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So I'm going on a hike to bottom of the Grand Canyon in about 3 weeks. I'm still using a D30 with my kit of three lenses. Sigma 15-30, Canon 28-135is, and a Canon 80-200 2.8L.

I'm thinking of getting a 20D. And vacations are always excuses to at least think about buying new equipment...

So I figured, while looking a new camera, to think about what I needed to carry to take pictures in the Canyon. I need to carry all of this with water, and clothes, but not sleeping equipment, food. I'm staying at the lodge at the bottom

I use the 28-135 most of the time on my camera for pictures, but recently used my 15-30 for a large number of shots. I like the wide angle, but wish that it went tighter(perhaps more similar to a 28-70 in full frame land ). So I've been thinking of switching a 17-40 F4, or a Sigma 18-50 f2.8.

I also was looking at getting a 70-200 F4 for use on the trip to save the extra weight over my 80-200 2.8.

So my question is mostly has anyone down the hike down into the grand canyon? Should I even brind the 80-200 down with me, and save the 3 pounds? Or should I just bench press an extra 30 minutes a day for the next 3 weeks?

Any suggestions on wides, 18-50? 17-40? I'ld like the 16-35, but don't plan on spending that amount of money. Should I "rent" a 70-200 f4 via buying used, and selling it after the hike?

And any suggestions for hikes from the bottom of the canyon also appreciated. I haven't been to the grand canyon in over 10 years. So all of this will be new again for me. I hope to get some good pictures.



Feb 22, 2005 at 03:06 AM
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Hmmm you asked a LOT of questions there!

I think your current line up is good however I would add a low light prime in the mix such as a 50/1.8. The 70-200/4 is a wonderful lens however, you've got a darn good lens in that focal length.

I personally think that the investment in a new 20D body instead of a bunch of extra glass would do well for you. You've already got pretty good glass but the 3MP might be a little low for the landscape type photos you will take.

As for carrying the equipment, I personally love my LowePro 650AW with waistbelt. The waistbelt helps lighten the load quite a bit and sometimes when I hike I use the waistbelt with Lowepro Lens cases and a Toploader 75.

One thing that I would recommend is that you buy a nice carbon fiber tripod and/or monopod. Also get your equipment WELL in advance and play with it and put it through the paces as you don't want to get there and have to learn quickly.




Feb 22, 2005 at 03:12 AM
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For bags, I'm currently going to be using a Mountainsmith 2900 daypack pack. At 3 pounds, it's lighter and sits on my body a lot better then the heavier camera oriented packs. I'll slap the body in a neoprene case, and the lenses in either lowepro cases, or some more neoprene wraps. All this will end up in the bag. I may strap a lowepro off-trail 2 to the daypack and just do it that way also.

As for the Tripod, I have a Gitzo 2220, but I don't use it nearly enough to justify the weight of it, plus a head. I haven't gotten into the habit of shooting things with a tripod. And adding ~8 pounds to my pack to barely use it seems unlikely to me, until I get used to using a tripod. However, I should try to pick up some "tabletop" style tripod if I can.

I am worried about trying to do too many new things on the trip, so a 20D may be the only thing I change. This will be a large change over my D30 now, so I need to get used to it.

Another question, do I bring the 550ex?



Feb 22, 2005 at 03:33 AM
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Matt,

I've been struggling with a lightweight kit for a trip. I'm still working on it, but I like the sounds of the 18-50 2.8 and the 70-200 f4.

I have to laugh at the suggestion to bring a lowepro 650 on a hiking trip. That's a big bag.

I just went on a trip and shot with a tokina 24-200 exclusively. If you have alot of light and can work within its limitations, I really like it. What I'm finding is that IS would be very nice in lieu of a tripod. I want to play around with a 17-85 before I make a decision. Maybe pair up a 70-200 f4 with that.



Feb 22, 2005 at 09:43 AM
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Ok I would recomend not using the 70-200 f4 as the available light in the bottom of the canyon is not very good (except at mid-day). also the same goes for the 17-40 f4.

I would second the recomendation for the primes like the 50 f1.8, 24 f2.8, and 35 f2. these primes would give you some great shots. with similar quality of the L zooms. the 50 f1.8 is a little tight (focal length wise) on the 20D but is super lightweight and small (and cheap at $70).

as for the flash if you think you will be taking some artistic pictures of rock formations in the sunset or sun rise, or if you think you will take pictures of people (buddies etc.) than the flash will be needed for fill light.

I would at the least pick up a cheap $50 plastic tripod to carry. this would weigh very little and will still work a lot better than handholding. also you should have a remote shutter release.

hope this helps..




