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Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review

  
 
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p.25 #1 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


@Steve Spencer and @Fred Miranda

Bastian’s testing indicates the Thyooch 75/1.4 does perform significantly worse on a Sony versus Leica sensor stack. Just an FYI.

Which again raises the issues of if/how much Thypoch is adjusting their lenses for the mount the lens is being released in.



Apr 28, 2025 at 10:17 AM
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p.25 #2 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


nehemiahphoto wrote:
@Steve Spencer@ and @Fred Miranda@

Bastian’s testing indicates the Thyooch 75/1.4 does perform significantly worse on a Sony versus Leica sensor stack. Just an FYI.

Which again raises the issues of if/how much Thypoch is adjusting their lenses for the mount the lens is being released in.


I noticed that in Bastian's review as well.

I wish we knew if Thypoch was going to make anything other than cine and M mount versions of the 50 and 75. I haven't decided for sure, but I will probably modify the sensor of my A7r V this Fall, however. So I will probably just get the M mount versions.



Apr 28, 2025 at 09:18 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
I noticed that in Bastian's review as well.

I wish we knew if Thypoch was going to make anything other than cine and M mount versions of the 50 and 75. I haven't decided for sure, but I will probably modify the sensor of my A7r V this Fall, however. So I will probably just get the M mount versions.


I think you’ll be quite happy with that choice Steve.



Apr 28, 2025 at 09:55 PM
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p.25 #4 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


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Apr 29, 2025 at 11:13 PM
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p.25 #5 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


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Back to the 50mm f/1.4 lens, I was wondering what would be the take of it versus the Zeiss C-Sonnar 50/1.5. Would those complement each other well?

After reading through another thread comparing all the 50mm Lux'es (thanks @lifeandmylens@) I really wanted to get a 50 Lux ASPH. Then I found this thread, and got me hooked. I still want the Lux, but I can't really justify the price difference compared to this Simera lens (although I did have the Simera 28mm and was not impressed at all, on Sony cameras. I sold it the very same day my M240-P arrived
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Just a quick (off topic) follow-up: I have bought, in the end, a Summilux ASPH lens about one week ago and I can say, after a few hudreads shots, that I like it very much. Yes, the focusing ring sticky-ness is there, the aperture ring is less firm than I would have liked (I think the most satisfying aperture ring I found is the one of the Simera 28mm), it is a bit long in size (physically), but I still think is a very nice lens. And when I saw one for 2.2k, it didn't take me a second thought.
Very sharp, especially when closed a bit, very good contrast and impressive color saturation. I was really shocked by the color saturation I got with this lens on my M-P camera.
After a quick comparison against my Sonnar-C at 1-3m distance and wide open, I can't see that much of a difference, save for a slightly softer background (more blur) for the Summilux.
All in all, very happy with my purchase. Still pondering to try a Voigtlander APO alongside those two....



May 06, 2025 at 09:13 AM
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p.25 #6 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


Congrats on the Summilux!

I once tested it side by side with the Nokton 50mm 1.5 II M.C. and honestly, I could barely spot any meaningful differences. The Summilux is slightly sharper in the center wide open, but the Nokton delivers smoother bokeh and doesn’t have that flare obsession the Summilux is known for. But hey, tastes thankfully differ! For me, the difference wasn’t significant enough. And then the Nokton 40mm 1.2 showed up… and, well, that was that! 🤣



May 06, 2025 at 10:28 AM
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p.25 #7 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


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May 06, 2025 at 04:48 PM
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p.25 #8 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


philip_pj wrote:
couple more from the S50/1.4:


Philip - the first image of the beautiful woman is outstanding. Perfect capture with a great lens.



May 06, 2025 at 08:44 PM
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p.25 #9 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


I hope we soon see an E-mount version (and Z) of the 50mm Simera. It's subtle but it's a little different in some ways compared to the 28/1.4, which will also do well in the wider market over time. The 50mm feels to have better build, more Leica-esque, dense material.

But I'd like to know where the 28mm's optical signature comes from, I can't find any lens block diagram in the Leica M lenses. It's pretty complex for a 'modern vintage' lens - 11 elements in 7 groups, the design rests on HRI glass. But this 50mm one really centers the range. Successful MF lenses need to offer something special over the AF lenses, for a lot of new entrants to get their interest piqued. A 300 gram E-mount 50/1.4 would be quite popular. It's pretty easy to get along with.

(I don't think we would see many complaints if they were to add an 18/1.4 and a 100/1.4 - to round off the range.)







May 07, 2025 at 01:23 AM
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p.25 #10 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


The 21mm 1.4 Simera has already been showcased, but there’s still no official release date.

