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p.1 #1 · Landscape


A shot from last night on the Washington Coast. Just curious what your thoughts are. I know it's nowhere near a "classic" shot of sunset, but I've lately been drawn to see things a bit different in an effort to break a major rut in my photography.

Thanks for looking and please feel free to offer your honest perspective.

Greg




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Jun 14, 2025 at 09:46 PM
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You have some interesting colors and nice balance. It is also peaceful.

When we take photos and look at them for a while and wonder why it seems like something is missing, it is probably because something is missing. You have an interesting sky, but the foreground is not pulling its fair share of the load. Some interesting focal points in the foreground would help, could be mountains, could be animals, could be a cabin, or all three, you get the idea. I would also crop away about 1/3 of the foreground so the viewer can tell the image is more about the sky than the foreground.

Edited on Oct 29, 2025 at 05:05 PM · View previous versions



Jun 15, 2025 at 12:20 AM
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grandmas wrote:
You have some interesting colors and nice balance. It is also peaceful.

When we take photos and look at them for a while and wonder why it seems like something is missing, it is probably because something is missing. You have an interesting sky, but the foreground is not pulling its fair share of the load. Some interesting focal points in the foreground would help, could be mountains, could be animals, could be a cabin, or all three, you get the idea. I would also crop away about 1/3 of the foreground so the viewer can tell the image is more
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Thanks for taking the time to respond and offer your input. I'll play with the crop maintaining a 16:9 ratio and see what happens.

Thanks!
Greg



Jun 15, 2025 at 08:17 AM
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p.1 #4 · Landscape


Greg, I know very well your feelings trying new things to spark creativity and motivation.
Sometimes we feel the need to open our mind to new possibilities. I think that is a great thing. Not only energizes us, but contributes to our growth as photographers.

Getting to your photo, I believe that technically this image was well-executed. However, the dynamic range of sunset scenes can be challenging for the camera to capture. What I see in your image is the lack “chiaroscuro”. The light feels a bit flat on my monitor (which is calibrated on the dark side). The juxtaposition of dark and light can create some beautiful designs in a landscape photo, and create some depth.

Sunset photos can have an infinite variety of mood: dramatic, delicate, cheerful, peaceful, etc. In your case I find it difficult to feel the mood you are trying to convey.
Colors can convey mood, and I would emphasize more the blue and orange colors of the sky to create a great color contrast.

As far as the composition goes, and given that it is always a personal choice, usually placing the horizon line in the middle of the frame doesn’t help to guide the eye of the viewer as s/he might get confused about what you want him to look at: the sky or the FG? So, you may want to make clear what you want the viewer to look at by giving more canvas to that part of the image.

I see some white halos along the slope of the left side hill were it meets with the ground.

In my re-edit I tried to show some suggestions mentioned above.

One final thing. I think the photo's (double) matting is influencing the aesthetic of the image and how is perceived. A photograph without a mat looks more like art rather than a photograph.

Socrate








Jun 15, 2025 at 03:23 PM
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Socrate, what a awesome job with the image. While I lack your skills, you did show me what's possible, so I took another stab with yours and grandmas suggestions:

-Started with a new image in the set.
-16:9 crop with more of the foreground given up to lower the horizon
-tried to minimize the haloing on the right side on the edge of the cliff
-used some brushing to add more light to the flora. then applied a GND filter

I left off the border on this one for the purpose of evaluation, but I had a hard time doing so. Just so you know

Thoughts?

Greg






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Jun 15, 2025 at 07:13 PM
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gregfountain wrote:
Socrate, what a awesome job with the image. While I lack your skills, you did show me what's possible, so I took another stab with yours and grandmas suggestions:

-Started with a new image in the set.
-16:9 crop with more of the foreground given up to lower the horizon
-tried to minimize the haloing on the right side on the edge of the cliff
-used some brushing to add more light to the flora. then applied a GND filter

I left off the border on this one for the purpose of evaluation, but I had a hard time doing so. Just so you know
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I like the composition better, Greg, but I think the sky is more inviting in your original post. What looks like a jet stream in the second image makes the shot unbalanced to my eyes. It feels too dominant. Looks to me as if it doesn’t belong to the image.
I do like the orange and blue contrast in the sky in your last edit, though. I believe is the result of the GND filter

I also feel like the lighting could be a bit softer and warmer in your second edit.
The sky is absolutely everything when it comes to light, especially sunrises and sunsets when the sun is lower in the sky, its light is softer, creating a warm and natural look, and a sense of peaceful transition from day to night. So, keep that in mind when you edit the light.

One thing I didn’t mention in my first post is that I believe there is so much you can do with this photo as far as the mood is concerned. The reason being the presence of the FG bushes, and dead sticks, that feel to me like a barrier to the viewer to get into your image. I wish they were flower bushes, and I know you can do a great job with flowers But, that was how I felt when I first saw your photo and to me it takes some mood away. Others may see it differently, so what matters is how you feel about it.

To make my point I eliminated the FG bushes and the jet stream(?) in your second image.Nothing to do with how to edit your photo. Just so you can get the feel of the difference in mood (I hope). I also emphasize the softness and warmness of the lighting.

To summarize it I believe that if you soften and warm the lighting in the second image you got it.

So, keep shooting, and remember that "Every sunset brings the promise of a new dawn."

Socrate








Jun 15, 2025 at 11:31 PM
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p.1 #7 · Landscape


gregfountain wrote:
I've lately been drawn to see things a bit different


So, in the realm of the "telephone game" ... what is it that you are "seeing" when you were there taking this (of the intent of)?