Feb 22, 2005 at 10:18 AM
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Matt Drown wrote:
So I figured, while looking a new camera, to think about what I needed to carry to take pictures in the Canyon. I need to carry all of this with water, and clothes, but not sleeping equipment, food. I'm staying at the lodge at the bottom .


Be sure you have a very comfortable pack. I don't know of any photo backpacks that can come close to a nice external fram pack in terms of comfort and space/weight capacity. But sounds like you have that taken care of.

Matt Drown wrote:
I use the 28-135 most of the time on my camera for pictures, but recently used my 15-30 for a large number of shots. I like the wide angle, but wish that it went tighter(perhaps more similar to a 28-70 in full frame land ). So I've been thinking of switching a 17-40 F4, or a Sigma 18-50 f2.8.


I like the 17-40L and am not a fan of the 15-30 (flare). Make the trade.

With regard to the 80-200...get the 70-200. Its a great lense and the light weight will be key going back UP the canyon.

What I would bring:
any DSLR: teh 20D or 350D would be good upgrades those
17-40
28-135 (but you probably will use wider/longer lenses)
70-200f4
TRIPOD. seriously. The best photos in the canyon are sunrise and sunset. You can't get the best shots without a tripod. I'd leave all but one lens behind and carry my tripod if thats what it took. I have a Velbon Chaser EFL. Small, light and yet sturdy enough for landscape with a slr. Around $80, $50 for a good heac and you have a nice hiking tripod.

Remote release and anglefinder are also good to have.




Feb 22, 2005 at 10:31 AM
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Thanks for the 2 pounds (with a head) tripod recomendation. That's a lot lighter than my current Gitzo 2220 w/o a head at 4.9 pounds. I'll have to see if I can get myself to use my current tripod over the next couple of weeks for some sunset pictures here. I just found a "pentax" friend of mine uses the EFL-4 for his hiking trips.

I have a 50 1.8 and can take that. My fear is that it will be too tight, so maybe the only lens I'll look for is WA prime of some sort. Sigma 20 1.8?

Thanks for the info on the light at the bottom. That helps weigh (pun intended) in on the 80-200 for use at the bottom. I'll have to look at the higher iso performance on the 20D.

Anyone else go down into the canyon and have recomendations?



Feb 22, 2005 at 01:38 PM
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Matt Drown wrote:
Thanks for the info on the light at the bottom. That helps weigh (pun intended) in on the 80-200 for use at the bottom. I'll have to look at the higher iso performance on the 20D.

Anyone else go down into the canyon and have recomendations?


If you are shooting nature/landscape you are going to want lots of DOF and sharp images. That means shooting around f8 or higher. I love my 2.8 for landscape and nature, but I rarely use it at 2.8 (aside from shots where I want the background thrown out of focus). So keep that in mind.


Of course at the end of the day its only weight. Since you get to leave the tent, food, cookwear in the car that frees up a lot of weight to carry more camera gear. While you probably won't need 2.8 very often, its there. And you don't need to go out and buy a new lens only to sell it in a few weeks.



Feb 22, 2005 at 02:25 PM
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I'm planning for a trip to Grand Canyon, Vagas, and Sedona and I was able to pack the following gears in my Lowporo Mini Trekker.

EOS 3 with 300/4L IS attached
70-200/4L with hood reversed
17-40/4L with hood stored separately in one of the inner bags
28-70/2.8L wtih hood reverseds
1.4XII
550EX in the outer bag
Canon cable release (80TN??)

Nikon FM2N with 50/1.8AI attached
Arca-Swiss B-1
Gitzo G1228 II attached outside
B+W 77mm MRC Polarizer

30 rolls of films - mainly color slides (Velvia, Provia, Sensia, Scala 200, Kodakchrome), some color prints (NPS, Reala) and B&W (Ilford FP4+, Pan F, HP5 Plus, Agfapan 100, Koda Tri-X).

Fully loaded backpack and Heavy!

May consider to drop the 28-70/2.8L to save some weight.





Feb 22, 2005 at 02:28 PM
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Matt Drown wrote:
So I'm going on a hike to bottom of the Grand Canyon in about 3 weeks. I'm still using a D30 with my kit of three lenses. Sigma 15-30, Canon 28-135is, and a Canon 80-200 2.8L.

I'm thinking of getting a 20D. And vacations are always excuses to at least think about buying new equipment...