Additionally, a 90mm and 135mm could be conceivable since both are typical M focal lengths (and the corresponding rangefinder frames can be displayed). However, I’m a bit skeptical about a 90mm 1.4 fitting into the Simera lineup, and even less so for a 135mm (who could reliably focus that with a rangefinder?). A 2.0 or 2.8 would seem more realistic, but that would make the lineup feel somewhat inconsistent.

But a 100mm 1.4 would be something special… In general, I think Thypoch shouldn’t feel limited to typical M lens concepts.



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I was told 'this month' for the stills 21/1.4 (M-mount) by our distributor. They will walk their own path, not that chosen by Leica, and their lenses to date show just how differently they present images, compared to the Summilux equivalents; or indeed the fast CV lenses at each Simera focal length.

The range format emerging in the light cine world features a 50-75-100mm array, we see it in the Zeiss Nanos and the Arles range of Thypoch parent DZO. So it makes good sense and seems most likely to complete the Simera-C and stills ranges with the 100mm.

I don't think we have much in the way of current issue fine portrait lenses in 'RF styling' (let's say), so it makes business sense to produce a 100/1.4. So the 100mm could spin off the 75mm, and would be a sensation at the expected weight of 425-450 grams in stills form. It would need the 16 blade aperture.

'who could reliably focus that with a rangefinder?'

In the near future, because of short MFDs and f1.4 focusing needs, most will be using EVFs and EVF cameras for such lenses, in M form or the commercial brand mounts that DZO/Thypoch has set out to serve as well, or on S cameras. The M world is therefore a stepping off point, not a set of 'must abide' lens dimension specs. It's a transitional state.

Why no Simera 50/1.4 in E/Z/RF/X mounts? I hope they are not playing silly buggers here, keeping it for exclusive use by M users.

I'm looking at getting the Simera-C version of the 21/1.4 in E-mount if they don't make it in the stills version pretty quickly. I can live with the 210 throw and would just need a thin hood setup and 67mm filters. The 21mm produces amazing bokeh from its 16 blades, so you can dial in near open aperture usage. Even if they manage to get it down to 400g in the M version, Sony users need to add ~35 grams or so to fit a Sony, making the weight difference much less: 491g-435g, not so much, not bad at all. 21mm is pivotal to what I do.



May 07, 2025 at 05:44 PM
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The 21mm 1.4 Simera will surely be on par with the other Simera lenses. I also think it will come close to the Voigtländer 21mm 1.4 Nokton. But will it be better? The Nokton is truly outstanding in its optical performance: sharp, with beautiful bokeh and gorgeous color rendering. Of course, it also inherited the typical strong vignetting that Voigtländer lenses are known for.


May 08, 2025 at 01:34 AM
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I can't deal in better or worse anymore, all the good lenses have their special look to the images. To offset the excellent points for the CV 21/1.4, I don't like the deep strong contrast, which makes it unsuitable for the night images I enjoy.

People use it primarily (and seemingly exclusively) for non-people imagery, most treat it purely as a landscape lens. It is also highly dependent on leading lines, front-back separation to induce a degree of dimensionality, which is otherwise almost entirely lacking. Focus fade is very fast. Color is bold rather than elegant.

The Simera range are cine-oriented people optics. This is what they excel at, because of the cine heritage bestowed by parent company DZOFilm. While the 21mm Simera will share the same MFD as the CV lens, you will notice very few closeups shot with the CV 21/1.4. Near-camera objects are often added to lead the eye into the images, rather than be an integral element of the shot. If you can find it, bokeh is also high contrast and a little globby, and it abstracts quickly. I'm not sure how the CV lens treats skin, it's very hard to find any near-camera people images shot with it.

I have faith in most decent photographers to quickly find out what their new lenses are best at, so I take notice of this kind of thing. The Sims do the exact opposite, they transition very smoothly and leave plenty of context in the (very fine) bokeh field, front and back. So they suit a very different kind of photographer, allowing that there is plenty of use case overlaps in these two.

Luckily we have plenty of footage shot with the Simera 21/1.4 (as the 21/T1.5) from which to see its strong family traits. Being an unusual photographer, I certainly notice these things.

(And the C version looks to be out, it has the markings on the side of the lens as mounted, cine style.)



May 08, 2025 at 10:31 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
I can't deal in better or worse anymore, all the good lenses have their special look to the images. To offset the excellent points for the CV 21/1.4, I don't like the deep strong contrast, which makes it unsuitable for the night images I enjoy.

People use it primarily (and seemingly exclusively) for non-people imagery, most treat it purely as a landscape lens. It is also highly dependent on leading lines, front-back separation to induce a degree of dimensionality, which is otherwise almost entirely lacking. Focus fade is very fast. Color is bold rather than elegant.

