fredmiranda.com
Login

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Leica & Alternative Gear | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3       4              6       7       end
  

Archive 2024 · Getting less and less views on Instagram

  
 
RustyRus
Online
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #1 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


Mitch Alland wrote:
Absolutely not! I originated the thread after I read the RFF post quoted in my OP: "So basically, Meta increased overall engagement times with the app at the expense of individual engagement with the photographers you like. It must be true - the pictures I posted 2-3 years ago have more likes that posting them now with the same hastags. It just feels that from 2022, Instagram became a less friendly platform for photographers."

Then, from the responses in this thread, I found out that IG was moving to reels; and posted an IG reel and found what I expected:
...Show more

I did check out your instagram by the way- You have some great shots. My favorite being the one looking down the road in Bangkok from a higher vantage point-

You have some nice work Mitch- I wish you luck in getting it out in the way you want.



Jan 20, 2024 at 01:25 PM
RustyBug
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #2 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


RoamingScott wrote:
Use IG as a mini gallery to push people into whatever platform you've standardized on, preferably one you OWN.


I'm totally late to IG ... just getting onboard to make something with in 2024. But, my expectation is mostly THIS ^ .


I'd be curious to hear folks that can specifically quantify a $$$ amount that has been derived from IG leads > Sales.
Scott has told of how his numbers are quantifiably, non-productive. Just wondering if there are others here who can quantify a different level of productivity (leads, conversions, sales, etc. ... not, just likes) derived from IG. Although, I am mostly anticipating a "crickets" concerto.

Forget the number of followers, likes, etc. ... if it isn't convertible traffic to your main site / store / captured mailing list, etc. (you know, tangible marketing), then it's just "feel good stuff" and not strong, viable business (for the sole proprietor). BTW, when was the last time folks took out an ad in the Yellow Pages. They were the "must be" place at one time, and now

With marketing, there are those who opt for the massive numbers of views is necessary to render a 0.0000001% conversion rate into something tangible.

Then, there are those who opt for vastly smaller, targeted numbers of contacts ... but, with higher conversion rates (i.e. 0.01%).



In my new intro to IG REELS ... what a time suck of meaningless sea of BS of a zillion folks sucking up bandwidth, just for the popularity of likes, etc. Are they able to monetize that by selling their popularity ... maybe, but (imo) that's the business of selling likes ... not, selling photography (et al). I'm likely wrong in certain regard, but I think Scott's point about who IG is for vs. who it is not vs. what to expect vs. what not to expect is rooted in the rationale that IG is in the business of selling IG, etc.

That's not to say, I won't post REELS on a periodic basis. I'm thinking it's better to be near the bottom of the REELS circulation, than buried underneath the entirety of REELS (i.e. non-circulation) Not expecting to do much with it ... maybe not even at all in 2024. But, I do acknowledge that IG algorithm's will favor those who participate in REELS more than those who do not.

However, the concept of IG auto-generating meaningful traffic (quantity and/or quality) is not something I'll be holding my breath for. I think that folks have long desired for something that successfully is "auto-generating" ... and, to a large degree ... I figure it is a mythical proposition. Marketing takes more DIRECT effort than most folks want to involve / engage themselves to. And, I think, it is largely an "unspoken" wrt just how much self-promotion effort those who are successful have actually done ... leaving many to think it is easier than it is.

Which leads me to "If it was easy, anyone could do it." ... and yet, most aren't (because, it isn't easy). I say this, as I'm gearing up my own recognition that the folly of mythical / magical marketing is something that has to be replaced by acceptance and engagement to the facts that it will be much more "manual" than "auto". The allure of IG as some form of mythical, magical, marketing ... is mania (imo).



+1 Mini-portfolio: The main door is this > > > way.

A blinking neon sign, in the back-alley, off Broadway ... in case, someone is traveling that way.



Jan 20, 2024 at 01:44 PM
highdesertmesa
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #3 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


A few more random IG thoughts:

Don't forget you can dual-share Reels as Posts, that way the Reel shows up in your main tab and in the Reels tab. I don't really set out to make Reels, but if I shoot video I like and want to share, that's how I share it (versus the old way of making a Post with a video that doesn't go to Reels).

I'm actually surprised they have not moved the Reels tab to the first tab on our profiles and moved Posts to where Reels are.

