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Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


I know not many have both
And if they do, has only been for a few days
But I think this thread could have legs moving forward

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Mar 02, 2024 at 06:47 PM
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p.1 #2 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


For starters I have owned the Leica Q2 and the X100v. I now own the Leica Q3 and the X100VI

There is two things the Fuji wins at-

Price and Size-

That’s it- EVERYTHING else is better on the Leica IMO.

- The Menus
-Sensor
-AF
-IQ
-Handling
-The App (Leica app transfers raw files in about 1 second) Zero need to ever remove your SD Card
- Low Light
- DR


I am not knocking the Fuji, we are comparing a 6k camera to a $1600 one but it’s really not a match IMO. You can argue that if you want to shoot JPG etc and play with recipes the Fuji can have a fun factor but thats take it or leave it for me with vs the Leica. I enjoy it but much prefer the raw files from the Leica and edit later.

I am in a position where I can and will own both for now but if I where to sell one, it will be the Fuji 10/10 times. The Fuji is a great little camera it just doesn’t stack up to the Leica Q3. If size or breaking the camera (sport activity) isn’t a concern when leaving the house, I grab will grab the Leica every time.



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Mar 02, 2024 at 07:29 PM
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p.1 #3 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


Thanks for that info Rusty
You are certainly in the position to know!!



Mar 02, 2024 at 07:43 PM
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p.1 #4 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


RustyRus wrote:
For starters I have owned the Leica Q2 and the X100v. I now own the Leica Q3 and the X100VI

There is two things the Fuji wins at-

Price and Size-

That’s it- EVERYTHING else is better on the Leica IMO.

- The Menus
-Sensor
-AF
-IQ
-Handling
-The App (Leica app transfers raw files in about 1 second) Zero need to ever remove your SD Card
- Low Light
- DR

I am not knocking the Fuji, we are comparing a 6k camera to a $1600 one but it’s really not a match IMO.

I am in a position where I can and will own both for
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The Fuji also wins on weight and ability to customize, particularly the film simulations. I would agree with everything else you listed except for handling. The Leica is a better camera but somehow I find that I have enjoyed using my Fuji cameras (T3, E4, 100V) more than my Q2. In fact, I'm debating selling the Q2 for that reason.



Mar 02, 2024 at 08:03 PM
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p.1 #5 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


I don't have the VI/Q3 combo, but I had the V/Q2 combo. The Q2 is for me much better and after getting it the X100V stopped getting used. That said, I've used my X-T5 3x as much as my Q2. The ability to change lens makes it a more versatile camera, but I still love the Q2 and don't plan on selling it.


Mar 02, 2024 at 10:46 PM
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p.1 #6 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


I think of the Q and X100 cameras as complimentary. I don't toss my 35mm lens for my Leica M just because I bought a 28mm.


Mar 02, 2024 at 11:09 PM
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p.1 #7 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


But with the large Mpxl Q3 you can crop

So how are they complementary
Then it would make sense to keep both
What is the argument for that



Mar 02, 2024 at 11:14 PM
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p.1 #8 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


I have the Q1 and am interested in the X100VI simply for the size and weight… working with JPGs out of the box is also appealing to me since I’m pretty lazy about loading my RAW files into LrC and editing them.

But it just seems silly since I already have a premium fixed-lens camera.



Mar 03, 2024 at 01:10 AM
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p.1 #9 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


I had a Q2, and now own an X100VI which arrived Thursday. I thoroughly enjoyed shooting with the Q2 -- the files are excellent, and the design of the user experience is the best of any camera I have ever used. But I have been 100% Fuji for ten years and sold the Q2 as I didn't want to have separate image editing requirements. The Q3 adds a couple of super useful features, especially the tilt-LCD for low angle work.

The X100vi is my first X100 model in years. So far I like it -- the smaller size versus the Q2 is welcome, as it fits in a jacket pocket or in a small waist pack. It's also a lot less noticeable slung over one shoulder. Files look good; it's the same sensor as my X-T5 and I find the files very usable in all sorts of conditions. The Fuji would make a lot more sense *for me* as a one-camera-for-travel solution, simply because of the size and weight.