The Simera range are cine-oriented
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Philip - I’ll be very interested if you end up getting the 21/T1.5 simera c version. You’ve inspired me to see how my CV 21/1.4 does on people. I’ll have to convince some family to let me photograph them with that lens.



May 09, 2025 at 12:37 AM
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philip_pj wrote:
I can't deal in better or worse anymore, all the good lenses have their special look to the images. To offset the excellent points for the CV 21/1.4, I don't like the deep strong contrast, which makes it unsuitable for the night images I enjoy.

People use it primarily (and seemingly exclusively) for non-people imagery, most treat it purely as a landscape lens. It is also highly dependent on leading lines, front-back separation to induce a degree of dimensionality, which is otherwise almost entirely lacking. Focus fade is very fast. Color is bold rather than elegant.

The Simera range are cine-oriented
...Show more

This is not my experience of my CV 21 f/1.4 at all. I find the lens great for people shots (and use it for that a lot), I like the bokeh a lot and find the focus fade to be quite nice. I also like the moderately but not ultra high contrast. I like it for all the things you don't in this post.
I agree the Simeras have a different look, but I think both looks have their place. The CVs in general have higher contrast, but I like that for a lot of my shots. Some of the CV Noktons, (the 28 f/1.5, 35 f/1.2, 40 f/1.2, and 50 f/1.2) have fairly weak control of axial CA, and purple fringing, and lose some performance to spherical aberrations at close distances as they lack a floating element design. Interestingly, the 21 Nokton does not share these weaknesses. It has very nice control of axial CA and purple fringing, and has a floating element and has wonderful performance at close distances (I use if for that a lot too).
The CV 21 f/1.4 is one of my favorite lenses. There isn't much I don' t like about it at all. Yeah, it is a little bigger than ideal, but I am happy to trade that for the all around wonderful performance I see with the lens.
In my view, the Simera 21 f/1.4 has a lot tougher competition from CV than the Simera 50 f/1.4 does. I like the 50 f/1.2 Nokton (it is my third favorite Nokton just behind the 75 f/1.5) but I like th 21 f/1.4 a lot more, so although I will very likely get the Simera 50 f/1.4 and keep it alongside my CV 50 f/1.2, I am a lot less interested in the Simera 21 f/1.4. Said another way, I value the Simera 50 f/1.4 over the CV 50 f/1.2 for the Simera's better control of purple fringing, better close up performance, and better off center performance at close distances. I will be quite surprised if the Simera 21 f/1.4 has better performance than the CV 21 f/1.4 in any of these aspects. The CV 21 f/1.4 is very good in all these respects making it in my shooting a lot more useful for a wide array of different shots.



May 09, 2025 at 06:04 AM
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p.25 #16 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


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I saw a few people say they might sale their 50 summicron because of this lens, did anyone go through with it? I had to sale my Leica kit a little over a year ago but I'm ready to get back into the M game and I'm curious as someone who could not afford a lux if they would take this over something like a 50 summicron v4


May 12, 2025 at 04:29 PM
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shotbytherobot wrote:
I saw a few people say they might sale their 50 summicron because of this lens, did anyone go through with it? I had to sale my Leica kit a little over a year ago but I'm ready to get back into the M game and I'm curious as someone who could not afford a lux if they would take this over something like a 50 summicron v4


I think the Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH is closer in size and characteristics such as resolution, contrast, rendering, and maximum aperture to the Leica 50mm f/1.4 Lux ASPH than to the Summicron ASPH.



May 20, 2025 at 02:34 PM
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shotbytherobot wrote:
I saw a few people say they might sale their 50 summicron because of this lens, did anyone go through with it? I had to sale my Leica kit a little over a year ago but I'm ready to get back into the M game and I'm curious as someone who could not afford a lux if they would take this over something like a 50 summicron v4


As a replacement for a Summicron, take a look at the Voigtländer 50mm 2.2 Color-Skopar or the 3.5 Apo-Lanthar. Both are very compact and offer excellent image quality.

Alternatively, the 2.0 lenses from Thypoch or Light Lens Lab are worth considering—especially if you’re looking for something with a bit more vintage character.



May 20, 2025 at 03:06 PM
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p.25 #20 · Thypoch Simera 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Review


The Simera 50/1.4 does present as a good alternative to the Summicrons for certain tastes, being very light at 280 grams and a tidy size as well, plus the extra full stop. But that might be an outsider's view, I understand. Mine is very solid at distance too, it's a solid all rounder. Here is a low light image to show its street cred, I am particularly impressed by low light color performance and ease/speed of focus.







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