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I’d just take the OM system add 40-150mm light, fun to use with great results. Have a phone as a back up.


Jul 14, 2025 at 04:54 PM
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Craig Gillette wrote:
Sounds good. Although there are some Olympics class lens swappers, there are times it's easier and faster to just go to a second camera.


My biggest worry was /is the exposed sensor on my M50, everytime I swapped lenses outside (which was numerous) I risked debris, rain drops, dust etc etc blowing in. It’s a stupid design. Having 2 bodies, especially the light M50 makes sense.



Jul 15, 2025 at 08:27 AM
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Pixelpuffin wrote:
My biggest worry was /is the exposed sensor on my M50, everytime I swapped lenses outside (which was numerous) I risked debris, rain drops, dust etc etc blowing in. It’s a stupid design. Having 2 bodies, especially the light M50 makes sense.


There’s no question that swapping lenses frequently increases the chances of a dust bunny. There are ways to minimize this risk, but if you are doing it a whole lot in risky environments… a zoom lens might be a better option.



Jul 15, 2025 at 11:12 AM
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Travel gear...to each their own. I haven't checked a bag in years (with the exception of ski trips) and only go with a carry on and a personal item, which can occasionally be challenging especially with the 8 kilo limit for carry ons with most European airlines.

I just got back yesterday from 2 weeks in the Dolomites and the Czech Republic. Maybe I'm insane, but I took the GFX 100 ii with the 45-100 and the 20-35, along with the Peak Design travel tripod. With how much you can crop with 100mp, I don't need anything longer than 100mm. My personal item was a Peak Design medium camera cube and it fit the body, the lenses, Nisi jetmag filter kit (3, 6 and 10 stop ND plus CP), three Small rig USBC direct charge batteries, shoulder strap, wrist strap.

When I shot Sony, I would often travel with only the a1 and the 24-70 2.8. Funny - that combo seems downright tiny compared to the GFX stuff.

I stopped carrying a second body years ago.



Jul 15, 2025 at 11:35 AM
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These discussions lead me back to a phrase in a George MacDonald Fraser book (McAuslan in the Rough) described a character in a regimental golf match as "festooned by impedimentia." I can swing between the "too much" and "too little" and usually am closer to using just the worried about "too little" but carrying closer to the "too much" side of things. My big trips are usually with wife and maybe family so not a dedicated photo expedition, so leaning to KISS and just enjoying what I see can be more important than actually getting pictures of everything.


Jul 15, 2025 at 11:54 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
There’s no question that swapping lenses frequently increases the chances of a dust bunny. There are ways to minimize this risk, but if you are doing it a whole lot in risky environments… a zoom lens might be a better option.

The 11-22 and 18-150 are both zoom lenses.
18 was often not wide enough and 22 not long enough… hence the constant lens swaps



Jul 15, 2025 at 01:02 PM
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I just received the R8, and I think it would make an excellent travel camera (except for the battery life, but I carry extras). If I felt compelled to carry 2 bodies, my R50 would make an excellent, battery-sharing companion.


Jul 15, 2025 at 03:54 PM
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I recently spent two weeks in Croatia and Slovenia. I brought a single body, the Panasonic S1R2, and spent almost the entire trip with just the Panasonic 28-200 lens. It was awfully nice just carrying one body/lens on a strap and not worrying about gear.

I also brought a 16-35 in case I needed a wider lens, particularly when I went to Plitvice. It turned out I didn't need it. I also brought an 18 f/1.8 in case I wanted a faster lens for interiors and for shooting at night. I only used it once for a Milky Way shot. The S1R2 works well enough at high ISO that I didn't need it for interiors.



Jul 15, 2025 at 04:10 PM
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The RF 24-240 has a lens design that relies heavily on lens correction software at both ends of the focal range. It can be a little soft at the edges. It's not very fast. There's even a bit of chromatic aberration under some conditions. However, the corrective software, image stabilization, and perhaps a CP filter solve those issues for me.

