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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


Apologies in advance for asking some very basic questions re: tripods.

I'm looking for a solid tripod for astrophotography and was wondering which tripod would be more stable assuming both tripods have the same outer diameter for legs...

* A 4-section long tripod where I'm not extending the center column at all vs.
* A 3-section tripod where I'd have to extend the center column about 6 inches

In addition, would a 4-section long tripod with only three sections extended be roughly as stable as a 3-section tripod fully extended? And are there any disadvantages to only using 3 of 4 sections in a 4 section tripod?

Thanks for your thoughts!




Jul 29, 2024 at 09:46 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


It depends a LOT on what tripod you're looking at, the leg diameters, the general stability.

For instance, I have 3 tripods that get some use for me:

The Peak Design travel tripod, which is 5 section and has a thin center column. It's quite sturdy for what it is, but is definitely the least stable of my 3 tripods, and is only used when compact size is THE criterion of need. (it's not a bad tripod, it just isn't going to be rock-solid in breezy conditions when fully extended).

Then my normal travel tripod, which is a 4 section Leofoto LS-284C, with no extending center column. it's a little shorter than my other two, but is still quite solid and very stiff. Excellent compact tripod.

And my main tripod when size isn't a major consideration, which is a 3 section Leofoto LS-323C, which has no center column, but definitely doesn't need it, as despite only being 3 section, the legs are the largest and longest, and with head, easily puts the camera above my eyes when fully extended. This tripod is also extremely sturdy and strong.

On the whole I prefer a 3 section tripod, but a good four section can be very nearly as good with regards to stability, and if it gets you extra height while maintaining good compactness, it might be the way to go.

One thing I will say is to get something that is not a cheap piece of crap.

What tripods are you looking at?



Jul 29, 2024 at 10:56 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


Thanks for the reply! I’m looking at used 3-series from Gitzo, though I’ll definitely take a look at that Leofotos. These would be mean for short hikes when weight isn’t a consideration.

I have the Peak Design primarily for air travel but not sure how it’s going to hold up in windy weather. It is amazingly compact though.



Jul 29, 2024 at 11:26 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


Out of curiosity, why would you need to extend the center column for astro? It's not like you need to be standing at the camera all the time.

I use a Gitzo 3542L Mountaineer (4 sections), which works fine; I usually fully extend the top 3 sections and extend the bottom section a bit if needed. My main reason for getting the long version is that I sometimes need to position the tripod's feet below me (think "river/stream", and "I'm standing on something that's too small for tripod + me"); I rarely use the center column (which is removable). If doing astro (which I rarely do), I can usually bring a collapsable camping stool along ("place to sit" is handy for astro and other long exposure situations). The tripod's quite stable. I'd recommend against raising the center column for anything that requires long exposures, as that will just increase the likelihood of vibrations.

You didn't mention what your camera rig is. Do you use an astrotracker like the iOptron SkyGuider Pro, which would require a sturdier tripod, how heavy is your camera + lens? How long exposures do you usually take (longer = sturdier tripod).

My Mountaineer works fine with the SkyGuider Pro, a FF DSLR/ML camera, and lenses up to 135 f/2. I haven't tried it with longer FLs. Without the SkyGuider Pro, I've taken relatively short (multi-minute) exposures with up to a 400 f/5.6 lens.



Jul 29, 2024 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


Thanks, Abbott. I'm just starting in this field, so I'm using a Sony A7CR with 20mm f/1.8 attached for shots of the Milky Way while it's still summer. I like to take pics at ponds and lakes so find that I have to adjust height to control the foreground vegetation depending upon the spot. Right now, I'm stacking 10 to 20 second exposures, but I'd love to get a star tracker at some point.

I'm leaning toward getting the 4-section long tripod, as I think it offers more options than a 3-section one, and the extra height means not extending or perhaps being able to remove the center column.

This is very much a beginner's photograph:








Jul 29, 2024 at 12:25 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


Nice image, and what you're doing is a good start. More food for thought: another use I've had for my "tall" Mountaineer is to splay its legs to horizontal so as to support the camera when I'm in a narrow gully or between felled logs in a forest; situations like that where you need support but there's not enough room for the tripod's normal leg spread. Note: If you do this, don't place any weight on the spread legs, as they're really not intended to support loads when used like this! I'll probably get a lot of slack just for suggesting this... I've found that Gitzo Series 3 tripod legs (I have a Systematic in addition to the newer Mountaineer) are adequate for these sorts of situations with FF cameras and up to a 70-200 f/4 lens. The longer tripods (as long as they're stiff and well built) have quite a bit of flexibility in how they can support your gear.

BTW: This is the current version of my Mountaineer:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1034917-REG/gitzo_gt3542l_gt3532_mountaineer_series_3.html



Jul 29, 2024 at 02:58 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


dormouse99 wrote:
Apologies in advance for asking some very basic questions re: tripods.

I'm looking for a solid tripod for astrophotography and was wondering which tripod would be more stable assuming both tripods have the same outer diameter for legs...

