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p.1 #1 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


I own a 28mm and a full frame body. I’ve been thinking of getting a 35mm prime. I hear about it being a favorite prime focal length regardless of platform, so I thought I would pick one up and see whether I like it or my 28mm more.

Though, I’m not sure what to expect. I’ve tried to A/B test it on a zoom, but that seemed to be counterintuitive. I wasn’t learning much and it was awkward and unfun.

So, I thought I’d ask the community: what difference do you see between the two focal lengths? Do you find that each FL does one thing much better than the other? Most importantly, how do you feel about each focal length?



Jan 10, 2024 at 10:02 PM
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p.1 #2 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


I haven't shot with 28mm nearly as much as 35mm, but I've recently gravitated towards it. It really depends what you're shooting.

For walkaround, travel type photos, I've found 35mm to be just a tiny bit tight at times where I can't zoom out with my feet. I like to show context and utilize symmetry and balance heavily in my photos, so the extra width of 28mm gives me the ability to get more in the frame, especially when I'm already close to my subject(s).

For street, specifically taking photos of people, most people seem to agree that 28mm requires you to get too close to your subject, and prefer 35mm. Honestly I think if 28mm isn't long enough to fill the frame/get the composition, 35mm isn't either, but my street shooting is more focused on people and their environment, and not a specific person, so distance to the people is less of an issue.

What I really like about 28mm too is the slight perspective distortion, which can add some depth or pop to the photo depending on the subject and distance to it. 35mm is pretty flat in my experience, and just barely scratches the itch of compression given the right subject.

I think I generally see 28 and 35 as interchangeable for most types of photography, as long as you're not talking scenarios where either one is already a subpar choice (i.e. 28 not being wide enough means 35 definitely isn't, 35 being far too tight might mean 28 is as well).

The biggest thing that's drawn me to 28mm recently is high resolution sensors allowing for deeeeep crops. You can't crop _out_ but you can crop _in_. Shooting with something slightly wider than you might want half the time (or even most of the time) might not be that bad as long as you can comfortably crop your photo. With the 45mp of the R5, 28mm might as well be 35mm. At typical export resolutions you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

That's my two cents. Not like I've been thinking a lot about this exact question recently, or anything.



Jan 10, 2024 at 10:19 PM
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p.1 #3 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


I use both on my R6. I find them both equal in sharpness and contrast. I personally prefer wider angle shooting, so I'm partial to the 28mm.


Jan 11, 2024 at 12:05 AM
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p.1 #4 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


In the Canon system there are a lot more 35mm prime options than there are 28mm, unfortunately, so 35 tends to be a lot more common/popular.

In my other system - Leica M - over the past ~10 years I've gone back and forth between 28 and 35mm and still use both. As @marsguy suggested, it really depends on the situation and subject. 28's wider perspective will include more environment and subject within that environment, though with less separation of the subject from the environment. 35 improves the ability to separate subject from environment, if desired, but you can still include a lot of background environment by stopping down a bit more. 28 will look more like a wide angle shot whereas 35 doesn't make an overly obvious wide angle perspective. There are times when I'll have both lenses in the bag but will predominately use one over the other, simply due to how I see composition of whatever happens to be in front of the camera.

In Leica circles, when the discussion about picking only one lens comes up, the popular choice tends to be 35mm as it's a blend of moderate wide angle characteristics and that of 50mm's ability to provide some separation.

I really think there is a place for both but if I'm going to be carrying a few primes, I'll generally skip the next common focal length. Meaning, I'll carry 21, 28, 50 and 90. Or just 28 and 50. Those who prefer 35 will probably instead use 24 for wide and maybe 75/85 for long. In Leica circles, common two-lens pairings are 28-50 and 35-75. Some might do 35-50. I don't recall 28-35 being mentioned much, if at all. Sure, they're different, but still pretty close together.

As a long-time Canon user, I was not much of a 28mm fan until midway through my more recent Leica ownership. I thought it was too boring, not wide enough. I changed my mind. While it's not going to allow the more dramatic perspectives of 24mm and wider, it also doesn't overly stretch and distort people within the image periphery, allowing for close-in, immersive compositions without screaming wide angle. And I think that is what I like best about it - it lets me get closer to and more intimate with the subject.

Maybe that's also a reason why Leica chose to use 28mm for their Q line of fixed-lens compacts. Combined with ~45MP sensors in the later models, as @marsguy suggested, cropping is a reasonable option, and Leica actively encourages it to achieve 35, 50, 75mm angles of view.

