Now that we have 40 megapixels on the X-H2 and X-T5 who else would love to see the X-Pan (65x24) crop on these cameras like Fuji offers on the GFX line? I would think this could be done with firmware update. Just looking to see if anyone else would like to see this.
Me personally, I prefer to crop after the fact. And a lot of the time I prefer a slightly taller 23:9 or even 22:9 aspect ratio. (65:24 is very close to 24:9…) So it’s not something I’d use, but respect others might prefer having it. Regardless, I suspect it’s an easy add via firmware.
I love using the Xpan crop on my XT5, applying it in post. I would like to see it applied to the VF and Jpeg, leaving the Raw alone would be my preference. While I see no downside of adding it to the list of ratios, I'll admit that on my Gfx, I rarely go into the menu, change it to 65:24, take the shot, then change back. I even set it up in the Quick Menu but still not in the habit of changing it. But at least to some degree, that is because its not a setting on the X and I shoot probably 70/30 X vs. Gfx.
I'd like to see 65:24 added as a possible aspect ratio in any of the X-series cameras. I mentioned it once to the guys who run the Fujifilm "Tech Talk" series and was basically laughed out of the room. They went on to mention that, in their opinion, it wouldn't leave enough megapixels to be useable. I countered that they should let the photographer decide what may or may not be enough. I got the impression that they feel that they know better than us as to what we want or need.
I would like Fujifilm to allow us to select the aspect ratios we want to use from a list in the camera and to allow us to enter custom aspect ratios. For example, on the GFX series of cameras, I doubt I'll ever use 4:5, 6:7, or 1:1. I'd like to have the option of disabling those aspect ratios.
Edit to add: Fujifilm, if you happen to stumble upon this thread, please update your cameras so that we don't have to shoot raw+jpeg to use the crop modes. We should be able to use the crop modes regardless of the file format.
Like Capture One does, you set up the crop you want and give it a name, then its in the pull down list. Their comment about reducing resolution is pretty dumb when you consider it applies the crop to top and bottom but doesn't change the pixel density in what's left. Its probably more work for them since the menu systems are so similar. They probably have to remove it for the X menu.
SGinNorcal wrote:
Like Capture One does, you set up the crop you want and give it a name, then its in the pull down list. Their comment about reducing resolution is pretty dumb when you consider it applies the crop to top and bottom but doesn't change the pixel density in what's left. Its probably more work for them since the menu systems are so similar. They probably have to remove it for the X menu.
I have custom crops set up in Lightroom, but I also enjoy seeing the desired aspect ratio in-camera as it allows me to better study the relationships between compositional elements in the scene. I can always "un-crop" or adjust the crop in post if needed.
The 4x6 grid mentioned above is always on in my VF and lcd. With it, I can easily compose a pano using the 3:1 aspect of the center two rows and fudging from there a little taller. While it’s not perfect it definitely gets me close enough for tweaking in post. It also easily allows my next most used crop, and thats the 4x4 “square” crop in the center…
Jack Flesher wrote:
The 4x6 grid mentioned above is always on in my VF and lcd.
I'm going to try this for a bit and see whether it helps. I like the 24x65 framing in the GFX models, but I almost always want to shift it up a bit for vertical lines, so being able to see the whole frame along with the grid lines should be good.
Adam Schallau wrote:
I'd like to see 65:24 added as a possible aspect ratio in any of the X-series cameras. I mentioned it once to the guys who run the Fujifilm "Tech Talk" series and was basically laughed out of the room. They went on to mention that, in their opinion, it wouldn't leave enough megapixels to be useable.
Their logic seems laughable. Most often you would tend to make this very wide pianos no wider than the larger set print you could make using the full image area — you just reduce the vertical dimension. And you can make a pretty wide print from these cameras’ files!
I think that having ways to to pre-visualize potential crops is useful, at least for the most common aspect ratios. I use this on one of my systems that is 3:2 since my preferred default is 4:3, and that system lets me constrain the LCD display to 4:3 and a few other options. (The camera sill captures the full 3:2 aspect ratio, but it also retains the info about the alternative for use in post.)
A tricky thing though is trying to accommodate too many aspect ratio crops. I don’t use 65:24, but I do like 16:9. Others will obviously like 3:2, 4:3, and 1:1. Some like 2:1. There are also things like using the FF frame area on miniMF. No doubt there are others. At some point, trying to design an interface that accommodates all of these, much less switching quickly among them, becomes problematic.
