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Archive 2024 · Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM Z Lens

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM Z Lens


My lens came in yesterday. Weather not so good but I did some test shots with Kenzie of course . So far very impressed. I used the 2x with it and really like it. I did not try out the 1.4x yet. In my opinion Canon's RF 2.8mm lenses work so good with that 2x.

Kenzie 70-200mm Z by A & R Photography, on Flickr

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Kenzie (70-200mm Z @ 400mm) by A & R Photography, on Flickr



Dec 29, 2024 at 11:28 AM
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RobAmy wrote:
My lens came in yesterday. Weather not so good but I did some test shots with Kenzie of course . So far very impressed. I used the 2x with it and really like it. I did not try out the 1.4x yet. In my opinion Canon's RF 2.8mm lenses work so good with that 2x.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54234142173_4223e34b07_h.jpgKenzie 70-200mm Z by A & R Photography, on Flickr

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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54234106353_844a3b6981_h.jpgKenzie (70-200mm Z @ 400mm) by A & R Photography, on Flickr


Did you own the prior? I can’t find a really good reason to upgrade it other than you can use it with a teleconverter. Which I don’t think I really care about. Thoughts?




Dec 29, 2024 at 12:27 PM
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Those are nice images Rob, especially considering it’s with a 2x. Canon sure seems to have the secret sauce down with the 2.8 lenses and 2 x TC. That’s got to be awful nice small light package for 400 compared to the 100-300 + 1.4 TC I would bet. Looks like you talked me into another one.

Dave



Dec 29, 2024 at 12:34 PM
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p.1 #4 · Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM Z Lens


RustyRus wrote:
Did you own the prior? I can’t find a really good reason to upgrade it other than you can use it with a teleconverter. Which I don’t think I really care about. Thoughts?



I did own it and it is a really a nice piece. Personally I never liked extending barrels. So for me the internal zoom and extender use was my main reasons to pick this up. I actually sold the other 70-200mm when I bought the 100-300. Now with the extenders gives me a nice small 70-400mm package. This is also a little longer than the original if that is a concern. I do not think image quality alone would be worth it.




Dec 29, 2024 at 04:21 PM
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p.1 #5 · Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM Z Lens


I sold my 70-200 2.8 for the Z version. I find the Z to be much sharper; as sharp as the 24-105 2.8 — which is razor sharp. That short throw from 70 to 200 feels great, quick and smooth.

Edited on Dec 30, 2024 at 11:39 PM · View previous versions



Dec 29, 2024 at 06:43 PM
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RobAmy wrote:
I did own it and it is a really a nice piece. Personally I never liked extending barrels. So for me the internal zoom and extender use was my main reasons to pick this up. I actually sold the other 70-200mm when I bought the 100-300. Now with the extenders gives me a nice small 70-400mm package. This is also a little longer than the original if that is a concern. I do not think image quality alone would be worth it.



Thanks- I love the IQ of the current RF I own and honestly can’t even fathom it being any better. I am sure it is but this lens performs so darn good.

I would love a black copy but the size difference alone would probably make me not swap. That an probably not getting anywhere near what its worth right now

Great photos!



Dec 29, 2024 at 08:03 PM
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Hi Rob,

I've had mine for a month now and I love it more every time I shoot with it. I sold my RF70-200/2.8 and bought the "Z" model because the 24-105 impressed me so much. You will love it!



Dec 29, 2024 at 08:20 PM
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The girls by A & R Photography, on Flickr


Dec 30, 2024 at 09:44 AM
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RobAmy wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54236065393_1ea5686284_h.jpgThe girls by A & R Photography, on Flickr


Love your "children" Rob!!!!!
They warm my heart on a cold winter's day!

Give them a Happy New Year pet for me please!
Dan




Dec 30, 2024 at 10:38 AM
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Still not great weather yesterday but I played around again with the 2x. This is a beast of a lens. This is going to make a great 140-400mm when needed. Detail is much better on Flickr for those interested.

Nuthatch 70-200mm Z @ 400mm by A & R Photography, on Flickr

Downy 70-200mm Z @ 400mm by A & R Photography, on Flickr

Kenzie 70-200mm Z + 2x by A & R Photography, on Flickr

In the fog with my toy by A & R Photography, on Flickr



Dec 31, 2024 at 05:52 AM
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Pups and their toys!!! Gotta love them!!!!
Dan



Dec 31, 2024 at 09:44 AM
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p.1 #12 · Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM Z Lens


This lens presents an interesting proposition for my youth hockey photography. For the past ~10 years I have shot tournaments with the 200-400 on full frame (1DX, 1DXII, and now R6II).

I have had the chance to use a loaner 100-300 for a few tournaments and it brings faster and more precise AF in these low-light environments (ISO 6400 1/500 f/2.8 on average), but I do miss 400mm. That said, I could put the 1.4x on the 100-300 and restore that reach with the equivalent f/4 of the 200-400. Shooting at ISO 12800 is not a problem. The 100-300 is also a bit smaller and noticeably lighter, which helps after ~10 hours and maybe 30+ games per day (shooting only about one period of each game, on average). But instead of using the 1.4x, I've used the bare 100-300 on the R6II in APS-C crop mode with an effective 160-480mm range, which I really like a lot. It's only 9MP resolution, but more than enough for on-site printing 8x10" at the largest. It's also beneficial because the smaller files put less burden on the network supplying the workstations and uploading to the online viewing system.