If you have money to burn, a cool lens/framing comparison would be the Leica Q with 28mm and Sony RX1 with 35mm (perhaps one of the best 35mm lenses in respect to 'look'). Though apparently the RX1's lens is a bit wider than 35mm, so differences in framing/perspective would be somewhat diminished.



Jan 11, 2024 at 12:18 AM
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p.1 #5 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


28mm is a wide, 35mm is not, more a normal lens.

28 is the start of being able to put something at your feet in the foreground. Used to prefer 35mm. Big difference, of course, cropping 28 to 35mm isn't a big crop, probably a great place to start



Jan 11, 2024 at 01:04 AM
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p.1 #6 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


It used to be said that if you carried a 50mm lens you should carry a 28mm and 100mm, and if you carried a 35mm you should carry an 85mm and 135mm.

28mm and 35mm are noticeably different, but in an era where people did without zooms, you often had to compromise on the framing or crop later.

I last seriously used a 28mm prime with my Olympus OM film cameras, and, yes, I would carry it with my 50mm and 100mm as a set. But it was very small, and I also had the 24mm, which turned out to be my favourite lens. Sometimes I would carry both; in the Canon EF system this translated to a 16–35mm zoom.

28mm also sometimes suffered from the stigma of being “baby’s first wide angle”. It was for me too. When people graduated from their first kit they naturally wanted more wideness. This may be why Canon never put much effort into 28mm lenses.

I do have two 35mm primes, one for my Canon system and one fixed on my Sony RX1. I went through a stage, or maybe exercise, of taking just the Sony and shooting only with that 35mm. There were many lost opportunities, and I somewhat regret it, although on the other hand there were times that if I hadn’t taken the Sony I wouldn’t have taken a camera at all. I now don’t think the advice sometimes given to shoot with only 35mm for a while is good advice. I think the OP should resist peer pressure to do so. It sounds as if they are like me and just don’t care for the focal length much.



Jan 11, 2024 at 01:42 AM
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p.1 #7 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


I have the 28,35 and 40
Of the 3 I find the 35 to be the most awkward to use. I’m aware it’s considered a legendary photojournalism lens, but I find it hard work. Not wide enough nor long enough.
24 is great for close ups to give that wide view without the severe distortion of ultra wides.
But for day to day I’m preferring the 28, probably because it’s the same focal length as my iPhone - by far my most used camera of choice these days.




Jan 11, 2024 at 02:46 AM
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p.1 #8 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


Yes, I see a "big" difference between 28 and 35 mm. I very much like 28 mm, for the same reasons as the others who have posted here.

I also like 35 mm, which I find similar to 40 mm. Those focal lengths are the most "neutral" or "normal" to me. I find 50 mm more like a short tele than a normal. All on full frame of course.



Jan 11, 2024 at 05:29 AM
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p.1 #9 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


Deciding between a 28mm and a 35mm prime lens for your full-frame camera involves considerations of personal shooting style and the types of subjects you frequently capture. The 28mm lens offers a broader field of view, making it suitable for expansive scenes and environmental portraits. However, it may exhibit more distortion, which can be creatively harnessed or corrected in post-processing. On the other hand, the 35mm lens is often valued for its versatility, providing a balanced perspective between wide-angle and standard views. It is commonly used in street photography, portraits, and various everyday settings, offering a more natural perspective. The choice between these two focal lengths might also hinge on your preferred genres and shooting scenarios. It's advisable to experiment with both lenses in different situations to grasp their strengths and limitations. Additionally, seeking insights from photography communities can offer valuable perspectives and experiences from photographers who have extensively used both focal lengths. Ultimately, the decision rests on your personal preferences and the visual storytelling you wish to convey through your photography.


Jan 11, 2024 at 06:06 AM
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p.1 #10 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


Over the last few years, I sold off all my primes (24, 28, 35, 50, 60, 85, 100, 135, 200) in favor of 24-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 zooms. In the end, I replaced my 35 f2 with the 35 IS, and the 100 macro with the 100L macro. The macro was an easy decision. The 35 IS came a bit harder; I frequently found it too short. When I want something a bit longer, I shoot it on aps-c. If I need wider, I have the 24-70. It kind of surprises me that I find the 24-70 on my 90D more often than on the 6D2.


Jan 11, 2024 at 06:18 AM
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p.1 #11 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


Any time I want to appreciate the difference between different focal lengths, and not futz around with changing lenses, I use the anthro-chart shown below. Simply hold your arms straight out, in front of you, and sight between the marks.

