According to NR, Nikon is poised to release a Sony FX3 like camera. I suspect it'll be nothing more than a Z6 III in a cinema style body (hopefully without the flickering) like the FX3 for accessories/attachments/cages etc. Thoughts?
The question is "does RED have a prosumer sensor". They aren't putting a global shutter sensor in an FX3 competitor. I have no idea what the answer is there.
RoamingScott wrote:
The question is "does RED have a prosumer sensor". They aren't putting a global shutter sensor in an FX3 competitor. I have no idea what the answer is there.
Other questions are the power consumption of that sensor, what amount of cooling it needs,...
Odds are that that sensor isn't compatible with a body the size of the FX3.
Rumor has it that the FX3 II is “supposed” to get the A9 III global shutter. Idk, seems unlikely.
RoamingScott wrote:
The question is "does RED have a prosumer sensor". They aren't putting a global shutter sensor in an FX3 competitor. I have no idea what the answer is there.
PixiPhotography wrote:
Rumor has it that the FX3 II is “supposed” to get the A9 III global shutter. Idk, seems unlikely.
The A9III sensor has a base ISO of 2000 for log video. So, in order to shoot in bright daylight with 1/25 s frame rate and 1/50 s shutter speed, you'd need six stops of ND filtering just to shoot between f/8 and f/11; if you want to shoot at f/2, about 11 stops of ND. I somehow doubt that's going to work very well for a lot of people. Of course, you can overexpose the image a bit but still, the standard dynamic range base ISO is still 250 vs. the Z8/Z9's ISO 64. Although I have ND filters, I'd much rather not have to deal with them when I can avoid it. A small video camera really (for me) loses some of its charm when you have to rig it up with a filter holder etc.
Global shutter for sure would be great for a lot of applications, fast action; no need for a mechanical shutter, and on the stills side, for flash photography on location, but some of those advantages are made dimmer by the base ISO of the A9III.
I also don't think the Raptor X's global shutter sensor would be used in a compact format video camera from Nikon, just looking at the price of the Raptor X. :-) However, perhaps Nikon can adopt some of that technology to their mirrorless cameras in the near to mid term future, and have some competitive advantage.
RoamingScott wrote:
It was inevitable. It also makes the Fujifilm Eterna cam look all the dumber.
Fuji says they will have open gate (3:4 aspect ratio) 4K on the Eterna cinema camera, that would make it the tallest sensor in a video camera available today. Arri 265 is 54.12 mm x 25.58 mm, Fuji's MF sensor is 44 mm x 33 mm.
I've heard from cinema-focused people that the Fuji GFX 100 II's video image is very beautiful, and this motivated Fuji to make Eterna using the same sensor (for cost reasons, but also because people like the image).
The RED Z-mount models don't have built-in ND filters, maybe the flange distance is too short? ND filters can be used with a RED Z to PL mount adapter when using PL mount cinema lenses. It's not yet known whether the Eterna will have built-in ND filters. I think this will be a significant practical factor. Having SDI connectors that lock securely is something that I regret not present in mirrorless cameras as USB and HDMI cables can be accidentally disconnected easily. Images of the Eterna show also Genlock, so it would be suitable for a multi-camera live production. Fuji is also a well-known maker of cinema and TV lenses.
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Fuji says they will have open gate (3:4 aspect ratio) 4K on the Eterna cinema camera, that would make it the tallest sensor in a video camera available today. Arri 265 is 54.12 mm x 25.58 mm, Fuji's MF sensor is 44 mm x 33 mm.
I've heard from cinema-focused people that the Fuji GFX 100 II's video image is very beautiful, and this motivated Fuji to make Eterna using the same sensor (for cost reasons, but also because people like the image).
Yes... but the rolling shutter is so bad that you cannot move the camera at all. IMHO unusable for anything but interviews on a tripod. And anyways, I far prefer having access to video raw in camera with the Z6III, Z8 and Z9 and of course the Red bodies for those needed more pro oriented connections.
If you factor in the much brighter Z mount lenses, I fail to see why anyone would want to shoot with a GF cine camera vs a Red Kokomo X.
bernardl wrote:
Yes... but the rolling shutter is so bad that you cannot move the camera at all. IMHO unusable for anything but interviews on a tripod. And anyways, I far prefer having access to video raw in camera with the Z6III, Z8 and Z9 and of course the Red bodies for those needed more pro oriented connections.
If you factor in the much brighter Z mount lenses, I fail to see why anyone would want to shoot with a GF cine camera vs a Red Kokomo X.
Cheers,
Bernard
In full frame width oversampled 4K, GFX100 II has a rolling shutter of 26.5 ms (cined). By comparison, the Z6 (which should be similar to the Z6II and Zf) have been reported to be 22 ms. The Z6III has faster readout (9.5 ms; dpreview) but even after firmware update it still has some flickering. The Z8/Z9 are at 14.5 ms. FX3 is 8.7 ms. While the Fuji is slow, I've used Z6II and Zf for video in moderate action situations (samba carnival, concert, train etc.) and noticed no ill effects. A lot of video is of talking heads, for which the Fuji should be fine, and if the rolling shutter is a priority, the Fuji can be shot in a faster (15 ms) mode although some of its advantages over smaller-format cameras are then lost.
bernardl wrote:
Hilarious, Canon rulours caught again spreading misinformation… imminent release in Marchi… still nothing on the horizon 6 months later.
It was even worst with the R6III. Said to be a few days from announcement last Sept. Exactly one year ago.
I now suspect it’s run by Canon themselves to attempt to prevent people from running out of patience and leave the brand. Pathetic.
Cheers,
Bernard
Well, I guess we'll see tonight or tomorrow morning when its supposed to be announced. I totally agree with the R6 III rumors, as CanonRumors once again is reporting the R6 III is also supposed to be announced "imminently". Maybe they'll announce them together..
I wrote in another thread elsewhere on the same topic that the FX3 is not a terrible video camera, just far from great. LCD is too small and too dim, IBIS is mediocre, AF is inconsistent, and the menus maddening… but the video output is quite nice.
Nikon should be able to deliver a slam dunk with some easy improvements over the FX3… unless the SD/micro SD rumor is true. Why deliver a better FX3 style camera and then handicap it with SD?!?! A single CFE B slot would be better than dual SD. C’mon Nikon, don’t let that rumor be true!
I don't get the issue with media cards. Video cameras have been notoriously lax in their attitude toward recording medium and we shouldn't be needlessly bringing our stills anxieties into the conversation.
We need a camera that does USBC out to record to external SSDs. It should also record raw (and other formats) over HDMI.
And if necessary it should have some internal storage
