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p.1 #1 · Sony or Fujifilm


Hey,
A while ago, I bought a Sony A7RIV with 2 lenses, a 2 Voigtlanders, a 35mm Lanther and 15mm.
I really wanted a challenging camera like a Leica M but it was way out of my price range. Then as I did some follow up research, I found that the Fujufilm might offer me more of what I was looking for, so I got an X-H2 and I'm finding that it's a lot more challenging then I ever imagined!!!
I think I can live with the challenge of the Fujifilm as I love challenges and I really love the idea of film reproduction.
The Sony is a superior camera and is more like what I'm used to shooting. I've been using Canon 5DSRs for years along with 6Ds so switching to an APSC sensor is disappointing, even though it's 40mp. I do like that like the Sony and the Fujifilm, like the 5DSR, there is no anti alias filter involved, at least that you can see.i had this filter removed in my 6D as well.
The reason I expanded to a new system is because my 5DSR is producing black photos now, not always, maybe 1 out of 10. Canon told me the shutter is beginning to fail and they no longer service that camera. They suggested I check out their mirrorless system, which is outragiously expensive!!!

So Sony and Fuji can be had for much less and Fuji is much more fun while Sony is much better.

The question is do I sell the Sony and the two lenses and use the funds to buy more Fujifilm lenses or alike? I only have one Fuji lens, the 18mm F/1.2 and it's a fantastic and sharp lens I got at KEH. I can see owning one telephoto lens and they are expensive, especially a good one. I hear that Sigma is coming out with a new ART lens for Fujii and that would be great as I really believe in Art lenses and I haven't seen one for Fuji's yet.

The best part of Fuji is that I bought a Fringer converter and it's fantastic! I can use ALL of my Canon lenses and I have a lot of 'L" lenses that work with them. The photos are just as good as they are on the Canon. I have a lot of Zeiss and Leica lenses for my Canon and they don't work as well on the Fuji, which is why I want to get one Fuji lens. Howvever, the Fringer makes beautiful photos. In comparison, I was in Florida right after I bought the Sony with a Metabones ($300+ lens converter) and the photos just weren't right. The photos were over-exposed and some were not sharp. With the Fringer,every photo is perfect as they are on the Canon.

Is this reasonable or should I hold on to the Sony as use that for more important things?
Thanks.
Bill



Jun 03, 2025 at 05:15 PM
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p.1 #2 · Sony or Fujifilm


I will never understand questions like this. You have both systems, you have experience with both now, and you have all the data you need to make a uniquely personal decision.

Generally speaking however, photography is much more fun if you don't hamstring yourself to one brand at a time.



Jun 03, 2025 at 05:44 PM
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I'd upgrade from the a7RIV to the a7RV and then add an R5 or R5 II to replace the 5DsR.
I used the 5DsR from the early shipment in June 2015 until 2021, but it is history now. I never had any shutter problems and it still works as far as I know.
I also used the a7RIV briefly, but it was not my favorite. I've used the a7RV quite a lot and it is much better in many ways, especially the AF and the memory cards. The 61MP Sony sensor is still the best in class for IQ. I'm not into the APS-C other than for extra reach with long teles that are out of range.
I don't have any Fuji and I don't capture images for fun, so I would not know about that part.
I have plenty of bad experiences with 3rd party lens adapters. They are usable sometimes, but not what I would rely on in any important situations. The OEM Canon and Nikon adapters used with their own brand lenses are more reliable since they are not reverse engineered.

I always suggest rentals if you are not sure about the lenses or cameras. Good luck.

EBH



Jun 03, 2025 at 08:47 PM
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p.1 #4 · Sony or Fujifilm


RoamingScott wrote:
Generally speaking however, photography is much more fun if you don't hamstring yourself to one brand at a time.


Does this maen you're starting Scott's Camera System Try-It-At-Home Service?



Jun 03, 2025 at 09:40 PM
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Bill, I’m not sbure I can “solve” your problem, but one option worth considering might be to simply replace your 5DsR with an inexpensive used copy of that camera. It is still a pretty viable camera for a lot of things, and it sounds like you have built up some experience with it. And it should work with all of those lenses you own.

As to the Fujifilm APS-C option, a cropped-sensor camera (even one with a 40MP sensor) is never going to give you the same technical results as a larger sensor camera, at least not if you are pushing boundaries such as print size… or staring too long at extremely high magnifications on the computer screen.

It can be extremely good and you can produce rather large prints and screen images with excellent quality… so much so that you might not notice a meaningful difference in actual practice… as opposed to analytical testing.

If you do stick with Fujifilm as your primary system, I’d lean towards letting go of the other option and acquiring a set of best Fujifilm lenses that cover what you need to cover. (I’d give the same advice if you go with a different brand/format, such as the Sony system you mention — get a system that does what you need todo with it.)