So, the difference in AOV between 28mm and 35mm, is about the same as the difference betwen holding your hands three feet apart (28mm), and two feet apart (35mm). This is for full frame (24mm x 36mm) images.



© jcolwell 2005-2024


Horizontal angle of view, using arms and hands.




Jan 11, 2024 at 07:06 AM
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p.1 #12 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


I got the 35L v1 and 35/2 ZE two times and sold all. Of some reason I just did not like the field of view of a 35mm. I got the 28/2 ZE and now the RF 28 and like them both very much. I like the FoV of the 40 pancake too. This is probably once again one of those personal things. And those can change with time.


Jan 11, 2024 at 07:23 AM
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p.1 #13 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


Many years ago using the FD system, before zooms, 24mm, 35mm and 100mm was the basic lens set covering most situations. The 28mm would have been an option if only 2 lenses were considered, a compromise between 24 and 35, eg., if shooting with 2 bodies in adverse conditions (light rain, dust) and trying to avoid lens changes. As other have said in this thread, while the mm count is small there are definite differences from 28mm to 35mm or from 28mm to 24mm. My only prime in the age of zooms in this range is now the 35mm, for casual street photography or indoors ambience. Anything wider lacks intimacy, if that is the right word, and a narrower FL such as 50mm is too tight to bring all elements into the picture. Opinions of course, we all have our own styles and habits.


Jan 11, 2024 at 08:28 AM
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p.1 #14 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


28mm is 1.2x wider than 35mm, while 35mm is 1.37x wider than 50mm.

28mm is 1.67x wider than 50mm, and I think that makes them pair a lot better for my uses than a 35mm.




Jan 11, 2024 at 09:48 AM
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p.1 #15 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


rscheffler wrote:
In the Canon system there are a lot more 35mm prime options than there are 28mm, unfortunately, so 35 tends to be a lot more common/popular.

Yes, I think that has been true for the entire digital era across most camera brands, in fact.

This is somewhat ironic to me, being old enough to remember the days when the "kit lens" was frequently a 50mm prime. In those days, 28mm was easily the most popular wide angle addition to a basic film photography kit. In fact, I think some "serious" photographers (me, haha) would avoid this focal length as being too "common".

My recollection is that 35mm has always had its fans, but it is interesting how the 28mm has become more of a niche focal length over time.

I do personally prefer 35mm, paired with something wider than 28mm. But it is interesting to see both Nikon and Canon recently introduce affordable "everyman" 28mm f/2.8 lenses. Maybe more people will rediscover this focal length.



Jan 11, 2024 at 10:32 AM
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p.1 #16 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


Following Rivermist's lead: On my long time use Pentax Spotmatic I had 28, 50, 150, and 300 mm lenses. The two wider primes somehow always felt too tight for my use of them. I admit that if I look at the focal length distribution of my 24-105 usage this century, I don't shun those FLs, but for primes I now prefer 20, 24, and 35 at the wider end. The f4 L zooms are my preferred lenses nowadays and the primes get a lot less use.


Jan 11, 2024 at 11:13 AM
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p.1 #17 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


kakomu wrote:
I own a 28mm and a full frame body. I’ve been thinking of getting a 35mm prime. I hear about it being a favorite prime focal length regardless of platform, so I thought I would pick one up and see whether I like it or my 28mm more.

Though, I’m not sure what to expect. I’ve tried to A/B test it on a zoom, but that seemed to be counterintuitive. I wasn’t learning much and it was awkward and unfun.

So, I thought I’d ask the community: what difference do you see between the two focal lengths? Do you find that
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There are several ways to think about this.

The difference between 28mm and 35mm is visible but rather small. (If you do a bit of googling you can find online simulators and example photographs that will help you see this. Here is one example.)

35mm focal lengths have long been popular, especially for subjects like street photography where one lens has to somehow balance the desire for wider coverage and not losing subjects in the background. It is usually regarded as a moderate wide angle lens, perhaps just a bit wider than the (very nebulous) lower limit of “normal” lenses.

But 28mm lenses have also long been popular among those who feel slightly constrained by the 35mm focal length. It isn’t better or worse than 35mm, must a little wider.

There’s nothing that says you have to own either of these lenses, much less both of them… unless you can articulate some particular need in your own photography that is fulfilled by such focal lengths. (And if you go back and forth a lot, you may well be better off with a zoom lens that covers this range. All decisions about photo equipment are compromises, and for some the zoom is the better compromise.)

