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p.3 #1 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


DWOfPaul wrote:
The main benefit I have found with the 200-600mm ability to zoom though is when you taking photos of a far off subject and suddenly it comes right towards you or lands right by you. By the time you take a TC off your lens or switch to a body with a wider lens the photo can be gone.


That or you are on a trip with varied subjects needing that range or may be at different distances to a wildlife subject. If one does not want to either carry multiple lenses or be switching TC's on or off, then that is an advantage for the 200-600mm.




Mar 26, 2024 at 12:17 PM
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p.3 #2 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


Would like to see a Sony 600mm 5.6 or even 6.3 with dual linear AF motors , similar to Nikon's 600pf. A lightweight mid priced option would be awesome

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It's a wonderful lens. As the original poster mentioned, has the luster wore off? My thoughts are that in terms of size maybe so. I rarely zoomed when I had it. I had it pegged on 600mm with a 1.4 tc for birds and small stuff. To me a Sony 500 5.6 that takes TC's and half the weight. If possible sounds like a dream come true.




Mar 26, 2024 at 12:52 PM
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p.3 #3 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


Superb photos Joshua! You make a great case for the 200-600 here


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With introduction of the GM 300mm and even more so, the Sigma 500mm f/5.6, this lens appears to have lost its appeal and has been pushed to the background by the birding community, in particular and the long lens aficionados, in general on FM. Actually at f/6.3 at the long end, this lens is only barely slower than the Sigma f/5.6. But it is a zoom lens and as such, you have the flexibility of zooming out to 200mm and any FL in between. Plus, a TC can be used to extend the FL further if there is a need
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Mar 26, 2024 at 12:53 PM
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p.3 #4 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


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As for how much does a zoom matter for finding subjects it really depends. I used my 300mm f2.8 + TC 2x on my D500 for years which gave me an effective FL of 900mm. You end up getting used to it, and I have found it interesting that some photographers say a downside of the 800mm PF is it's hard to locate subjects, but I have also meet quite a few photographers that use a 600mm + TC 1.4 most of the time with no issues. There has definitely been times the ability to zoom out with the 200-600mm
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I think it's an experience thing. When I started, I was zooming all the time. These days, it's basically locked off at 600mm - it's almost like point shooting with a rifle. My mate, who is much newer to birding, struggles immensely and has to zoom in and out all the time.



Mar 26, 2024 at 07:13 PM
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p.3 #5 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


Wonderful images here, speak volume for the lens IQ
It's been my main birding lens ever since its inception , great for stills as well as video
After a trip to Asia last year , due to its weight and size, I opted to carry the 100-400mm + TCs instead
After the trip , I started to use the latter more since I prefer its IQ and AF works better with the 2 TCs
The 200-600mm then got neglected
Even more now that I got the 300mm ; this has become my main arsenal coupled with the TCs for obvious reasons: IQ, bokeh, AF speed, size, weight
I do miss the 840mm reach from the 200-600 + 1,4TC and its zoom flexibility, but not the weight
I love the internal zoom vs the external from the 100-400
In the end, it 's got to go for lack of use
Still a valuable, affordable tool for anyone shooting wildlife/birds with FE mount



Mar 26, 2024 at 08:53 PM
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p.3 #6 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens



As some others that posted on this thread, I also own and use the GM 600mm lens. Obviously, under similar circumstances, the bokeh generated by the prime lens is indeed a little smoother. The AF speed of the prime lens is also faster.

Is the prime sharper? Absolutely, but the difference is only slight in my honest opinion. A few times when I was searching for images for posting on the GM 600mm thread based strictly on the appearance, I selected images that were taken with the zoom lens at 600mm setting without realizing the exif.

On serious birding trips, locally and abroad, I take both lenses with me. If the targets are mostly small birds and at a distance away then of course, the GM 600mm even fitted with a TC will be my choice. However, there are cases where the 600mm FL is simply too long. Like in the first image of a preening peregrine falcon chick. I wouldn't use the GM 600mm for that and I care less whether I got a sharper image, although I doubt that the prime lens would yield a noticeably sharper image. The adorable expression of the falcon chick and the appearance as if it was a flutist is palpable on that image. The toucan in-flight in heavy rain in the original post is another sample where a shorter FL was more appropriate to capture not only the bird but also the weather conditions it was flying under. I would rather capture those than not at all had I had only the GM 600mm.