* A 4-section long tripod where I'm not extending the center column at all vs.
* A 3-section tripod where I'd have to extend the center column about 6 inches

In addition, would a 4-section long tripod with only three sections extended be roughly as stable as a 3-section tripod fully extended? And are there any disadvantages to only using 3 of 4 sections in
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Raising the center column will compromise your stability more. Most normal height CC would cut the stability in half. Going with more section would roughly cut your stability in third, depending very much on how high you go above the 3-section. If you can get the latest Gitzo, go with that. If you want to go with Leofoto, get a size bigger.



Jul 29, 2024 at 06:36 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


hiepphotog wrote:
Raising the center column will compromise your stability more. Most normal height CC would cut the stability in half. Going with more section would roughly cut your stability in third, depending very much on how high you go above the 3-section. If you can get the latest Gitzo, go with that. If you want to go with Leofoto, get a size bigger.


Abbott Schindl wrote:
BTW: This is the current version of my Mountaineer:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1034917-REG/gitzo_gt3542l_gt3532_mountaineer_series_3.html


Thank you both for the advice! I've just put in an order with KEH for a used Gitzo 3540L Mountaineer, the (much) older version of what Abbott is using. I can't wait to try it out next month in Vermont!





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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


Not to throw a monkey wrench in your decision but... current day Leofoto is much more user friendly than an older Girzo. Particularly the 284CEX and 324CEX models. The latter is a very beefy tripod, the former is more hiking oriented. But... you will have to put a file on the leg stops to increase the leg opening ton25 degrees. Given the price, it is a small inconvenience for me at least

The FLM CP300-L4 series is another excellent tripod that is both tall and beefy while not weighing a ton.



Jul 29, 2024 at 10:37 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


With the long exposures of astro photography the stability of the tripod is not critical. The 4-section is shorter and easier to fit inside the overhead bin on aircraft than a 3-section.

More important is determining the working height that you need to comfortably shoot the night sky.



Jul 31, 2024 at 05:54 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


I’d recommend a used Gitzo. I bought a used carbon fiber 3 series with 3 sections years ago. Never had to think about tripods ever again.

dormouse99 wrote:
Thanks for the reply! I’m looking at used 3-series from Gitzo, though I’ll definitely take a look at that Leofotos. These would be mean for short hikes when weight isn’t a consideration.

I have the Peak Design primarily for air travel but not sure how it’s going to hold up in windy weather. It is amazingly compact though.




Jul 31, 2024 at 08:02 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


elkhornsun wrote:
With the long exposures of astro photography the stability of the tripod is not critical. The 4-section is shorter and easier to fit inside the overhead bin on aircraft than a 3-section.

More important is determining the working height that you need to comfortably shoot the night sky.


I am curious why you think tripod stability is not important for long exposure astro shots?



Aug 01, 2024 at 05:45 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


As has already been said, a center column is almost always a poor choice, but especially so for astro where you are typically not looking for height. As for 3 vs 4 sections, in the last 10-15 years tripod design and especially manufacturing has, for practical purposes, leveled the floor between the two. That said, it does matter if you are looking at an especially light, travel styled tripod, as in my experience they are all pretty unstable regardless of the number of sections.

I have 3 tripods, my "normal" one, a Really Right Stuff 24L, which is perfect for landscape use as it can setup both low and very high. It does not, however, travel in planes well, as it's just under 24" long when folded and so does not fit easily into checked luggage (though it can, but it's a bit awkward and wastes space). My second tripod is an older RRS 23 model. It's no shorter folded, but is lighter and my wife uses it. The third tripod is an older Gitzo 2430 with the center column removed. It's just over two pounds, folds to under 20 inches, and with an RRS BH-40 makes for a light, fairly stable, travel setup.

Why the history? Because in the end I've found no one tripod can answer every need. For astro, unless you are hiking miles into a site, stable matters more than light. And unless you are travelling in a plane to get to your location, folded length also doesn't matter. So, grab a used 3 series Gitzo or RRS or FLM and know that you have a stable setup. The only thing I wouldn't recommend is an older aluminum tripod. Not because it wouldn't be stable, because it would be very stable. But because metal can get very cold when you are out on long night shots.



Aug 01, 2024 at 09:15 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


Solid advice above.

Leg coldness can be solved for under $10 with pipe insulation and athletic tape. Lots of videos on the topic. But, other than price, there is no good reason to buy an aluminum tripod today, particularly when there are CF tripods that cost about the same.

Leg coldness is an issue with CF tripods too, particularly in the winter, when they suck heat out of your fingers even through thick mittens. My winter tripod is a RRS 24L and its legs are wrapped as mentioned above. In fact I wrap the legs of every tripod I won except the ultra small travel one, because they are more comfortable to carry that way.



Aug 02, 2024 at 08:36 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Newbie questions: 4-section long tripod vs. 3-section tripod


hiepphotog wrote:
I am curious why you think tripod stability is not important for long exposure astro shots?


Great deal of difference making a 15 second exposure with a landscape and making a night sky shot for 30 seconds as there is little in the way of subject motion with the night sky. Camera motion is also primarily with exposures of around 1/10s with a DSLR and not a concern with the modern mirrorless cameras with internal image stabilization.

There is also the use of either a tracker with longer than 50mm focal lengths and a wide angle lens of 20mm or less without a tracker and so there is very little image magnification with the short focal length lens.



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