BTW, your story illustrates some of the perils of brand switching, doesn’t it? There are sometimes good reasons to do that, but the process can be complicated and sometimes full of surprises.

Good luck.

billsamuels wrote:
Hey,
A while ago, I bought a Sony A7RIV with 2 lenses, a 2 Voigtlanders, a 35mm Lanther and 15mm.
I really wanted a challenging camera like a Leica M but it was way out of my price range. Then as I did some follow up research, I found that the Fujufilm might offer me more of what I was looking for, so I got an X-H2 and I'm finding that it's a lot more challenging then I ever imagined!!!
I think I can live with the challenge of the Fujifilm as I love challenges and I really love the idea of
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billsamuels wrote:
Hey,
A while ago, I bought a Sony A7RIV with 2 lenses, a 2 Voigtlanders, a 35mm Lanther and 15mm.
I really wanted a challenging camera like a Leica M but it was way out of my price range. Then as I did some follow up research, I found that the Fujufilm might offer me more of what I was looking for, so I got an X-H2 and I'm finding that it's a lot more challenging then I ever imagined!!!
I think I can live with the challenge of the Fujifilm as I love challenges and I really love the idea of
...Show more but their own lenses are also crazy expensive.

The REAL reason this all started is because I wanted Voigtlander lenses for my Sony camera which was a lot like the Leica experience. I got the new Lather 35mm and the 15mm but the 15mm which also got good reviews was awful. It doesn't focus well past the dead center. Worse yet, I can't get anyone to FIX or replace it and now I'm not buying anymore lenses for this Sony. The Sony is fine. The Lanther is terrific. But I'm leary to get another lens until Voigtlander and or B&H helps me out. I can't fix it myself and the lens has a 3 year warranty but no one is honoring it.
So this is more bittering my attitude about dealing with the whole purchase. I know it's not Sony's fault, but their own lenses are very expensive.



Jun 06, 2025 at 10:39 PM
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p.1 #7 · Sony or Fujifilm


I think you just need to spend a lot more money. Seriously though, there is nothing really disappointing about smaller formats, many of us find them perfectly fine and, even, more fun to use. Why do you actually need larger formats and very high resolution, what are you doing with your images that requires this?

One duff VC lens and you want to shed the whole system? Wait until you have a bad Sony or Fuji, what then?



Jun 07, 2025 at 09:19 AM
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Robin Smith wrote:
I think you just need to spend a lot more money.

One duff VC lens and you want to shed the whole system? Wait until you have a bad Sony or Fuji, what then?


That's almost funny!

I did have a bad lens "for Sony," it was the Voigtlander . I've never had a bad Canon, Zeiss, Leica, Tamron,and a few others, most of them I bought refurbished or used.
I bought this lens "new" because Voigtlander just came out with it. I thought I was safe because it came with a 3 year warranty. I thought it was a good lens because Voigtlander is the oldest lens and camera company.
NONE of this has worked out! I haven't sold the Sony yet and I'm not sure if I will afterall because it's a great FF camera and the Fujifilm only has an APS-C sensor. However, the Fuji offers a lot of fun options that no other camera offers.

I have thousands and thousands of boxes of Fuji slides taken with all kinds of Fujifilm so i have a long relationship with Fujifilm. My point is that no story is as simple as it seems.



Jun 09, 2025 at 07:09 AM
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As you know VC is not connected with Sony in any way other than they make lenses for them just like they do for Leica, Nikon, and Canon. Everyone can be unlucky and get a duff lens. Also, of course they are old in name only since they are owned by Cosina/Kyocera who make lenses for all sorts including past and present Yashica, Contax, and Zeiss. I have heard that good service care is lacking for VC lenses, but this is not Sony’s fault.

What are the fun options that Fuji has that no one else has? Are you talking about film simulations?



Jun 09, 2025 at 09:54 AM
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p.1 #10 · Sony or Fujifilm


Robin Smith wrote:
As you know VC is not connected with Sony in any way other than they make lenses for them just like they do for Leica, Nikon, and Canon. Everyone can be unlucky and get a duff lens. Also, of course they are old in name only since they are owned by Cosina/Kyocera who make lenses for all sorts including past and present Yashica, Contax, and Zeiss. I have heard that good service care is lacking for VC lenses, but this is not Sony’s fault.

I'm aware of this. As I mentioned, I thought them being the oldest camera and
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Yes, there are unlimited recipes, their own buit in Fuiji films, and then you can fool around yourself and create your own film recipe!




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billsamuels wrote:
Yes, there are unlimited recipes, their own buit in Fuiji films, and then you can fool around yourself and create your own film recipe!



You know you can create these magical recipes for other camera brands.



Jun 09, 2025 at 06:01 PM
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This is a tough one that I have struggled with and given up on.
Sony or Fuji. How about both?