Again, thank you everyone for expressing your opinion about this lens. Please let's hear some more.



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Mar 26, 2024 at 10:16 PM
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p.3 #7 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


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Superb photos Joshua! You make a great case for the 200-600 here



Thank you for your kind words, Nelson!



Mar 26, 2024 at 10:17 PM
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p.3 #8 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


This is a well-timed and well framed post Joshua.

My thoughts agree with you, but my story is slightly different. I came from Pentax DSLR with the K-1 36MP FF and the HDFA150-450mm F4.5-5.6 zoom as my long tele combo. It's sweet spot was F7.1, and I shot it there when I could, but it was still pretty good wide open at the long end at medium distances. Pentax discontinued their DA 560mm F5.6 ED before I could buy one, and I ran out of patience waiting for a new body with better CAF and for a new long lens replacement. I felt my equipment was losing re-sale value and I needed to make a decision quick before changing systems became economically painful beyond my means to deal with.

I scouted the "big three" and my main criteria, coming from a brand with shrinking 3rd party support, and falling behind in R&D and production, was a brand with a healthy echo system of cutting-edge product, regular releases, and 3rd party lens availability. The Sony 200-600mm G OSS and the CAF/AF ability with the new AI support in Sony land is what clinched it for me. If I had waited another year, I think "might" have been tempted to look hard at the Nikon Z8, but at this point, I am quite happy where I am with the A7RV. I know people call it slow compared to the A-1, but compared to what I came from, it is greased lighting and very accurate. At this point, I can rationalize that prefer the IQ and over all handling over the loss of speed to the A-1, making the RV my all-rounder solution. Much like people choosing the current A-1 over the new A9-III, etc.

I researched the 200-600mm not only by reviews and forums, but one trick I use when shopping a lens is looking for "Average Joe's" results. So I used the search engines on photo hosting sites like Flickr to look for pic's specifically taken with the 200-600mm on a FF body like the A-1, A7RV, etc. then compared it to what I currently had, plus the competition. I was impressed to say the least... And I still remain impressed to this day.

The 200-600mm has compromises, sure, but they are the RIGHT compromises in my opinion at this price point. It's fast and can provide stellar results if you don't get sloppy with your technique. The biggest drawback to me is size & weight. BUT... with the sensors and software we have today, I have no problem with ISO and prefer to shoot it at F7.1 to F8.0 anyway, where it shines.

If Sony announces the 2nd Gen replacement for the 200-600mm, and it is an improvement along similar lines as they have done to all their 2nd Gen lenses lately, I am on-board, mainly for the size and weight, if they can bring it down without creating a dust pumper, or flimsy plastic fantastic (which there is no indication from there current record they would do so)... And if they can squeak out a little more resolution at the long end, that'll just be icing on the cake.

A few samples from my exploits with the 200-600mm in various situations.


Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS ƒ/7.1 600.0 mm 1/1250 iso160


Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS ƒ/7.1 600.0 mm 1/2500 iso1250


Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS ƒ/8.0 600.0 mm 1/1600 iso2500


Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS ƒ/6.3 600.0 mm 1/3200 iso1000


Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS ƒ/8.0 600.0 mm 1/2500 iso640



Mar 27, 2024 at 09:32 AM
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p.3 #9 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


I know we all use cameras and lenses differently, so this may be irrelevant to some photographers. Perhaps, it will help others take a closer look at how valuable the zoom feature is regarding the Sony 200-600. I use my 200-600 lens mostly for wildlife but I also use it to photograph dogs, hunting and fly fishing images.
I used the metadata search features in Lightroom. It shows I currently have 68,851 images captured with the 200-600 lens. Some of these are tightly culled images, some partially culled and some not culled at all. So these statistic may be somewhat skewed compared to just those tightly culled keepers Here's what I learned:
17% of these images were shot between 200-300mm
12% were captured between 301-400mm
13% were taken between 401-500mm
7% were logged between 501-599mm
51% were taken at 600mm
So, if I were to switch to the Sigma 500 f/5.6 or the Sony 300 f/2.8 with the teleconverters, I would probably notice the inconvenience of not being able to zoom. I suspect I would adapt to the prime because I've always used prime telephotos for wildlife prior to getting the 200-600. Glean what you can from this data or better yet, check and see how much you use the zoom capabilities of your 200-600.
Only you can decide if a lighter, faster auto focus, better bokeh, cheaper, sharper along the edges or zoom feature is most important to you.