The number of people who actually get a big photographic benefit from having both 28mm and 35mm primes is quite small — vanishingly small, I’d say. If you are using primes for something like street photography because of the small size and quick operation, you’d more likely get used to one of the two and avoid lens switching for such a small difference. In other words, most people are going to pick one or the other.

Part of the decision depends on what other lenses you use — for most people lenses don’t exist in a vacuum, but are part of a system of several lenses. For example, if you have a 24mm lens, you would likely get more benefit from a 35mm lens than a 28mm due to the somewhat larger gap between them. However, if you have a 50mm and a16mm lens already, perhaps the 28mm would be more useful. (NOTE: I edited this paragraph after the fact since my original examples didn’t quite make the intended point.)

If you are trying to figure out which you prefer, take a zoom lens out and set it to one of these focal lengths and shoot a lot. then do the same with the other focal length. You’ll quickly get an intuitive sense of which you like and how they work.

Finally, in my experience using small primes for street and travel photography, I have come to think that having the supposedly perfect focal length (or having a ton of them) available is less important than you think. (If not, get a zoom.) We learn quickly to “see with the lens on the camera” in a lot of situations, and we simply make quick adjustments to the composition in the context of the lens on the camera.

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Jan 11, 2024 at 11:25 AM
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p.1 #18 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


In the DSLR era and even a while into the mirrorless era, it has been "mission impossible" to find a reasonably small and reasonably fast 28 mm prime with excellent image quality. The Zeiss Distagon 2/28 was inferior to the 2/35. The Canon EF 28/1.8 is extremely soft towards the corners. Then we had the Otus and the Art, which are good and fast but big. The newer EF 28 IS is decent and the RF 28 is very good, but f/2.8 is not on the fast side of things for a moderate focal length prime.




Jan 11, 2024 at 11:35 AM
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p.1 #19 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


alundeb wrote:
In the DSLR era and even a while into the mirrorless era, it has been "mission impossible" to find a reasonably small and reasonably fast 28 mm prime with excellent image quality. The Zeiss Distagon 2/28 was inferior to the 2/35. The Canon EF 28/1.8 is extremely soft towards the corners. Then we had the Otus and the Art, which are good and fast but big. The newer EF 28 IS is decent and the RF 28 is very good, but f/2.8 is not on the fast side of things for a moderate focal length prime.



I've been looking lately and come to a similar conclusion. The biggest temptation for me is to have a dedicated Fuji setup with their excellent 18/1.4 which produces a 27-28mm FOV and will provide more shallow DoF when desired. If you haven't, check out some sample photos. It is an expensive 28mm lens certainly, but the results speak for themselves. If Fuji releases an X-E5 or X-T40, I will be very tempted to pick one up and pair it with the 18/1.4, if my experiment with the X100V + 18mm WCL conversion lens proves I like 28mm as much as I think I do. My R5 setup is great, but inconspicuous it is not, and 28mm lends itself to casual/lifestyle photography IMO where I wouldn't necessarily want/use my big/expensive R5 anyway.



Jan 11, 2024 at 11:40 AM
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p.1 #20 · Do you see a big difference between 28mm and 35mm?


alundeb wrote:
In the DSLR era and even a while into the mirrorless era, it has been "mission impossible" to find a reasonably small and reasonably fast 28 mm prime with excellent image quality. The Zeiss Distagon 2/28 was inferior to the 2/35. The Canon EF 28/1.8 is extremely soft towards the corners. Then we had the Otus and the Art, which are good and fast but big. The newer EF 28 IS is decent and the RF 28 is very good, but f/2.8 is not on the fast side of things for a moderate focal length prime.



I have the EF 28mm f/1.8 and I really like it. The soft corners thing doesn't really concern me, because the center is sharp enough for any reasonable subject.

The wide aperture can give me some spectacular special effects when I shoot a subject up close. Something I can't really get if I get the sharper 28mm f/2.8. It's also really small and easy to carry. Practically, it's the same size and only 1.5oz heavier than the f/2.8 IS version.

I've pared my kit down to two zooms and 1 prime. I was hesitant about whether I should continue with the 28mm f/1.8 or move to the more expensive 35mm f/2 IS. The more I read, the more I think it won't matter in the grand scheme of things and I'd be better off just sticking with what I have and not coveting new things.

Now, the 24-105 f/4L vs the 24-70 f/4L on the other hand...



Jan 11, 2024 at 12:59 PM
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