Zenon Char wrote:
PR4 came out with DeepPrime XD2. Photolab users won't see that until PL8.
In DXO's defense, that probably has more to do with the core rewrite required to pull off the new viewing feature for the higher end corrections which was never coded into PhotoLab.
re: the OP
The Adobe package (I don't use it at the moment) is a good price at $120 a year given that we used to pay several times that if we wanted to purchase and keep our software updated. We only ever legally owned the license not the software anyway- that has been true for decades- it's in the EULA.
padrelar wrote:
In DXO's defense, that probably has more to do with the core rewrite required to pull off the new viewing feature for the higher end corrections which was never coded into PhotoLab.
re: the OP
The Adobe package (I don't use it at the moment) is a good price at $120 a year given that we used to pay several times that if we wanted to purchase and keep our software updated. We only ever legally owned the license not the software anyway- that has been true for decades- it's in the EULA.
Perhaps. I'm not 100% convinced about that but I won't say it is not true as there isn't any information either way.
Subscription didn't matter much to me anyway because I purchased PS in 2006 and LR in 2011 and always updated. There may have not been major changes but little ones like noticing resizing/sharpening algorithms seemed to do a better job. That was many years ago.
Zenon Char wrote:
Perhaps. I'm not 100% convinced about that but I won't say it is not true as there isn't any information either way.
Subscription didn't matter much to me anyway because I purchased PS in 2006 and LR in 2011 and always updated. There may have not been major changes but little ones like noticing resizing/sharpening algorithms seemed to do a better job. That was many years ago.
I should have said I have PL3 but I can’t use it. It’s so old it won’t support my newer cameras which is normal. Support runs out for most software. I had PR2 last year because DXO does make a damn good product. I had to update from V1 for Canon R62 support. I would use it or Topaz Photo AI but most of the time I wound up using PR. Adobe came out with Denoise AI so I turfed both it and Photo AI.
armd wrote:
Very interesting albeit heated discussion. Here's my take FWIW. I left the Adobe fold a few years ago after two very costly and time-consuming cataloging failures in LR. At that time, I chose On1 PR and lived through the performance and bug issues. Fast forward to 2024, and PR like the myriad of DAM/RAW converters have demonstrated some incremental improvements and stability. Nonetheless, the features that Adobe offers through ACR, PS, etc. cannot be matched in any software, period. For example, don't know of any other photo processing software which offers such fantastic remove or color separation tools. Yes, they all offer basic tonal, color adjustments, but features like these really distinguish Adobe from their competitors. When one calculates the true costs involved, being beholden to Adobe is unfortunate but necessary to achieve best results. I'm in the process of switching back....Show more →
How is the latest version of On1 as a DAM? I'm curious to see their new version of NoNoise as well but a solid DAM is critical for me.
Of you could go old-school and just buy DAM software to do that job for you, separate from photo editing. While I use LRC, I don't use its catalog feature. I just create a catalog for each job/event/trip, etc. I gave up on LR long ago when it would bog down with large catalogs - maybe it's better now?
For figuring out where all my files are, how many duplicates I have, etc., I use NeoFinder (for the Mac platform - IIRC there is a related product for Windows). $40.00 non-subscription and only requires paying again with the next major release (i.e. when version 9 is released to replace the current version 8).
I have ~100 HDDs in the catalog going way back in time, with millions of image files. Lots of file duplicates of course as many of the drives are backups and many are decommissioned. But catalog searches are very fast... It creates a databased for each drive, but searches across all of them (or a smaller range as specified by you). I like this because if a database were to corrupt, it won't take down the entire collection. But this hasn't yet happened.
rscheffler wrote:
Of you could go old-school and just buy DAM software to do that job for you, separate from photo editing. While I use LRC, I don't use its catalog feature. I just create a catalog for each job/event/trip, etc. I gave up on LR long ago when it would bog down with large catalogs - maybe it's better now?
For figuring out where all my files are, how many duplicates I have, etc., I use NeoFinder (for the Mac platform - IIRC there is a related product for Windows). $40.00 non-subscription and only requires paying again with the next major release (i.e. when version 9 is released to replace the current version 8).
I have ~100 HDDs in the catalog going way back in time, with millions of image files. Lots of file duplicates of course as many of the drives are backups and many are decommissioned. But catalog searches are very fast... It creates a databased for each drive, but searches across all of them (or a smaller range as specified by you). I like this because if a database were to corrupt, it won't take down the entire collection. But this hasn't yet happened. ...Show more →
The biggest problem with a bunch of disjoint applications is…well they are not that integrated and you have to manage multiple applications each on their different upgrade schedules..especially when one is upgrading their OS or hardware.
What I like about LR is I can do all my image management, processing and printing from one integrated package…making consistency across features and functions. This improves my workflow and productivity.
chez wrote:
The biggest problem with a bunch of disjoint applications is…well they are not that integrated and you have to manage multiple applications each on their different upgrade schedules..especially when one is upgrading their OS or hardware.
What I like about LR is I can do all my image management, processing and printing from one integrated package…making consistency across features and functions. This improves my workflow and productivity.
I agree. It's the integration. Adobe took a different path but finally entered the AI denoise arena. I waited a lot of years for that. Great start but it still needs work. Adobe needs is to keep improving that which I'm confident it will and get into Sharpening AI or something similar. After Denoise AI came out all I kept was Topaz Sharpen AI which I use sparingly.
jwpstl wrote:
How is the latest version of On1 as a DAM? I'm curious to see their new version of NoNoise as well but a solid DAM is critical for me.
Have you used V1 NoNoise? I purchased it as a stand alone and thought it was very good. Good at detail but fell apart a little at higher ISO’s. At that time DXO did a better a better job in that area. I’ve not tried of tested V2. DAM is a supposed to be pretty good but I only tried ON1 for a few days so I never looked at the DAM closely.
I didn't want to install the demo of On1 PR and get pestered with emails to buy it but caved and gave it a shot. My early impressions are that it's a good all-in-one program and would be a decent alternative to LR if you hate subscriptions but I don't think it's for me. The DAM was mediocre and the UI is a bit confusing-though I suspect I would get used to it over time. Sticking with my current workflow for now.