Refresher, on the telephone game:

You're standing there, in that moment in time and space. You are so smitten by the moment that you grab your phone and call your BFF / mentor / significant person.

"Dude, you oughta be here. It is so ______________ !!! And, the _________ is _________. And, the _________ is _________. The overall vibe is _________."


After YOU fill in the blanks (or make more of your own / different ... the emotive of your chosen words can give you verbal cues to what you are trying to "say" of what you were "seeing". Once you have those in your mindset, the processes for deciding what it is you want to convey to the viewer (audience of one-self, or many others) in your processing becomes more clear.

The "recommendations" then come from within what YOU were seeing, that compelled you to capture the image to begin with. The processing decisions (crop, WB, vibrance / sat) are then a natural extension of that to bring it to fruition.

Imo, some of the hyper processing might be incongruous with the original intent of the image. By that, I mean ... if the mood of the original capture (as an example) were to be serene, end of day mood / vibe "Dude, it is so serene out here.", and the processing is electrifying with neon colors, there's a mismatch between the intent of what YOU SEE DIFFERENTLY. It might be that for YOU, what YOU saw of the brambles were integral to natural elements in play. Depending on how you answer the telephone game ... the decision for the brambles to be in vs. out, can differ.

As I watch the progression of edits from the original capture to the latest one ... it is clear that the decision making process does NOT include consideration to what the OP was thinking at the time of capture intent / post-capture intent to what he was "seeing" (nobody bothered to ask). Rather, it is a progression of edits to what OTHERS WANT the image to be. That, then is THEIR VOICE, not the OP's VOICE. The telephone game is the OP's VOICE.

As I take the OP statement ... it is one way of indicating the OP is trying to find the OP's VOICE ... and, then, what might the OP do better to present the OP's VOICE. But, the first thing that has to occur, is the OP has to know what his voice is.

Many folks struggle with articulating their voice. I developed the telephone game long ago, to illustrate a natural extension of how we translate from the visual > emotive > verbal ... and now, the key is to harness that verbal > visual > emotive to convey for others to embrace the presence of what it was like (within the understood limits, thereof) to be there in that moment, although they were not there.

I can dig on Greg liking what others have done, and being impressed by their editing prowess. But, I'd really like to hear (there's that voice thing) from Greg what he'd tell me on the phone, while he was standing there, and I was back home, wishing I was there with him. Then, I might have a suggestion or two. But, for now ... I'll wait to hear from Greg.

HTH




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RustyBug wrote:
............

I can dig on Greg liking what others have done, and being impressed by their editing prowess. But, I'd really like to hear (there's that voice thing) from Greg what he'd tell me on the phone, while he was standing there, and I was back home, wishing I was there with him. Then, I might have a suggestion or two. But, for now ... I'll wait to hear from Greg.



Sunrises and sunsets are typically very appealing with great colors, provide a strong focal point and natural vignetting to hold the viewer's attention. Anyone standing there can snap a picture and be guaranteed of capturing some of that appeal.

When it comes to a critique, I would be looking for something more aside from an appealing subject. What is it that the photographer brings to the art? What are they trying to communicate? What sort of feedback are they looking for?



Jun 16, 2025 at 08:23 AM
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p.1 #9 · Landscape


Good morning Kent. You give a guy a lot to think about. I guess my conversation with you would be about the vast expanse of rugged coastline where sandy beaches meet old-growth forests, and the ocean that has savagely sculpted the landscape.

I like this location because it offers a view that encompasses of all of that in one spot. My goal in this exercise is simply to gain insight from others on how to best present those elements, and then go learn how to do it.

As I age, I realize more and more how much I don't know and how stubborn I can be in limiting myself, but I have learned one very important lesson in life: I'm almost never the smartest person in the room and if I just listen, there is a lot I can learn.

Thanks to all of you for your willingness to share your time and knowledge with me. It is very much appreciated!

Greg




Jun 16, 2025 at 09:08 AM
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p.1 #10 · Landscape


Greg your 15 assigments Still's are great.

My suggestion to get your gruv on as far as landscapes, give Gavin Hardcastle's ( fototripper https://www.youtube.com/@fototripper ) U-tube channel a view, he'll have you creating beautiful compositions and a lot of laughs to go along with it. ..



Jun 16, 2025 at 09:56 AM
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Something that has not been mentioned here is, standing closer to the water to take the photo (having more water in the photo) with colors reflected in the water. This would only help with a future shot. I like, Rusty don’t know exactly what kind of replies you are wanting. Are you wanting ideas for this photo or help for future shots you might want to take or both?


Jun 16, 2025 at 01:40 PM
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p.1 #12 · Landscape


gregfountain wrote:
Good morning Kent. You give a guy a lot to think about.

Greg






Jun 16, 2025 at 02:52 PM
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p.1 #13 · Landscape


gregfountain wrote:
...... My goal in this exercise is simply to gain insight from others on how to best present those elements, and then go learn how to do it.



For me the fun and challenge of photography is deciding what I want to convey and how to go about it. There is never a right way or even a better way. In fact working a scene and trying different approaches, different techniques and different stories is what photography is all about.

There are always endless possibilities in time and space. You can shoot from a high or low vantage point, wide or telephoto and in any direction. What was before or afterwards? Or behind you? Left, right, closer or farther away? Do you want to use techniques that emphasize depth? Concentrate on the sky, trees, water or something else? What changes when you physically move in any direction?



Jun 16, 2025 at 03:54 PM
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A nice image, but I keep searching for a strong focal point that pulls the viewer's eye to that spot.


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