To make things even weirder, some new users on IG only have saved Stories pinned to their profile – no reels or posts at all, and that's how they use IG.



Jan 20, 2024 at 02:26 PM
retrofocus
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #4 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


All this discussion - interesting to follow though! - wouldn't happen if there was a decent alternative to IG. But there isn't. So many hope for a miracle to happen by adjusting to the algorithms, sort of complying with the new IG style using reels etc etc...fully understandable.

For a short time several YouTubers recommended Twitter to use as photo sharing tool because they received many more followers on this platform. But this all dried up latest when Twitter changed to X. Since then I haven't heard anything about this anymore (I can't tell from personal experience since I never had a Twitter account).

I think we will more likely see a new Leica "EVF M" seeing the light of the day than an alternative free photo platform happening



Jan 20, 2024 at 06:23 PM
intangiblethin
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #5 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


Some people have suggested using (Instagram's) Threads. The photos do look quite nice when you view them as a lightbox. I also spoke to a photographer friend who recently said his main medium was Twitter/X these days instead of IG.

But for however wholesome Threads was in the first few months, it's generally Twitter/X-lite these days.



Jan 20, 2024 at 11:52 PM
stgrove
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #6 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


retrofocus wrote:
All this discussion - interesting to follow though! - wouldn't happen if there was a decent alternative to IG. But there isn't. So many hope for a miracle to happen by adjusting to the algorithms, sort of complying with the new IG style using reels etc etc...fully understandable.

For a short time several YouTubers recommended Twitter to use as photo sharing tool because they received many more followers on this platform. But this all dried up latest when Twitter changed to X. Since then I haven't heard anything about this anymore (I can't tell from personal experience since I never had
...Show more

I hope so on the Leica "EVF M". I keep wondering what they will call it if and when it comes out since to a German M is a RF and nothing more or less.



Jan 21, 2024 at 09:27 AM
retrofocus
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #7 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


stgrove wrote:
I hope so on the Leica "EVF M". I keep wondering what they will call it if and when it comes out since to a German M is a RF and nothing more or less.


My guess is that there will be the traditional M12 which will be hopefully w/o issues the M11 is known for. Maybe M12 comes with IBIS, too.

The EVF-M can be deriving from either the M or the Q-line. Definitely with exchangeable lens mount (hopefully M-mount and not L). If with L-mount, then the adapter game similar to the SL continues when using M lenses on such body. Leica might decide to simply replace the fixed lens Q with a Q4 which in this case more likely has the L-mount to allow AF with L-lenses. I am pretty convinced that the rangefinder M line will stay, then the other EVF-M line option is a separate line itself especially if they want to continue the Q-line as is with fixed lens. It could be named M12-E similar to the former M10-R where R stood for resolution. E could stand for electronic or EVF.



Jan 21, 2024 at 05:06 PM
rscheffler
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #8 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


retrofocus wrote:
All this discussion - interesting to follow though! - wouldn't happen if there was a decent alternative to IG. But there isn't. So many hope for a miracle to happen by adjusting to the algorithms, sort of complying with the new IG style using reels etc etc...fully understandable.


A photographer-centric IG alternative would likely be more niche and may not serve the purposes for many who currently use IG to try to reach a broader audience. Any alternative that wants to compete against IG across a broader market would invariably end up becoming another version of IG.

Sure, if one doesn't care about appeal outside the still photography community, then such an alternative would serve a purpose. Question would be whether it would be financially sustainable and what the longer-term goals of the company would be. Would they be happy to stay relatively small and serve a niche market, or would the intention of the founders be to 'scale' and achieve broader adoption, greater monetization, etc.?

Isn't that kind of what Flickr is? One of my clients uses Flickr for image distribution for attendees of their events to download images. Most under-30s attending these events don't know what Flickr is...



Jan 22, 2024 at 11:38 AM
RustyBug
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #9 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


rscheffler wrote:
A photographer-centric IG alternative would likely be more niche and may not serve the purposes for many who currently use IG to try to reach a broader audience.


I think that is the essence of what IG is about ... quantity (vs. quality), with an additional functionality (hashtags) to try and narrow the broad quantity into something of a more meaningful targeted (lesser) quantity.