My full kit includes 4 Canon L zoom lenses: RF14-35, RF24-105 f/4, EF 70-200 2.8, and RF100-500. On extended trips where luggage is no issue I used to pack these as well as one or two L primes: EF 24 1.4 II, maybe an RF100 2.8 macro. I would say all of those have an overall image quality slightly better than the 24-240 in some aspects. Pixel peepers and professionals may be able to discern some differences, but never has it been a shot killing issue for me, family, friends, or clients (I dabble as a professional when requested.). The RF24-240 produces fine images, suitable for large prints.

Check out some reviews. I suggest Bryan Carnathan at The_DIgital_Image.com, and Ken Rockwell.

Additional thoughts: My personal travel includes dozens of trips and tours over decades, both in the states and abroad. I usually travel with family and friends. While they know I'll be shooting and sharing - and that they'll receive some lifetime keeper images - my photography is not the primary reason we travel. The itinerary is not built around my shooting. They want their own experience without undo distractions or delays. Our main focus is on the place, culture, people, history, food, architecture etc. They're all packing phones of course, which for everyone but passionate photogs is all they need or want. They are rarely interested enough in the potential quality difference between my gear and theirs to wait around while I change lenses or set up a tripod (which in many places is prohibited). Moreover, even with their encouragement and support for a good composition - (they'll let me move them around a little bit for portraits) they simply cannot discern the slightly better images from my L's versus the 24-240, even on their home computers.

After years of hauling gear and swapping lenses, my travel kit now consists of a tiny RF16 2.8, the 24-240, and the RF100-500 in a small swing bag. On daily excursions walking about the 24-240 is always on. Often I take only that lens in a holster, which I find the easiest kit to manage. If we're headed indoors or going out after dark I might take the RF16 2.8 - it fits in a pocket or the bottom of the holster.

The bottom line for me is I travel to absorb as much as possible through all my senses from interesting places - not just visually through photos or videos. I've missed some spontaneous magical moments while looking at only one aspect of an environment and fiddling with gear. Staying in the moment with friends and family is most important - it's why I go. Those are the memories the photographs will recall - the conversations, smells, tastes, atmosphere. There's ample quick opportunities, and the 24-240 delivers outstanding images. Once I understood my travel compaions' desires I learned to adapt my shooting and gear accordingly. We're all glad I did.



Jul 16, 2025 at 07:49 AM
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castlekeeper01 wrote:
The RF 24-240 has a lens design that relies heavily on lens correction software at both ends of the focal range. It can be a little soft at the edges. It's not very fast. There's even a bit of chromatic aberration under some conditions. However, the corrective software, image stabilization, and perhaps a CP filter solve those issues for me.

My full kit includes 4 Canon L zoom lenses: RF14-35, RF24-105 f/4, EF 70-200 2.8, and RF100-500. On extended trips where luggage is no issue I used to pack these as well as one or two L primes: EF 24
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Thank you for your detailed feedback! After reading several recommendations here regarding the Canon RF 24-240, I have been looking into it. My only struggle with going with that lens is its slower apertures, especially at the long end.

One of the things I didn't clarify on my original post was why I'm so insistent on IQ, especially for an upcoming trip I have planned. I will be traveling with two elderly family members who are not in the greatest health. This might be a once in a lifetime opportunity to capture pictures of them traveling abroad. Someday, maybe in a decade or more, I'd like to review those images using whatever technology we'll have and be able to see every possible detail. Every wrinkle, every imperfection. Looking back at images I took years ago with the technology I had back then (beginning of the digital age), I find myself wishing I could've captured more detailed images.

While I will be with these two family members 2/3 of my time there (they will be headed off to a cruise while I stay behind for an extra week), I'll be off shooting on my own for that extra week.