Mar 03, 2024 at 08:57 AM
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p.1 #10 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


sonamair wrote:
But with the large Mpxl Q3 you can crop


I can crop to 35mm using a 28mm lens on my 60mp M11M, too, but I still prefer to use a 35mm lens when I want a photo taken with a 35mm field of view.

sonamair wrote:
So how are they complementary
Then it would make sense to keep both
What is the argument for that


To me they are completely different cameras, which can be a reason to have both:

– Field of view (28 vs 35)
– JPEG experience (Q has lackluster JPEGs)
– Sensor type (traditional CMOS vs XTrans)
– Sensor size (full frame vs APS-C)
– Size (big-little vs little-little)
– Weight
– Menus
– Stabilization (lens-based vs sensor based)
– Video usability (Q is not usable in many situations without IBIS)
– Optical distortion (Q has massive software distortion correction)
– Close distance wide open rendering (Q is immersive due to barrel distortion and wider FOV, X100 is more flat field and longer FOV)
– Built-in flash
– Built-in ND filter

And the things they have in common make them complimentary:

– Fixed lens
– Weather sealing
– Manual controls
– Macro-ish shooting
– Leaf shutter
– 49mm filter size

I'm not saying I would take both with me at the same time, but they are both different enough that sometimes I would rather have one versus the other with me. And sometimes I would take them both if I want to hand one of them off to my wife to take shots with me or as a backup camera.



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p.1 #11 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


I have both.. not sure this is very detailed, but I'll give you my quick bullets..

IQ - Just better on the Q3. Better lens, better sensor, more detail. I also very much like the Leica highlight-weighted metering.. metering options of Fuji have just always frustrated me.

AF - Actually the Q3 here is much better. No dot-matrix printer sound, and the variety of focusing modes seems to be wider and more accurate on the Q3. Of course the Q3 has had 12+ months of FW updates, etc.. so time will tell here, but I even find tracking to be superior on the Q3 vs X100VI.

EVF - Larger, better on the Q3. Clearly the optical one is better on the VI

Build quality - Q3 wins again.. feels far more substantial and solid in your hand. The VI is quite a bit smaller and lighter.

Ergonomics - Probably a tie, though from a button layout perspective I like the Q3. From a more buttons to customize / configure, the VI wins IMO.

Film Sims / "Looks" - X100VI kills the Q3 here. I like the Q3 / Leica HC BW, but the variety of ease of changing film sims on the VI is amazing. I love Reala Ace and and Acros with the option for color filters.

I personally prefer the 28mm over the 35, but I will say the MFD on the 35/2 pretty much negates the macro mode on the Q3 and I don't need to bother with fiddling with the lens to go into macro mode.

So, IMO, pretty much what you'd expect from $6k vs $1,500.

Despite all this, I haven't decided which to keep. Here's what I struggle with.

IQ - Yes, Q3 is better. But how much better? I see the sharpness difference at 100%, but at web resolution or even prints from a few feet away..? Is the satisfaction of pixel peeping sharpness worth it?

Film Sims - I shoot GFX as well. I love having consistency in color / output across bodies. The flexibility I get with recipes and sims is something I really enjoy, and I don't get much of that capability with my Q3 / M11 setup.

Size - X100VI is more portable and lighter. Neither is huge, but when traveling all the weight adds up.

28 vs 35mm - This one is tough for me. I have the WCL-II adapter. Put it on, and it's nearly the size of the Q3. I also then have to mess with taking my square hood off, dealing with the adapter ring, etc.. I like the flexibility of 28mm @ 60MP much better.

OVF - I can see and frame much better at night. Even with the updated Q3 EVF, it's still not at the level of say the SL2 or GFX 100ii or Sony A1.. OVF is handy.

Creativity - Outside of B/W shooting (I do very much love the Leica HC B/W), the X100VI allows me to be much more creative and control things that I feel are important to framing a shot an interpreting a scene.

High ISO - With Pure Raw this is pretty irrelevant for me, if I need to rescue a horrible noisy image I can.. I don't like how dithered and pixelated Fuji files get at high ISO, a ton of lost detail when you zoom in, but really that's only 6400+. Q3 isn't stellar here either, but if you shoot JPG and need high ISO, I think the Q3 wins here.

Overall for me it comes down to this..

35mm (con) + film sims (pro) + $4,500 (pro) vs 28mm (pro) + overall IQ (pro) + $4,500 more (con)

Jury is still out.. it's day by day at this point some days I feel strongly the Q3 wins, then I flip the next day..

I think rivaling the Q3 and 1/3rd the price point is an amazing result for Fuji.




Mar 03, 2024 at 10:40 AM
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p.1 #12 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


High desert
Thanks for that thoughtful and interesting perspective
Make it tempting to have both for sure



Mar 03, 2024 at 11:48 AM
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p.1 #13 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


Brandon
What a great thoughtful response also
You certainly justified my question with all of that info and confusion on which to pick if picking one.

One question for you
Can you clarify in detail
“ Creativity - Outside of B/W shooting (I do very much love the Leica HC B/W), the X100VI allows me to be much more creative and control things that I feel are important to framing a shot an interpreting a scene.”

What an important difference one would think but not clear why you make this comment
Many thanks



Mar 03, 2024 at 11:56 AM
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p.1 #14 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


sonamair wrote:
Brandon
What a great thoughtful response also
You certainly justified my question with all of that info and confusion on which to pick if picking one.

