p.2 #1 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
The design seems very direct. Like a very high quality version of an old Russian design in terms of aesthetics.
The price just seems to be like a typical custom rehousing range, the premium on this model is most likely to help with covering the new tooling cost (the Doosan long beds range from 150-250k).
p.2 #2 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
Yup and given I tend clumsy it will be a challenge to keep mine in good shape but I will try. Last mri didn't show anything so I guess it is a rational choice I'll post pics in some months when I get mine anxious to give it a try. It is e39 I like e39 lenses
RoamingScott wrote:
How anyone can watch the PP video where they show the exposed helicoid and STILL consider dropping $4000 on this needs an MRI on their noggin
Beautiful shelf glass, but Lord almighty, have some sense.
p.2 #3 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
bjhurley wrote:
Wow, I'm a Sonnar fan but those sample images don't seem like anything special to me.
The "Sonnar look"? Maybe a little in the rendering, but this lens actually produces quite low contrast at f/2. That's not too surprising when you consider that classic Sonnar designs, like the Bertele 50/2, often have gentle contrast wide open. It's not a bad look at all...just softer than the punchy contrast people often expect from later or modern Sonnar-style lenses.
p.2 #4 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
I'm very impressed with the recreation. It looks a lot like my (long ago sold) post-war CZJ Sonnar 5cm f/2 LTM lens in its draw. Of course, I didn't click with it when it was a $300 swap-meet find, so I don't think I'll sign up to pay more for the recreation.
My favorite Sonnar-design 50 has been the now discontinued 7Artisans 50/1.1. You still get the charming funk at wide apertures without the high price tag.
p.2 #6 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
nehemiahphoto wrote:
That price—ouch.
If it was 500, I would been slightly interested. The physical design with the exposed helicoid is nonsense to me.
The images look pleasant to me but nothing extraordinary.
Honestly, I personally prefer the look of the Leica 50/2 Rigid or the LLL 50/2 Elcan. They still give you that classic rendering, but with a bit more contrast on the subject.
That said, I totally get why so many people love the Bertele, it has its own unique charm. For my taste though, I'd pick the LLL 50/2 "Cooke", or even the MS Optics 57/2 Petz, over this one.
p.2 #7 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
I'll see in spring I have all the lenses you list from lll plus an original rigid and in a fit of lens greed and YouTube influencer from max at analogue insights I ordered one I am optimistic I will like with its image circle compared to all the lenses you list and I will give it my own use tests
The exposed helicoid does worry me a bit and if I worry too much it might be special use lens but again I need to have it to see. I remain optimistic I will really like it
Fred Miranda wrote:
Honestly, I personally prefer the look of the Leica 50/2 Rigid or the LLL 50/2 Elcan. They still give you that classic rendering, but with a bit more contrast on the subject.
That said, I totally get why so many people love the Bertele, it has its own unique charm. For my taste though, I'd pick the LLL 50/2 "Cooke", or even the MS Optics 57/2 Petz, over this one.
p.2 #8 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
Fred Miranda wrote:
The "Sonnar look"? Maybe a little in the rendering, but this lens actually produces quite low contrast at f/2. That's not too surprising when you consider that classic Sonnar designs, like the Bertele 50/2, often have gentle contrast wide open. It's not a bad look at all...just softer than the punchy contrast people often expect from later or modern Sonnar-style lenses.
True, but I can get that low-contrast look with my Zeiss C-Sonnar wide open as well. I think the major advantage of this new lens over the C-Sonnar is the lack of focus shift (which of course is a big issue with the C-Sonnar). My other Sonnar lenses have that look as well, especially the Nikkor 105/2.5 LTM, which was a Sonnar design and one of my favourite portrait lenses.
If I think of this new lens as essentially a C-Sonnar without the focus shift, the question is whether I'd be willing to pay so much to be able to get that look without focus shift or whether I should just spend more time learning how much I need to lean forward or back at the problematic apertures on my C-Sonnar (incuding wide open at 1.5). I think I'd choose the latter.
p.2 #9 · Skyllaney / Omnar "Bertele" 50/2 Sonnar lens with a floating lens block (FLB)
I found the large image circle that somewhat covers MF more compelling, all my other E39 lenses have serious fall off F2-F4
So I was thinking this might be my companion lens to the apo summicron for vintage render in a small package good open to 2. While I shoot a lot FL in the end I seem to bin in the Leica 50 group rather than the 35 group although I like my 35s like the new LLL. Anyways I am already in, I’ll get mine the Spring, and although I read and appreciate all the reviews in the end it is my specific use that will inform me if I am correct I will like what the lens offers me. I guess it will also be a rare bird in that it looks like they intend to do one more round of 50 in 26-7 and call it a day. Whether that means it will have a value in the future, who knows, I guess that too is a maybe…. whereas everything but Leica does not hold much value into the future except for truely vintage Voigtlanders etc some of which can ring the bell. As for focus I seem adaptable, for all the groaning about the elcan lens LLL and for its f stop ring it didnt bother me at all and I adapted very quickly and I really like the LLL elcan (I’d really like to try an original elcan but that isnt going to happen). So I expect I’ll adapt to the quirks of this lens quickly as well. My main concern is maintaining the exposed elements of the helicoid. I expect they will supply some suggestions but that one might be a challenge for me. Maybe there are FM first batch members and they will post their assessments for their own specific uses subjects, lighting, etc… one person’s dislike of ender will always be another’s like if not love it is all in your photographic style, and most if not all lenses have some solid strengths and weaknesses…… well except for my much loved apo summicron 50 that seems to never let me down.
bjhurley wrote:
True, but I can get that low-contrast look with my Zeiss C-Sonnar wide open as well. I think the major advantage of this new lens over the C-Sonnar is the lack of focus shift (which of course is a big issue with the C-Sonnar). My other Sonnar lenses have that look as well, especially the Nikkor 105/2.5 LTM, which was a Sonnar design and one of my favourite portrait lenses.
If I think of this new lens as essentially a C-Sonnar without the focus shift, the question is whether I'd be willing to pay so much to be able to get that look without focus shift or whether I should just spend more time learning how much I need to lean forward or back at the problematic apertures on my C-Sonnar (incuding wide open at 1.5). I think I'd choose the latter. ...Show more →