The majority (98%) of the images I always take are with a wide angle lens. 16mm is my favorite focal length followed by 24mm. If I take my Sony gear, I'll be using my Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 the majority of the time followed by my Tamron 28-200mm. The OM-5 would be my backup camera in case my Sony A7c dies on me. It would have 3 lenses;

1. Panasonic/Leica 9mm f1.7
2. Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8
3. OM System 45-150mm f4 Pro

The two biggest issues with this option are the different batteries between cameras and (if my Sony A7c dies at the beginning of the trip), I'd be stuck with a tiny sensored OM-5 which defeats the purpose of this trip; to capture the most detailed, largest files of my two elderly family members enjoying this once in a lifetime trip.

If I go with my Canon gear, I'd be taking my R6II and R7 which share the same battery. The R7 would have the Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 attached to it at all times, and it would be just the backup camera. The R6II would have my Canon RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM attatched to it most of the time. Unfortunately, wide angle lenses like my RF 16-28mm f2.8 are not ideal for portraits (wide angle distortion although minimized will not be a faithful depiction of human subjects), so I will need a longer lens. The Canon RF 24-240mm would fit this requirement as would the RF 70-200mm f4.0L. I'm not a fan of how much attention white lenses attract though. If I had the 24-240mm, I would definitely use it more for travel, while the 70-200mm f4.0L would be used more for local images.

My current option is to take my Canon EF 85mm f1.8 USM with EF/RF adapter.



Jul 16, 2025 at 10:50 AM
 


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snegron7 wrote:
Thank you for your detailed feedback! After reading several recommendations here regarding the Canon RF 24-240, I have been looking into it. My only struggle with going with that lens is its slower apertures, especially at the long end.


I'm a big fan of the 24-240 and have used it for travel for a couple of years now with a mix of other cheap primes, depending on the trip. I think the speed on a modern body is less of an issue than the past and the IS is outstanding paired with an IBIS body.

If you want Canon then add the RF28-70 f/2.8 to your list to look at.. I've had it a short time but been really happy with it and might be what you're looking for. To my old eyes, it's sharper and more contrasty than the 24-240 and has constant f/2.8. You obviously give up a lot of reach and that comes with missed images but might be the compromise you want.



Jul 16, 2025 at 02:05 PM
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snegron7 wrote:
Someday, maybe in a decade or more, I'd like to review those images using whatever technology we'll have and be able to see every possible detail. Every wrinkle, every imperfection. Looking back at images I took years ago with the technology I had back then (beginning of the digital age), I find myself wishing I could've captured more detailed images.



When you say you want every possible detail, are you talking about:

1. Resolution?
2. Sharpness?
3. Max Depth of Field?

One could perceive "every possible detail" in a high resolution image taken with a sharp lens at a large aperture with thin DOF, and then being able to zoom in and view the detail on the subject in focus. Or, one could perceive it as having everything in focus from your feet to infinity while shooting with small apertures to gain max DOF, which would be all of the above.

After reading comments in threads like these it becomes clear that some don't understand what effect aperture has on IQ as they gloss over the most important benefit of large apertures for those who shoot with them. I.e. when someone mentions they cannot tell a difference between the 24-240 and XXX" this tells me they don't understand the aperture's affect as there's a massive difference in subject isolation and bokeh between the two images. High ISO or IBIS might help you get an image in focus, but it's not going to get rid of the small aperture DOF. The images taken with a slow zoom can't compare to images taken with fast primes unless they are both taken at small apertures, which totally defeats the purpose of using fast glass for subject isolation.

So I think it's important to identify if one cares about bokeh and subject isolation as that could be the deciding factor in determining whether or not to shoot with a slow zoom for simplicity and convenience.



Jul 16, 2025 at 06:39 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
When you say you want every possible detail, are you talking about:

1. Resolution?
2. Sharpness?
3. Max Depth of Field?

One could perceive "every possible detail" in a high resolution image taken with a sharp lens at a large aperture with thin DOF, and then being able to zoom in and view the detail on the subject in focus. Or, one could perceive it as having everything in focus from your feet to infinity while shooting with small apertures to gain max DOF, which would be all of the above.