One question for you
Can you clarify in detail
“ Creativity - Outside of B/W shooting (I do very much love the Leica HC B/W), the X100VI allows me to be much more creative and control things that I feel are important to framing a shot an interpreting a scene.”

What an important difference one would think but not clear why you make this comment
Many thanks


Primarily based on film sims and recipes. I feel I can achieve a look that I wouldn't be able to (or struggle to reproduce) with the Q3 that a recipe allows me to get on the Fuji. For example, I love Vibrant Arizona when I travel in in the Caribbean. Here's are some images from Aruba this past summer.

Now to be fair, these are GFX 100s, but the recipe would get me very close if I paired it with the X100VI as well.. I know I would personally have a hard time getting this particular look and aesthetic with my Q3 files, and then being able to do it from shot to shot, and then try and match the style 12 months later when I took another trip. Now if you happen to be a whiz in LR or C1 maybe this isn't an issue at all, so perhaps just something I care about rather than a concern everyone would have..






  GFX100S    SIGMA 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM A018 lens    18mm    f/9.0    1/1000s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  






  GFX100S    SIGMA 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM A018 lens    24mm    f/8.0    1/640s    640 ISO    0.0 EV  






  GFX100S    SIGMA 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM A018 lens    17mm    f/8.0    1/640s    640 ISO    0.0 EV  




Mar 03, 2024 at 02:22 PM
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p.1 #15 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


Cobalt profiles could get you a starting point to the Fuji sims they are based on, but yeah, it doesn’t get easier than full recipes.


Mar 03, 2024 at 02:27 PM
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p.1 #16 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


RoamingScott wrote:
Cobalt profiles could get you a starting point to the Fuji sims they are based on, but yeah, it doesn’t get easier than full recipes.


Yep, I did that with my M11. They work pretty well, but then I feel like I'm going about it all backwards.. the colors I want are in a cheaper camera, that has AF, and costs a lot less.. but I'm going to spend extra money to make my MF camera look like the cheaper camera.. and I'm missing focus all the while.. :P Seemed backwards to me, but I do agree, if you love the Leica ergonomics and ecosystem and want to emulate some Fuji film simulations, Cobalt is the way to go.



Mar 03, 2024 at 02:33 PM
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p.1 #17 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


BrandonSi wrote:
I have both.. not sure this is very detailed, but I'll give you my quick bullets..

(clipped)

Film Sims - I shoot GFX as well. I love having consistency in color / output across bodies.


This is the primary reason I sold the Q2 to a friend. It's a great camera, the files are lovely, but I just got frustrated having to deal with two completely different kinds of files in post. Everything else I shoot is Fuji, X and GFX, and while the Q2 files really are good, they are not the same and took me more work to make them look the way I want.

I have no idea if my spanking new X100VI will work for me. I may end up with the Voigtlander 18mm pancake lens on an X-T5 -- a combination that won't be much larger, if at all, and will offer the same field of view as the Q2. But I like the little X100 so far, it's small and fits my hand well, and is easy to carry over one shoulder or in a jacket pocket. Unnoticeable, while the Q2 had some heft to it. Files are exactly what I expected. We'll see.



Mar 03, 2024 at 10:17 PM
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p.1 #18 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


I don't have either (i know i know) but for me it's a no brainer- if I could afford the Q3 it's the perfect camera for me. Literally no other (digital) ever made is as close to what I want in a camera for most of my photography. My wife would absolutely lose her mind i I dropped Q3 money on a camera though haha!


Mar 04, 2024 at 01:37 AM
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p.1 #19 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


Fuji has done really good work with X100 series, improving it each generation. There is still some quirkiness in X100V but as whole I think it is a very mature product. X100VI looks like a solid improvement over V.

Speaking of cropped cameras, I have briefly owned Ricoh GRIII alongside X100F and V. On its own right GR is fine, but it is not nearly as likable camera as the Fujis are. Even if the images were good, a body without viewfinder, with very dim LCD, poor battery life and rudimentary AF spoils the GR user experience. GR is not for me

However, as Leica Q is mentioned, we cannot overlook the biggest limitation of X100 series - it is not full frame! I have no real experience with any Leica Q version, just handled one in a shop. Basically I would pay 2ke more from a full frame compact, that is 4ke total. However, I am not fond of paying extra 2ke for Leica brand... Just too expensive for a compact camera.

The class of fixed lens compacts seem to gaining popularity, or at least attention. We need more manufactures to offer compacts. I have very little trust in Canon and Nikon, but realistically we could wait for Sony to bring out a new version of RX1 line, and possibly also a cropped sensor compact (why not?).



Mar 04, 2024 at 05:48 AM
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p.1 #20 · Those who have Q3 and Fuji 100V1…..detailed impressions?


Never mind.


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