vortex spotting scope, which I've used it quite a bit. It's a joy to work with. Is it as good as Swarovski scopes at several times the price? No. Is it very very good? Yes. And the Vortex scope my friend could afford to buy is a lot more useful than the Swarovski she could only dream of buying.

I have much less familiarity with Vortex binoculars (have only looked through a couple in a store) but suspect the situation is similar: great quality at a more reasonable price.

--Chris S.




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Jun 24, 2025 at 10:33 PM
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Without a doubt buy a very high quality lightweight set to start with: Leica 8x20 Ultravid - premium color you don't need IS. You bought the 2.8 IS camera lenses to do the job - let them do it. You want binoculars that can sit on your neck 18 hours a day. If you later want a set for low light or astro go for it but you will never regret buying a pair that you will take everywhere and never regret.



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netexpress wrote:
Without a doubt buy a very high quality lightweight set to start with: Leica 8x20 Ultravid - premium color you don't need IS. You bought the 2.8 IS camera lenses to do the job - let them do it. You want binoculars that can sit on your neck 18 hours a day. If you later want a set for low light or astro go for it but you will never regret buying a pair that you will take everywhere and never regret.


I agree with netexpress' advice. It's excellent.

My daily-use binocs are Swarovski 6x30's--very light-weight and low-bulk, and therefore trivial to bring on every trip and hike. Because of this, they've seen tons of use--and allowed me to view countless things I otherwise would have missed.

I later added a pair of 16x70 Fujinon astronomical binoculars. These are are huge, heavy, and impossible for me to handhold. But I quite like them on a sturdy tripod and gimbal mount, for night skies and distant wildlife such as waterfowl in the middle of big lakes (for which they are shockingly revealing). BUT, these are only with me when there is good reason to schlep them and supporting gear. They see much less use than my daily-use binoculars.

A friend has a Canon bridge camera with a long lens and IS, a model that is very popular with birders. I often choose to carry her camera instead of binoculars, provided she is along with a set of binoculars. (She prefers that I carry the camera, as I have more experience with cameras than she has.) The combination of binoculars and a camera with a long, IS lens is powerful. We often pour over images on a big screen later, and identify field marks we hadn't noticed in the field. For birds that are new to our life lists, it's very helpful to have images that confirm the sighting.

As a Nikon shooter myself, I've had an old version of a VR lens that was great for birding and wildlife (which I sold when I moved to mirrorless, and intend to replace with a newer VR lens native to mirrorless). For birding and other wildlife, a camera plus binoculars is a powerful combo. And the combo of: a light-weight binocular for general use; a low-light binocular for astro, low-light, and distant use; and a camera with an image-stabilizing lens is an even more powerful combo.

--Chris S.




Jun 25, 2025 at 11:55 PM
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I seldom use my Swarovski binoculars anymore. My hands shake a little, and I have found that at the hawk watch, I am able to better identify a distant hawk with the Canon IS 10x42 L IS binoculars. Admittedly, they are a little on the awkward side. I agree that Nikon Monarchs are the best bang for the buck, and I feel the Vortex Viper is a little better than the Monarchs.


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I have a pair of Zeiss Conquest H D 8 x 42 but when I went to Africa I bought a pair of Swarovski 8x 25 which are small and compact and will fit in your pocket. So if I’m out carrying photography equipment the are perfect size with great optics.

Dave



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I love stabilized binoculars, it is a game changer. Optics are not as good as Zeiss and Swaroski (contrast mainly and perhaps fringing). but stabilization is a big plus, specially in Safari on boats, etc. I have Canon and Fujinon stabilized binoculars, but now I bought the much smaller Nikon STABILIZED 10x25 S and they are FANTASTIC, small, lightweight (395gr), very good optics, highly recommended.


Jun 27, 2025 at 05:35 PM
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$600 and no water resistance

EBH



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mabidally wrote:
Nikon Monarchs are also good, I have owned one however found the Vortex better. Vortex also gave a lifetime warranty!


I bought a pair of Vortex's last weekend and love them!!! Very Clear and bright early in the morning and later in the evening. Mine are the Diamondback HD 10x50's. The store owner had a pair that had been through a house fire and Vortex replaced no questions asked.









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I carried an assortment of binoculars for 32 years (wildlife biologist), everything from 7x to 12x and found the 8x or 8.5x to be perfect for general, everyday use. As for the front (objective) 40-42mm were perfect. Today for personal use I own Swarovski EL 8.5 x 42mm and love them. I also own a set of Leica Compact 10x24’s. These are nice to keep in my shirt pocket but the narrow field of view limits their use.


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I have these two brands of binoculars. I have the same Swarovski as you're considering and the Leica I have is a 10X42 Ultravid and optically both are superb. That said, my Swarovski broke down in Antarctica and so now stays at home for bird watching, the Leica travels with me. I feel that the Leicas are a bit better built. Optically, you cannot go wrong with either one.


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Bought a pair of Nikon Monarch 7 10x42 about 10 years ago. Still love then dearly. Very sharp and lovely contrast.


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i've used and owned most of the alpha's. you want the best, swarovski NL Pures. You want the best for travel based on size vs performance: Zeiss 8x40/10x40 SFL's.


you want even smaller, check out the zeiss sfl 8x30/10x30's. I've owned both of these and they just felt too small for my hands, i ended up keeping the 8x40 sfl's.

Also try to put these in your hands. binoculars have a feeling, and you'll want something that feels good to you.



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