After reading comments in threads like these it becomes clear that some don't understand
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Not every image requires shallow DOF. I'd rather have an interesting shot at f/8 than a boring one at f/1.2 with an obliterated background. I love my 24-240 and it's probably my most useful lens overall. But I have faster lenses when I want or need it.



Jul 16, 2025 at 07:30 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
When you say you want every possible detail, are you talking about:

1. Resolution?
2. Sharpness?
3. Max Depth of Field?

One could perceive "every possible detail" in a high resolution image taken with a sharp lens at a large aperture with thin DOF, and then being able to zoom in and view the detail on the subject in focus. Or, one could perceive it as having everything in focus from your feet to infinity while shooting with small apertures to gain max DOF, which would be all of the above.

After reading comments in threads like these it becomes clear that some don't understand
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Until fairly recently, we weren't able to add what wasn't there to begin with (details like hair, accurate skin tones, sharp focus, etc).

I have images I took of some family members several year ago with my then "latest technology" camera, a 4 megapixel Sony DSC-S85. Skin tones are off, minute details are almost non-existent, etc. With the latest Photoshop version, I'm able to enhance some of these older images (something I wasn't able to do properly with technology back in 2001). I'm assuming that editing technology will be even better in the future, so having the best possible files to begin with now will make a difference.


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Jul 16, 2025 at 10:27 PM
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Mike_5D wrote:
Not every image requires shallow DOF. I'd rather have an interesting shot at f/8 than a boring one at f/1.2 with an obliterated background. I love my 24-240 and it's probably my most useful lens overall. But I have faster lenses when I want or need it.


No image requires shallow DOF, but I've never shot someone who doesn't prefer it. Just recently shot a family and I was telling them to get side by side on the same plane. When she asked why I told her because the way I'm shooting will focus on your family only and it will isolate you from the FG and BG. She proceeded to tell me she prefers "everything in focus" like some of you are stating here. So I said okay, I can do whatever you prefer and I closed down my aperture and took a few shots. Walked over to the family and asked if they were sure they wanted me to shoot this way. I pulled up the image on the LCD and scrolled back and forth between the same portrait taken at f/1.6 and f/6.3...very quickly, the whole family agreed the f/1.6 with bokeh looked way better and she apologized "okay yeah, your way looks much better just do your thing, sorry." Over 30 years of shooting this has been the response 100% of the time when someone compares a small aperture snapshot to a fast prime shot. Unless of course I'm intentionally trying to create DOF for something then obviously I can stop down but that's very very rare for my style of shooting.

A good photographer shooting with large apertures will play with focus distance to keep the scene plenty recognizable so you can tell where subject is at. You don't always have to completely obliterate the background at MFD, although most people really love that too.

Horses for courses. If I didn't care about aperture I'd happily own one or two slow zooms and that's all I would need. Simple, cheap, and lightweight. Maybe in my 90's someday when I forced to?



Jul 16, 2025 at 11:25 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
No image requires shallow DOF, but I've never shot someone who doesn't prefer it. Just recently shot a family and I was telling them to get side by side on the same plane. When she asked why I told her because the way I'm shooting will focus on your family only and it will isolate you from the FG and BG. She proceeded to tell me she prefers "everything in focus" like some of you are stating here. So I said okay, I can do whatever you prefer and I closed down my aperture and took a few shots. Walked
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To each his own. Your style works for your portrait work. However, I'm shooting a completely different genre; travel photography. Shallow depth of field is the exact opposite of what is the norm for travel photography. My objective is to capture images of my elderly family members WITH the background clearly discernable. How else will the images be clearly associated with the location?


p.s. I used to shoot weddings, first one in 1984. I used medium format equipment (Mamiya 645 and subsequently RB67), until transitioning to digital in the early 2000's. I was one of the pioneers of "photojournalist styly wedding photography" before it became mainstream thanks to my prior press experience obtained in the early 1980's. My experience covers 46 years so far. So, maybe I learned a thing or two during that time period! 😀 I no longer waste my sanity on wedding work or any paid photography work. I now shoot for my own enjoyment.