Maybe my experience can shed some light or confuse you even more.
I moved from Canon 5D series with a lot of EFL lenses and all the Milvus lenses to Sony.

I had the Canon 16-35 2.8 III, 24-70 2.8 II, 70-200 2.8II, 85 1.2 II, 50 1.2. In addition I had the Milvus 15mm 2.8 , 25mm 1.4 , 35mm 1.4, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.4 and the 135 mm 2.0.

I loved the lenses but shed the 5d mark III bodies. I used the canon and zeiss lenses with the adapters both metabones as well as sigma.

I also had the Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM (loved) and the 50mm 1.5 ZM with the voightlander VME adapters.

I used these for 3 years and then gave up on them as I started mixing video into my photography. AF was unreliable with the metabones and Sigma adapters for video.

Sony started making really fantastic lenses like the 12-24 2.8, 24 mm 1.4, 35 mm 1.4, 50mm 1.2 etc. all of which I own including the 16-35 2.8 II, 24-70 2.8 II and the 70-200 2.8 II. These lenses matched my Canon/Zeiss lenses optically and easily best them.

Being native lenses, there were no issues in all modes with my Sony cameras. Regretfully I miss my Canon 85mm 1.2II, 16-35 2.8 III and my Zeiss 35mm 1.4 ZM. These were the ones I should have kept for the rendering (85mm, Zeiss 35mm ZM) and colors and contrast (Zeiss 35mm ZM). The canon 16-35 2.8 III is sharper than the Sony counterpart but has terrible flare issues.

So, from my experience, I would suggest that if you are serious about Sony, just move to their native lenses without using adapted lenses. The Sony 35mm 1.4 GM is simply spectacular. The Sony 24-70 2.8 II GM is absolutely superb.

I also have the Sony A9III. This is easily the best camera I have used. I would ignore the complaints about its resolution or base ISO. Those are people who are talking based on reading the specifications and have not actually used it. The images and response of the camera in any situation is quite spectacular.

In fact other manufacturers lenses like the Tamron 35-150 2-2.8 can take advantage of its speed with a firmware update. I know, because I have this combination. Sony seemed to have allowed them to do that.

I have taken Sony cameras and lenses both domestically and internationally and they have never failed.

Now about Fujifilm: I have both the X/GFX systems. I love the camera designs as well as the film simulations. Using Fujifilm cameras reminds me of using my old film cameras.

I love the images from them. In fact I recommend Fujifilm over Sony for my kids for the creative aspect.
Fujifilm’s simulations make straight out of camera JPEG/HEIF images easy to use. I don’t have to spend time behind a computer getting it right. Considering how much I travel, this is a bonus.

I normally wouldn’t use 2 camera systems but the X-H2S, GFX100RF and the GFX100SII are phenomenal. The rendering of Fujifilm lenses for both systems are something special.
I used the X-H1 during covid times and I got some spectacular images of my trapped college age kids and dogs.

This year and the next, I plan to carry my Fujifilm equipment to see how they will stand up to the pressure that I put Canon DSLRs and Sony mirrorless through.

So, unfortunately I use both Sony and Fujifilm.



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p.1 #13 · Sony or Fujifilm


chez wrote:
You know you can create these magical recipes for other camera brands.


I was fooling around and trying to create a close recipe to Kodachrome 64 (last edition). What's been published just doesn't seem to work that well, but when I was done, it was fantastic and I've been using it ever since. I'll have to post some results. Now my goal is to create my all-time favorite film, kodachrome 25. There hasn't been a film, real or e-based, that produces the intense beautiful colors you get with Kodachrome 25. I have hundreds of slide boxes from those days.




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Lifeinpictures wrote:
This is a tough one that I have struggled with and given up on.
Sony or Fuji. How about both?

I normally wouldn’t use 2 camera systems but the X-H2S, GFX100RF and the GFX100SII are phenomenal. The rendering of Fujifilm lenses for both systems are something special.
I used the X-H1 during covid times and I got some spectacular images of my trapped college age kids and dogs.

This year and the next, I plan to carry my Fujifilm equipment to see how they will stand up to the pressure that I put Canon DSLRs and Sony mirrorless through.

So, unfortunately I use both
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That's what I think I'll be doing in the future, which was the reason I bought the lightly used 40 MP FF Sony and almost new Fujifilm X-H2. I have 2 5DSR bodies and while they're aging, they should last a few more years, but when they finally retire themselves, I have a great Sony and a Fuji H2 that easily takes Canon EF "L" lenses w/o any problems with the Fringer FX-Pro III lens converter. I also have several Zeiss lenses, the same models that are used on the Sony, but for the Canon. I think they will easily work on the Sony with a lens converter and I have a couple of them. Since they're manual focus lenses, they just have to deal with exposure. I also have some older Zeiss and Leica lenses which would solve that problem as well.