Where, the level of activity (active input, i.e. REELS, Stories, etc.) is rewarded with a given level of exposure for the target(s) (hashtags).

Having something "pre-defined" as a photographic-centric would then, pre-narrow that quantity and pre-define the quality. Not necessarily a bad / wrong thing ... but, a different thing. I don't think IG was built to be that narrow, but more of a universally capable application.

But, since it is a universal application ... it means there is a lot more to compete with. Understanding how much it takes to swim in that ocean, may make folks realize they'd prefer to swim in their own backyard, instead.



Jan 22, 2024 at 12:34 PM
modlin
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #10 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


Sorry for my interlude...isn't the ig a training filed for narcs 14-16 y olds to 'improve' their narcs egos?


Jan 22, 2024 at 01:47 PM
RustyBug
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #11 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


modlin wrote:
Sorry for my interlude...isn't the ig a training filed for narcs 14-16 y olds to 'improve' their narcs egos?


In the beginning, not so much. Now ... it ain't a far stretch. And, how much $$$ spend do they have for our market? Yeah, that's part of the sea of IG that is hogging bandwidth and REELS algorithm targets. I think it's kinda like the food chain of catching fish for bait, to catch bigger fish. Hard to know who's the catch, and who's the bait, sometimes.



Jan 22, 2024 at 01:51 PM
PIOK
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #12 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


There is very simple way to get more views ... There is an icon "BOOST POST" - $$$ * now you know why you get very few views. Instagram is not fun anymore


Jan 22, 2024 at 02:14 PM
retrofocus
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #13 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


rscheffler wrote:
A photographer-centric IG alternative would likely be more niche and may not serve the purposes for many who currently use IG to try to reach a broader audience. Any alternative that wants to compete against IG across a broader market would invariably end up becoming another version of IG.

Sure, if one doesn't care about appeal outside the still photography community, then such an alternative would serve a purpose. Question would be whether it would be financially sustainable and what the longer-term goals of the company would be. Would they be happy to stay relatively small and serve a niche market,
...Show more

Agreed - that's why I see any kind of future of purely based photo posting platform in the future being done non-commercially by passionate hobbyists (I made the comparison in one of my earlier posts here with Darktable). Also possible that there will be several smaller ones depending on the kind of photography to be posted. Grainery is sort of an early example here which focuses purely on film photography (but it isn't free either). I wouldn't mind such approach - for example some photo posting tool only for landscapes for example would remove automatically all the glamour/fashion/portrait photos which currently compete on IG with such kind of photography. Other platforms might be selective which kind of gear was used - as shown with LFI galleries (also not free).

But I agree that it is unlikely that something similar to IG is coming abck which will just over time follow the same trend.



Jan 22, 2024 at 02:15 PM
Toothwalker
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #14 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


I had a website, but these days nobody visits a website to look at photographs. Let alone mine. The people around me are not really interested, so basically I have been taking pictures for myself for years. Several people suggested Instagram to me. I am not that fond of social media, but ok. Let's give it a try. Just as an experiment.

So I made an account last summer, posted an image with a few hashtags that I copied from other (street) photographers, and waited for something to happen. By the next day, I had received one like. I posted a few more images, with the same result.

Now, half a year later, each image goes over 400 likes. Experiment succeeded. Likes are nice of course, but my real interest is in engagement, and enjoying the (sometimes) great work of fellow photographers. I have no commercial interests, and don't know where I want to go with IG. We'll see.

Engagement is key to success. If you post an image once a month and sit back with your arms crossed, nothing will happen. Post a few times per week, like the photos of the people you follow (except if they are really bad) and throw in a comment or two. Having many followers does not automatically give you many likes, and it pays to follow back people so long as they i) have material that interests you; ii) are no follow/unfollow crooks; iii) are not sitting back with their arms crossed after posting their own images. You can tell from analyzing their profile/gallery. Personally I also avoid following video-centric accounts, or people who are posting a dozen of images every day, cluttering my feed.

I never go the reels section of an account, but they do appear in my feed from time to time. Fortunately, the algorithm does not bother me with video content, unless I am at the end of my feed. I don't know how IG was before I joined, but I think it is bearable.

These are just my two cents. I think that photographers can still succeed on IG, but you have to work for it.