So that's got me thinking, would it make sense to radically 'downsize' to the 70-200/2.8Z with 1.4x AND shoot APS-C crop? APS-C crop would mean 280mm = 448mm, which obviously is very close to the bare 100-300. It is a stop slower, but I think the files can handle it. In APS-C crop you do see the grain/noise a bit more than a similar composition on FF, but the final output via dye sublimation printing blurs the fine noise, so I don't think it's a significant concern.

One of the things I don't like about the 100-300 is that it has a long zoom throw similar to the 200-400 and a similar 'heavy' zoom ring feel with noticeable resistance (takes some effort to turn). What I really liked about the 24-105/2.8Z was how fast/short and light the zoom throw was. It was very easy to quickly rack from one end to the other with minimal effort, yet it didn't feel sloppy or loose. My understanding from the comments here and elsewhere is that the 70-200Z is the same/similar.

In EF I never really liked the results with the TCs on the 70-200s and never entertained this as an option. The 70-200 Z appears to totally reset performance expectations with the TCs.

So what to do?

- R6II and 200-400 works 'good enough' and is the cheapest solution because I already have them and they're paid for. But having tried the 100-300 and experience with my other RF lenses, I know that technically better options are available.

- R6II and 100-300 either with 1.4x TC or in APS-C crop mode brings noticeably faster focus acquisition at typical tournament light levels and it holds focus on subjects noticeably more consistently. It's a ~ US$ 10-10.5K upgrade minus whatever I can get for the 200-400. That said, I still feel the 100-300 is too short for field sports, which I also do, but on FF... (where is the 200-500/4?? ).

- R6II (APS-C crop), 70-200 Z and 1.4x TC = US$ 3,500... And keep the 200-400 for field sports, for now.

Other options:

- R6II could be upgraded to R5II for greater ~17MP APS-C 'reach.' It, the 70-200 Z and 1.4x combined are still less than the 100-300 alone.
- R7 would seem to be a logical alternative simply for ~32MP APS-C that could be oversampled/downscaled (shot in JPEG-M 15MP or JPEG-S1 8MP), but lack of vertical grip is a major deal breaker (most of the photos are single player verticals). Past experience with the R7 covering sports also didn't inspire a lot of confidence, but I could try it again. I would love to see an updated R7II with faster sensor (or stacked) and UI design closer to the R5/R6 body style, including vertical grip option...

I think the 70-200 Z is something I will have to test to really know, but given how well the Z appears to handle TCs based on comments here, I'm guessing the 1.4x on a 24MP density sensor will not stress it... It's also a better fit with my existing system and provides better video options, should I need them.

So the ultimate question regarding the 70-200 Z is: black or white?

I like the idea of black, though the white 1.4x breaks the harmony of the combo...




Dec 31, 2024 at 06:01 PM
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So the ultimate question regarding the 70-200 Z is: black or white?

I like the idea of black, though the white 1.4x breaks the harmony of the combo...


Just get a black lenscoat cover for the RF 1.4x extender and harmony is restored.



Dec 31, 2024 at 06:29 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
So the ultimate question regarding the 70-200 Z is: black or white?



I went white because it looks just like the 24-105 Z except for the hood. Makes it a bit easier to tell one from the other. Besides I have white lenses already so it did not really matter to me.



Jan 01, 2025 at 06:49 AM
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Curious Nuthatch by A & R Photography, on Flickr


Jan 01, 2025 at 07:02 AM
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So the ultimate question regarding the 70-200 Z is: black or white?

I like the idea of black, though the white 1.4x breaks the harmony of the combo...

jaredmizanin wrote:
Just get a black lenscoat cover for the RF 1.4x extender and harmony is restored.


Good to know! That would be a better longterm solution than gaffer's tape.

Rather than the neoprene type lens covers, is there a stick-on skin option for the RF extenders available from anyone? I have not looked into this before but it would seem to be a better solution for me than neoprene. A brief search pulled up Maple Skins, but they don't have anything for the extenders...

rscheffler wrote:
So the ultimate question regarding the 70-200 Z is: black or white?

RobAmy wrote:
I went white because it looks just like the 24-105 Z except for the hood. Makes it a bit easier to tell one from the other. Besides I have white lenses already so it did not really matter to me.


Yeah, I agree that is a good reason (because they look the same). I think for me, because I also do a lot of social events, that a black lens is a bit less eye-catching. Black also reminds me of my first Canon EF L lens, the 80-200/2.8. The rib design of the Z lens focusing ring also seems like a bit of a throwback to that EF lens era compared to more recent EF designs.



Jan 01, 2025 at 11:33 AM
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Great shots here. I agree, that Canon does have some magic poured into anything touching 200mm.


Jan 01, 2025 at 04:00 PM
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p.1 #18 · Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM Z Lens


Yes, I have the vinyl skins from Alphaguard on my extenders. Great quality and fit perfectly. Plus pretty easy to install on the extenders.

I just ordered one from Maicomo for my 70-200/2.8Z, we will see how they compare but I expect them to be equal.



Jan 01, 2025 at 11:51 PM
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Had some light today, another with the 2x. I am impressed.

Jumping Kenzie 70-200mm Z + 2x by A & R Photography, on Flickr



Jan 02, 2025 at 03:47 PM
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Jumping logs by A & R Photography, on Flickr


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