Eventually, I may get a light weight point & shoot Leica when I don't want to carry a lot of lenses around. But that's a few years away! Thanks for the great thoughts. -Bill



Jun 11, 2025 at 03:09 AM
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p.1 #15 · Sony or Fujifilm


If you have the money, time, space and patient spouse to own multiple systems, why not enjoy it?

As I pointed out in another thread, since I adopted the less-is-more approach to photography I'm generally happier. As we all know, there is no perfect camera or system, just pick your poison and stick to it. I don't know what type of photography you do, personally I much rather own and invest in a full-frame system. I don't need medium format for my photography. Personally I value top-of-the-line AF speed and accuracy, but you state you prefer the challenge, so that might not be your cup of tea. The reason to own Sony - in my opinion - is the AF technology, the lens ecosystem and all the custom buttons. Others make more cameras that are more "fun" to use, more comfortable to operate and frankly better looking. If I didn't value any of those three Sony advantages highly, I wouldn't keep shooting Sony.

If you have a EF mount glass (or adapters), why not get a nice minty Canon R5?

But yes, to your original question, if Fujifilm is where the fun is for you, then I'd sell the rest of it.



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billsamuels wrote:
but their own lenses are also crazy expensive.

The REAL reason this all started is because I wanted Voigtlander lenses for my Sony camera which was a lot like the Leica experience. I got the new Lather 35mm and the 15mm but the 15mm which also got good reviews was awful. It doesn't focus well past the dead center. Worse yet, I can't get anyone to FIX or replace it and now I'm not buying anymore lenses for this Sony. The Sony is fine. The Lanther is terrific. But I'm leary to get another lens until Voigtlander and or
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Sounds like you had a bad copy of the VC 15, it was well known you had to play the lottery to get a good copy. I bought my copy from Fred. I had a lot of PM requests to buy it from me after I bought it from Fred.. I can say I am 100% happy with both systems. Only negative I can comment on is Canon not having a Internal Zoom Tele like Sony 200-600 & Nikon 180-600 have. Canon R5 as a Landscape camera produces very nice files, as does Sony A7rIII

Can't speak to Fugi, as I never owned one

Sony A7rIII - VC15 III


Canon R5 - EF 24-105 used the Canon RF adapter


Good luck with whatever system you settle on.

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p.1 #17 · Sony or Fujifilm


I can relate to your gear quandary Bill. I think it's something most of us go through at some point (or many) in our photography lives. I can't possibly recommend any of the above, even though I've owned and used most camera systems (Olympus managed to elude me) because what worked and didn't for me is going to be very different for you in terms of ergonomics, functions and performance.

Sorry I can't contribute more other than I totally understand your reason for this post!

Greg



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It's an interesting question. Like you for a personal camera I came from Canon in the DSLR world though I went to Sony with the first A7r. Although I've used the A7rII professionally and currently have A7rIII and IV's in the studio, they lost the fun factor of that original A7r. Currently looking at the recently announced Fuji XE-5. Yes it's very expensive but it appeals in a way that other cameras do not. I've used the original X100 and loved the concept but not the 35mm equivelant lens. This fixes the problem with plenty megapixels to allow for noise reduction on downsize to something sensible for personal use like 24 megapixels, so the APC sensor bothers me less. IBIS is icing on the cake.


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p.1 #19 · Sony or Fujifilm


It really comes down to which one supports your work/interest vs any kind of look. If you are going to be editing your photos pretty much any camera can be made to 'look' like any other. People forget a huge part of the final character of photos was worked in the darkroom after the shots were taken! Which has the workflow you like, including support for lenses, ergonomics, intuitive menus, and support for your edit? You will have your answer. They both have the ability to make great photos, but the biggest factor will always be being in the right place at the right time and pressing the shutter


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I'm in a similar situation . I have the 50s ii. I have a Fuji lens,manual lenses,canon lenses. I Just returned my Viltrox adapter and I'm not sure if it's the adapter or if the sigma 24-35mm I bought was junk and the seller lied to me.

I love the 50s ii but the autofocus on it is horrible. I brought it along for my sisters wedding in Jamaica and 1/3 of the shots are out of focus, missed shots due to the slow autofocus,etc. I ran into a guy that brought his sony a6700 and he let me use it for a couple of shots and it was like living in the future compared to the Fuji.

I'm debating right now on wether to sell my 50s II, the biggest reason to keep it is due to how excellent the colors are and when you nail a shot on the 50sii it's just incredible. I always see the "you can't tell between a 50s ii and a full frame" which is true for a lot of the shots, but when you get those shots where the depth of field shows the 50s ii depth of field I just fall in love with it. I've never seen a full frame yet where I've been fooled into thinking "oh yeah that's a 50s ii/medium format camera!".

But if I didn't have the 50s/100s from Fuji I would easily go all Sony. Fuji has the advantage with better color science but Sony is better at just about everything else.



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