Mar 29, 2024 at 09:42 AM
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So.. you all are really good at what you do so I kind of hope you can answer this.

I really want the sony 200-600 but "disagreements" with the wife about the price has led me to look at the tamron 150-600 which is "half price" and probably even less frankly if I can find it used. My question to you all who have the godly 200-600 is "will I be disappointed?". I like the idea of the 200-600 because it has OSS, it has teleconverter support, and it has full FPS of my camera ability(a1). Also you know.. A1 + 200-600 = godly but I digress..

Also.. don't know if I'm allowed to ask this(sorry if I'm not don't ban hammer me please I'll gladly remove this if I'm not) does anyone know what the 200-600 goes with education discounts? I saw on slickdeals it at one time went down to like 1350-1450 and frankly that might be close enough to the mark if it ever drifts that low again.



Apr 05, 2024 at 02:49 PM
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Jerky_san wrote:
So.. you all are really good at what you do so I kind of hope you can answer this.

I really want the sony 200-600 but "disagreements" with the wife about the price has led me to look at the tamron 150-600 which is "half price" and probably even less frankly if I can find it used. My question to you all who have the godly 200-600 is "will I be disappointed?". I like the idea of the 200-600 because it has OSS, it has teleconverter support, and it has full FPS of my camera ability(a1). Also you know.. A1 +
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Don't know much about the Tamron, but I know third party lenses can't get 20 FPS, let along 30 FPS. A used 200-600 here goes for about $1400-1500. I would personally grab a used 200-600 over the third party lenses anytime. Even at full price, I think the 200-600 is a steal. My friend got a 200-600 from BH 2 years ago at EUD discount, $1600, I think.

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Apr 05, 2024 at 02:53 PM
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p.3 #12 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


Douglas L wrote:
Don't know much about the Tamron, but I know third party lenses can't get 20 FPS, let along 30 FPS. A used 200-600 here goes for about $1400-1500. I would personally grab a used 200-600 over the third party lenses anytime. Even at full price, I think the 200-600 is a steal.



Yeah that is why I really want it. Everyone says its a gem in it's own right. I doubt so many people would say that if it wasn't true. The Tamron 35-150 was talked about the same way and it 100% did not disappointment me at all.



Apr 05, 2024 at 02:55 PM
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p.3 #13 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


The used prices for the 200-600 are probably $200-$300 less than the EDU prices.


Apr 05, 2024 at 03:00 PM
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p.3 #14 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


The sigma is a nonstarter. One focal length and 15fps. The 300 is too short for birds. The 200-600 is flexible and images are great.


Apr 05, 2024 at 08:49 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
Thank you for your input and superb images, Doug! I am looking forward to the next iteration of this lens whenever Sony introduces it.


A version II of this lens would be very welcome!
You make a case for the fe200-600g lens with passion, and although I was critical towards it when it was the only lens I had with the A1, I am more positive about it since having had the 600GM for 1,5 yrs now.
The thing is, the 200-600g is not a high end prime lens, and it cannot perform at that level, AF wise or IQ wise.

Letting that expectation go though, and taking it for its merits, it is a very good lens, certainly for the money. I sold it quickly after getting the 600GM, but I am considering getting a new copy for travel.

Now to the big question: when not considering size/weight and ultimate AF performance, and intending to use the lens at 600mm most of the time, would you choose this lens over the 300GM+2xTC?



Jun 16, 2024 at 06:20 AM
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p.3 #16 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


Thanks Joshua, for bringing light to one of the very good long tele zoom lenses.

Cant beat the short zoom on the 200 -600. Simply put, it never fails. Second favorite to Canon's V1 100-400 Push Pull Zoom, the optics were not great, but the zooming factor was outstanding.

If Sony decides to introduce a Version II, a push pull version would be very welcomed, no complaints about the optics on Version I, but if they improved the optics that also would be welcomed.

To folks who would consider a Third Party long Tele Zoom, be aware, you cannot use a TC with it.