So I figured, while looking a new camera, to think about what I needed to carry to take pictures in the Canyon. I need to carry all of this with water, and clothes, but not sleeping equipment, food. I'm staying at the lodge at the
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If it were me, I would get
- the 20D (or the 350D if you consider it an option: very light weight).
- a wide zoom (if I owned it the 15-30 would do for me; but I personnaly prefered to buy the 17-40). This would be the primary lens.
- the 80-200, which I may leave at the lodge if the weight turns out to be a big problem.
- a light tripod if I can carry it (I bought a Manfrotto 718 HB => 1.25 lbs) or at least an ultrapod (kind of table-tripod for digicams). I was impressed with some pictures with my 10D on it Just put it on a boulder, use the delayed timer and MLU and you will be blown up with a wide zoom or light prime.

In case there is still room for something, then I would still pick the D30 and a 50f/1.4 or the to-come sigma 30f/1.4 for low light.

Xavier



Feb 22, 2005 at 02:36 PM
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Tom Buerk wrote:
Matt,

I've been struggling with a lightweight kit for a trip. I'm still working on it, but I like the sounds of the 18-50 2.8 and the 70-200 f4.

I have to laugh at the suggestion to bring a lowepro 650 on a hiking trip. That's a big bag.

I just went on a trip and shot with a tokina 24-200 exclusively. If you have alot of light and can work within its limitations, I really like it. What I'm finding is that IS would be very nice in lieu of a tripod. I want to play around with a
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You're right the 650AW is a big bag but with a waistbelt it's not any heavier than a backpack with the same equipment. I have hiked with it and it was not a problem. I never have been a fan of backpack style bags as they are pretty difficult to pull your camera out easily and/or change lenses on the fly. I don't like the fact that the bag has to touch the ground when you take it off to open it up.



Feb 22, 2005 at 02:39 PM
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I was just down at the Grand Canyon over Christmas/New Years and here are some of my thoughts. I don't know how fit you are and your experience hiking, so take my advice with a little grain of salt (I hike pretty regularily and have been on a couple mountaineering trips).

1) If you can fit it in and are in good enough shape, hike the Havasupai reservation. It's not as well known, but the waterfalls there are gorgeous. It's NOTHING like the Grand Canyon National Park. However, the hike down is not very fun or especially scenic, though they do have helo transportation available.

2) In case you don't remember, the S. Kaibab and Bright Angel Trails, marked steep, are really quite nicely kept up and VERY easy (IMO). They have very different views; the S. Kaibab is a mostly exposed trail with more visibility. No water, though. The Bright Angel Trail only really looked down the side canyon it was on. However, you could see all the way down to the side canyon the Phantom Ranch is in. I liked the views from the S. Kaibab better.

There is one somewhat steep section on the S. Kaibab (I went down that way), but the Bright Angel trail was easy, though long (I went up that way), so I wouldn't worry too much about weight. Normally, when hiking/climbing, I try to pack light. However, the Phantom Ranch makes things quite a bit easier, and I'd feel comfortable taking all the gear you have listed w/o any second thoughts. I wouldn't spend any money to save weight with the exception of your tripod - at 8# it seems rather heavy.

3) The trails are quite narrow in places (maybe a 1/2). It's hard to take off your pack and dig around for things, much less set up a tripod. If the weather is nice, expect a good number of people and mule trains to keep you on your toes. If you have an extra day or two at the Ranch to do some dayhiking, you'll have more time and flexibility than if you are only taking photos on one the way down and up like I was.

When I'm hiking with a pack, I like to carry my camera and most used lens in a small bag on my chest strapped to my backpack shoulder straps. Below the chest strap. Occasionally I keep an extra lens, like a telephoto, on the top of the pack in a padded case. This allows easy access w/o digging when I have a wide on the camera. I had a 10-22 on camera in the small bag on my chest. The 10-22 is alot smaller (and the main reason I upgraded from a 10D), than my next most wide brick, er, lens, the 28-70L.

4) I didn't spend much time in Grand Canyon National Park, but I did head north of the Phantom Ranch for a couple of miles after we hiked down. Not too exciting, imo. I don't know what it's like as you get nearer the North Rim. The suspension bridges on the Colorado were a treat.

5) You will definitely want a tripod. The light at the bottom of the canyon is not that good for very long.

Patrick



Feb 22, 2005 at 04:06 PM
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I don't plan on bringing a dedicated camera backpack. It's a 7 mile hike down into the canyon on switch backs, and a 9 mile one back up. I hike down one day, the 2nd day I hike around in the canyon, and the third back up. So I need to haul down extra clothes, and a few things like water, snacks, sandals. I'm trying to figure out how to take the waist belt on the backpack I have and attache the lowepro lense cases to it. This will allow me to carry the camera and lenses without too much difficulty.