Jul 17, 2025 at 12:07 AM
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robstein wrote:
I'm a big fan of the 24-240 and have used it for travel for a couple of years now with a mix of other cheap primes, depending on the trip. I think the speed on a modern body is less of an issue than the past and the IS is outstanding paired with an IBIS body.

If you want Canon then add the RF28-70 f/2.8 to your list to look at.. I've had it a short time but been really happy with it and might be what you're looking for. To my old eyes, it's sharper and more contrasty than the
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I truly have been considering the options you've suggested! I'm starting to like the idea of the 24-240 over the other choices. I briefly owned the Canon RF 24-105mm f4.0L, and I ended up returning it because of how poorly it performed compared to my cheaper, plastic, STM primes. It had AF issues as well.

On my other system (Sony A7c), I purchased a Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 G2, and I never got used to that focal length range. That lens also showed an uncommon issue of vignetting at wider apertures. Maybe the Canon RF 28-75mm f2.8 might be better in this regard, but unfortunately the focal range is not my favorite.



Jul 17, 2025 at 12:34 AM
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Yeah it's all about what you hate least type optimisation . I went for the 24-240 over the RF24-105 and compared to my EF24-105, the 24-240 is sharper & cleaner. As you, I was just not impressed with the RF version.

Since getting the 28-70, for me it's been working out as...
- 24-240 when I go away for longer trips where flexibility is king or trips where photos are just a side thought. I often mix that with the 28 pancake or 16 cheap prime if I know wide stuff is likely - both of which can literally fit in a jacket pocket.
- 28-70 of an evening locally or where people photos are part of the reason for trip. I feel the range limitations as you mention but I often have other lenses in a bag anyway in these cases since it's not minimum stuff.
- Sometimes it's been whichever happened to be on the camera when I grabbed it

To be fair; I auto apply the lens corrections on the RAW's in lightroom and don't care about how each lens gets to the end result. There is lots of stuff in reviews on uncorrected stuff but I don't think that adds much value - others think that optical performance matters most, and that's cool.

To my eyes, while the 28-70 has better IQ, the 24-240 is more than acceptable. Then it's really just the classic faster vs more range and some minor stuff (weather sealing, constant f-stop etc)..



Jul 17, 2025 at 01:14 AM
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robstein wrote:
Yeah it's all about what you hate least type optimisation . I went for the 24-240 over the RF24-105 and compared to my EF24-105, the 24-240 is sharper & cleaner. As you, I was just not impressed with the RF version.

Since getting the 28-70, for me it's been working out as...
- 24-240 when I go away for longer trips where flexibility is king or trips where photos are just a side thought. I often mix that with the 28 pancake or 16 cheap prime if I know wide stuff is likely - both of which can literally fit in a
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This decision has been more difficult than I expected! I have been spoiled by the Tamron 28-200mm f2.8/5.6 on my A7c! It would be awesome if that lens would be available in RF mount, but that's probably never going to happen.

The more I think about it, the more dofficult it becomes to make a decision. While I'm not a fan of the 28-70 focal range, the RF 28-70mm f2.8 seems like a very decent compromise. Only drawback would be that I would probably find myself switching lenses constantly. I wish the RF 24-105mm f4.0L would have been made better; it would've solved my problem!



Jul 17, 2025 at 07:37 AM
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snegron7 wrote:
However, I'm shooting a completely different genre; travel photography. Shallow depth of field is the exact opposite of what is the norm for travel photography. My objective is to capture images of my elderly family members WITH the background clearly discernable. How else will the images be clearly associated with the location?


That's a very interesting take considering 90% of my photography is travel photography, all shot with large apertures. Even at f/1.2 you can make the BG plenty discernible all while not losing your subject in a cluttered background. With that said, it sounds like the 24-240 is the perfect lens for you.



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