Jun 16, 2024 at 08:02 AM
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ChrisMak wrote:
A version II of this lens would be very welcome!
You make a case for the fe200-600g lens with passion, and although I was critical towards it when it was the only lens I had with the A1, I am more positive about it since having had the 600GM for 1,5 yrs now.
The thing is, the 200-600g is not a high end prime lens, and it cannot perform at that level, AF wise or IQ wise.

Letting that expectation go though, and taking it for its merits, it is a very good lens, certainly for the money. I sold it quickly after
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Chris, that's an excellent but tough to answer question. Here is the long answer. I bought both lenses at the same time and they were delivered on the same day a few years back. I was convinced that the G 200-600mm would be short lived in my lens line-up. But to my surprise it has stayed there until now and I took it out on a regular basis. In the beginning, I really felt more sure-footed of using a zoom lens with a really nice zoom throw. A lot times, I started out with a shorter focal length of the zoom range to easily located the target and immediately upon getting the target in focus, I zoom in to whatever FL is best for the composition. And that goes for stationary and in-flight target. That feature weighs itself in gold, especially in the beginning. Handling a large and yes, relatively heavy GM 600mm with a narrow field of view, let's be honest requires some skill. And my age is creeping up. I couldn't handle the GM 600mm without any support while I still can with the G 200-600mm.

And, I am sure it has to do with the local or whatever shooting circumstances I have been in. As you know, I was in Costa Rica in January of this year. Boy, I am glad I had that lens, in addition of the GM 600mm, there are a lot cases where I would prefer getting images at less than 400-500mm and of course, that's were the G 200-600mm lens delivers in spades.

Back to your original question, judging by the weight and size, the faster aperture, the 300mm is the one to beat and no, the 200-600mm is left behind. Yes, you can attach one of the 2 TCs or even both TCs combined to change the FL (I posted my findings of using stacked TCs in a different thread) but putting a TC or TCs on and taking them off is not that convenient compared to turning a zoom ring. Especially if you have to do that while shooting somewhere in a hot and sticky outside like in the rainforest. The degradation of the optical and AF performance of the 300mm GM is minimal but it is there, especially in the case of the 2X TC. In my opinion, the 2 lenses are getting close in both features. Again, in real circumstances and only in my opinion. My copy of the G 200-600mm is stellar and I am judging my opinion based on that.

I will be going on a trip where I need a longish lens for large birds and the distance is not that large. It is not the speed of the AF that matters but the lighting quality that matters. Hence, I will be taking the 300mm with both TCs on that trip, which is not strictly for birding. I prefer a smaller size and lighter weight in addition to that.

As you can guess, my short answer to that is, it depends on travel, and shooting circumstances. You cannot go wrong with either. I consider myself fortunate to be able to choose which lens is I thought would be best to perform at certain circumstances.

Thanks,
Joshua




Jun 16, 2024 at 10:28 AM
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p.3 #18 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


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Thanks Joshua, for bringing light to one of the very good long tele zoom lenses.

Cant beat the short zoom on the 200 -600. Simply put, it never fails. Second favorite to Canon's V1 100-400 Push Pull Zoom, the optics were not great, but the zooming factor was outstanding.

If Sony decides to introduce a Version II, a push pull version would be very welcomed, no complaints about the optics on Version I, but if they improved the optics that also would be welcomed.

To folks who would consider a Third Party long Tele Zoom, be aware, you cannot use a TC
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Thank you for your input, Joe! Yes, I am all for the second iteration of the lens. You made a good point about the use of TC or TCs there.



Jun 16, 2024 at 10:30 AM
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p.3 #19 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


I just picked up the 300 F4 Oly and I like it on the OM-1 but in good light I'd definitely rather be shooting the A1 200-600.

Hard to beat the flexibility of a zoom and the croppability of a 50MP sensor. Interesting that Nikon just raised the price of the 180-600 to the price of the FE 200-600.

Still a favorite of mine.









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p.3 #20 · Another look at the G 200-600mm lens


I have had mine since it came out also. It rarely comes off the A1. I came to Sony from Canon due to the weight of the 500f4. I love the versatility of the 200-600. I will use a monopod most of the time but also a tripod when stationary. I am 70 BTW and will occasionally hand hold but not often. I considered the Sigma for my backup A9 but it has an excellent copy of the Tamron 150-500 on it so no need.










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