Oh, and before I forget, posting good photographs also helps.



Jan 22, 2024 at 03:18 PM
RustyBug
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #15 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


Toothwalker wrote:
Engagement is key to success.

you have to work for it.


This ^.



Jan 22, 2024 at 03:41 PM
Mitch Alland
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #16 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


This is an update on earlier post concerning an IG reel that I posted. Since then, I posted the same reel on flickr. The reel is 89 seconds and shows 28 images from an exhibition project, with music.
_______________
Instgram — 273 followers — reel posted 5 days ago
74 views, 4 likes, 0 comments
flickr — 946 followers — reel posted 3 days ago
78 views, 2 likes, 1 comment
________________

The results are dismal on both. @Toothwalker states, "Engagement is key to success." I have had the IG account for five years. Two or three years ago, if I posted one photo almost daily for a month, I would gat 20-50 likes, with a peak of 150 likes. Nine months ago, I posted daily for a month and got 10-15 likes. Last month, I posted daily for two weeks and got 2-4 likes per photo.

The recent drop is in line with what most people have written in this thread.



Jan 22, 2024 at 06:02 PM
RustyBug
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #17 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


Mitch Alland wrote:
This is an update on earlier post concerning an IG reel that I posted. Since then, I posted the same reel on flickr. The reel is 89 seconds and shows 28 images from an exhibition project, with music.
_______________
Instgram — 273 followers — reel posted 5 days ago
74 views, 4 likes, 0 comments
flickr — 946 followers — reel posted 3 days ago
78 views, 2 likes, 1 comment
________________

The results are dismal on both. @Toothwalker@ states, "Engagement is key to success." I have had the IG account for five years. Two or three years ago, if I posted one photo almost daily for
...Show more

What was your # engagement like, to go along with your photo / REEL posting?



Jan 22, 2024 at 10:10 PM
Mitch Alland
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #18 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


^ On flickr, I had over the previous four weeks posted 16 photos; on IG, a little more, and some months previously I had posted 22 of the 28 photos of the exhibition project (an earlier version), with text on the concept and some explanatory text for some of the images.

But my experience on IG has never been good. After my book was published at Offprint Paris, held at the Ecole des beaux-arts during Photo Paris in November 2019, I posted extensively on IG to follow up posts by the Paris photo gallery, where I had book signing in November 2019 and March 2020. As I mentioned earlier, I don't think any of the book sales came from IG. I had a website for the book and the gallery also featured it, together with a special print sale, with which they threw in the book for free. Surprisingly, the biggest chunk of sales were to a bookstore in Oslo, which took 16 books. The book has a complicated foldout structure, which required an active sales effort in the form of demonstration: that worked well for the Oslo bookstore because the two owners sell in a very personal way and know their customers.



Jan 22, 2024 at 11:45 PM
Toothwalker
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #19 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


Mitch Alland wrote:
The results are dismal on both. @Toothwalker@ states, "Engagement is key to success." I have had the IG account for five years. Two or three years ago, if I posted one photo almost daily for a month, I would gat 20-50 likes, with a peak of 150 likes. Nine months ago, I posted daily for a month and got 10-15 likes. Last month, I posted daily for two weeks and got 2-4 likes per photo.


Engagement is not just posting regularly. I looked at your account, and you are following 56 people. I checked the last post of each one (except for a few accounts that are private) and you have liked exactly one of them. Frankly, I am not surprised that you are getting few likes. What goes around comes around. Was your engagement different in the past?






Jan 23, 2024 at 05:19 PM
chez
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #20 · Getting less and less views on Instagram


Toothwalker wrote:
Engagement is not just posting regularly. I looked at your account, and you are following 56 people. I checked the last post of each one (except for a few accounts that are private) and you have liked exactly one of them. Frankly, I am not surprised that you are getting few likes. What goes around comes around. Was your engagement different in the past?



That sounds like “if you scratch my back, I’ll scratch your back”. Is that really the type of likes one wants…sort of “buying” the likes? Does that truly measure one’s success with their photo or is one just artificially stacking on the likes?



Jan 23, 2024 at 05:32 PM
1       2       3       4              6       7       end




FM Forums | Leica & Alternative Gear | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3       4              6       7       end
    
 

Welcome back
Log in to your account