D30, grip, two batteries, 15-30, 28-135, 80-200, 550ex an I'm at 145oz (9 pounds). If I add a tripod (~3 pounds), I'm pushing 12 pounds before I add clothes and water.

I'll add the 50 1.8 for some wide open shots, and see about getting a wide angle prime in the 20-30 range (i've been meaning to get something in this range for awhile). The 15-30 -> 17-40 conversion I may do if I can find a good deal on one. I was thinking the 17-85IS as an option also, but it appears to have gotten quite a few bad reviews. Perhaps the 18-55 kit lens will go instead.

Thanks for the suggestions. I promise I'll post some pictures when I get back.





Feb 22, 2005 at 04:10 PM
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Patrik, thanks for the review of trails and what not. I was looking at mounting my off trail2 onto my pack somehow, and on the front may make sense. The 10-22 on the 20D sounds nice, but i need to figure out if I'm willing to spend the $800 on that lens.

I've got a day down at phantom ranch, so will be doing some hikes around there then. I'll try to figure out what trail we are going down (I didn't make the original plans).

I need to make my plane ticket, and order a 20d in the next couple of days.



Feb 22, 2005 at 04:19 PM
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I think the 70-300DO is a great lens for travel. Gives you more reach and it's not too big. Just a thought.


Feb 22, 2005 at 04:36 PM
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Matt Drown wrote:
Patrik, thanks for the review of trails and what not. I was looking at mounting my off trail2 onto my pack somehow, and on the front may make sense. The 10-22 on the 20D sounds nice, but i need to figure out if I'm willing to spend the $800 on that lens.

I've got a day down at phantom ranch, so will be doing some hikes around there then. I'll try to figure out what trail we are going down (I didn't make the original plans).

I need to make my plane ticket, and order a 20d in the next couple
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Just to make sure...you do have a reservation at the phantom ranch, right? Those fill up FAST.

For flying...I fly into Las Vegas (cheap) and rent a car. 4 hour drive to the south rim and again...things are cheap in LV. I found jet blue is the cheapest, then southwest. Try www.mobissimo.com for all other carriers.

Enjoy! Its a great place and a great time of year to go.



Feb 22, 2005 at 04:48 PM
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I didn't read anyone else's posts.

The 70-200 won't do you a whole lot of good. I never used anything above 50mm, and changing lenses will absolutely get your camera filled with dust and crap. Even the time you use to clean your sensor will just get more dust inside. I used my 15mm fish and 17-40 all the way down, and a 50mm here and there for some plants and butterflies. I could have easily left the 17-40 on the entire trip. The sealing is necessary, and with how physical the way up is, you don't want anything heavy on your back or neck.

Besides squirrels (yes, squirrels), condors and ravens are all we saw the entire time. You won't even care about the condors and thir 9' wingspan on the way down, because you will be getting so many great pictures of the canyon. Wide is necessary for everything. The times that I left my 50mm on after plants/insects, I lost a lot of shots.

All I had on my back was my camera equipment, and my fellow hiker had a backpack with 8 bottles of absopure.

The way down is great. On the way up, I thought the joints in my knees were going to give out, and I'm a pretty athletic twenty-year-old. Granted, we went up basically jogging instead of taking it easy



Feb 22, 2005 at 05:30 PM
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I've got a reservation at phantom ranch, made it 2 years ago. Yes they fill up that fast...

I'm flying into Phoenix, meeting family and driving up. I may spend some time there before, haven't finished planning right now.

I'll look at getting a 17-40 for the hike down, and leaving it on. I'm doing some practice hikes around with dead weight in the pack now to see how much pain I'm going to be in. I also have no plan on jogging in either direction.

I haven't tried the 70-300 DO at all, mostly since I have a Bigma. But usually weight isn't a big issue. I have no plans on lugging it down.

If I don't get a 17-40 in time, then I'll just use the 20D. 20D and a 17-85IS over a 17-40 worth it? I guess both have a nice resale value, so worse case I'll just put them up for sale.




Feb 22, 2005 at 06:43 PM
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I also forgot to note to use filters!!

The filters I had on throughout the trip came back scratched up and down from the sand. I couldn't believe how much the sand dug into the filter... thank god I had my old Canon filters on and not my Hoyas.

Oh, and I didn't use a hood the whole trip. Believe it or not, nothing was overexposed or flared, even on clear and sunny days.



Feb 22, 2005 at 09:35 PM
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I would recomend the sigma 18-125 over the 17-85 anyday. although you may not see that much CA with the canon at the canyon.

good point on the dust it is a killer.



anyway good luck on the trip I hope you post some photos back...



Feb 22, 2005 at 11:23 PM
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