For my purposes when shooting landscape subjects, I’ve found it useful to carry a small framing card or two. I can quickly check out compositions within my favorite aspect ratio without even setting up the camera. But when I do set it up, after previsualizing with the framing card I know that my 4:3 aspect ratio image will be inside the 3:2 ratio file I capture… even if I didn’t have the viewfinder show that crop.
gdanmitchell wrote:
A tricky thing though is trying to accommodate too many aspect ratio crops. I don’t use 65:24, but I do like 16:9. Others will obviously like 3:2, 4:3, and 1:1. Some like 2:1. There are also things like using the FF frame area on miniMF. No doubt there are others. At some point, trying to design an interface that accommodates all of these, much less switching quickly among them, becomes problematic.
I agree, and this is why I proposed that the manufacturers allow us to select the aspect ratios we want to use from a list in the camera and/or allow us to enter custom aspect ratios. Doing so would allow us to minimize the clutter in the UI.
I would like 65x24 to be available. I do use the 24 grid line trick, but I think I am probably better at framing by cropping in post than out in the field.
I don't get all this. How can you select a certain aspect ratio before the image is even made? What would be the purpose? The only way I can function is to capture full frame and then crop as needed in post to create the image I visualize. I may often predict the general nature of the crop I'll use later, while composing, but I'd never commit to it on site. Cropping is your most powerful compositional tool. I don't take it lightly or let it restrict my creativity.
Jeffrey wrote:
I don't get all this. How can you select a certain aspect ratio before the image is even made? What would be the purpose? The only way I can function is to capture full frame and then crop as needed in post to create the image I visualize. I may often predict the general nature of the crop I'll use later, while composing, but I'd never commit to it on site. Cropping is your most powerful compositional tool. I don't take it lightly or let it restrict my creativity.
Realizing your vision BEFORE starting is much more powerful than throwing excrement against the wall and seeing what sticks in post. Not to say a nice, unexpected crop can't happen in post, of course, they can and do often.
What you propose would be like an oil painting artist to paint a large, oversized canvas to completion first and then cut it down afterwards. No one does that, and for good reason. Over-reliance on post cropping isn't just lazy, it's artistically bankrupt.
Hassy has the best implementation of this, where you can still see outside the crop ratio in case something of interest is there. Wish they all did that.
RoamingScott wrote:
Realizing your vision BEFORE starting is much more powerful than throwing excrement against the wall and seeing what sticks in post. Not to say a nice, unexpected crop can't happen in post, of course, they can and do often.
What you propose would be like an oil painting artist to paint a large, oversized canvas to completion first and then cut it down afterwards. No one does that, and for good reason. Over-reliance on post cropping isn't just lazy, it's artistically bankrupt.
Hassy has the best implementation of this, where you can still see outside the crop ratio in case something of interest is there. Wish they all did that. ...Show more →
I've formally studied photography for decades and never seen such a narrow minded approach as the things you are saying. Of course I have my vision beforehand. You just didn't read my post. Throw shit on the wall and see what sticks? WTF?? You are out there on your own private photography planet.
RoamingScott wrote:
Realizing your vision BEFORE starting is much more powerful than throwing excrement against the wall and seeing what sticks in post. Not to say a nice, unexpected crop can't happen in post, of course, they can and do often.
What you propose would be like an oil painting artist to paint a large, oversized canvas to completion first and then cut it down afterwards. No one does that, and for good reason. Over-reliance on post cropping isn't just lazy, it's artistically bankrupt.
Hassy has the best implementation of this, where you can still see outside the crop ratio in case something of interest is there. Wish they all did that. ...Show more →
I've formally studied photography for decades and never seen such a narrow minded approach as the things you are saying. Of course I have my vision beforehand. You just didn't read my post. Throw shit on the wall and see what sticks? WTF?? You are out there on your own private photography planet.
RoamingScott wrote:
Realizing your vision BEFORE starting is much more powerful than throwing excrement against the wall and seeing what sticks in post. Not to say a nice, unexpected crop can't happen in post, of course, they can and do often.
What you propose would be like an oil painting artist to paint a large, oversized canvas to completion first and then cut it down afterwards. No one does that, and for good reason. Over-reliance on post cropping isn't just lazy, it's artistically bankrupt.
Hassy has the best implementation of this, where you can still see outside the crop ratio in case something of interest is there. Wish they all did that. ...Show more →
I've formally studied photography for decades and never seen such a narrow minded approach as the things you are saying. Of course I have my vision beforehand. You just didn't read my post. Throw shit on the wall and see what sticks? WTF?? You are out there on your own private photography planet.
I've formally studied photography for decades and never seen such a narrow minded approach as the things you are saying. Of course I have my vision beforehand. You just didn't read my post. Throw shit on the wall and see what sticks? WTF??
"Over-reliance on post cropping isn't just lazy, it's artistically bankrupt". Really? Every professional and accomplished photographer I've ever known or studied with does that. You are out there on your own private photography planet.
