p.2 #2 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
If your primary goal is to have a 70-200 2.8 with great IQ, and don't value the benefits of the GM2 (weight, max FPS, TC usage, focus benefits etc.) then I'm sure it's a great choice. For me I need a 70-200 for multiple uses where I value those items, so my GM2 is going nowhere.
As for the TC's, I don't think it can be overstated how small they are, and even the 2xTC on the GM2, when you factor in the lightweight of the lens, make it a very easy lens to shoot for extended periods of time. I'm guessing the above comment will be able to be echoed for the new 300 2.8 as well.
p.2 #3 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
Canadian prices -
Tamron - 1700
Sigma - 2100
G II F4 - 2300
GM II - 3500
I prefer the build quality of Sigma, it's as good as Sony. As much as I love my Tamron 50-400 its cheap shiny plastic finish is such a vibe killer.
Sigma is heaviest but has best stabilization in the reviews.
Weight itself is not as such a big issue as weight distribution, carrying a GM II at 1045g feels better than GM 135 at 950g because 135 is so front heavy. Whereas Samyang struck the best balance among all 135s. Same with GM 50 1.4 and 1.2, on paper as well as holding the lens only in the hand, it's a huge weight difference but mounted on body feels negligible (Not talking about you Samyang tiny 24,35, 70 and Sigma i series owners .).
p.2 #5 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
aCuria wrote:
Does anyone else think its odd that the zoom ring is on the end of the barrel?
I agree that it's a little odd, but ergonomically it works for the way that I hold long lenses. I find that I'm steadiest when I hold a lens at the end of the barrel.
p.2 #6 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
nicephore wrote:
Finally Damien's review (sorry it's in french) who does compare the Sigma DN with the Tamron G2 and the Sony GM2 :
A few take aways :
- Image Quality :
a) Sharpness is very close with these 3 zooms (he had to go through 200% magnification to see small differences).
Interestingly (or not), he saw a slight better sharpness of the Sigma vs GM II in the corners at 200mm wide open.
Closing the aperture and we won't see any difference at all.
b) Bokeh : GMII and Sigma have a better bokeh than the Tamron (portaits with trees in background) and bokeh shapes are slightly better than with the Tamron.
- AF success rate on moving sujbect towards the photographer : Tamron and Sigma have a very similar succes rate. GMII is better.
- Stabilization : he does confirm Gerald's analysis and does state that Sigma stabilization is even better than the GMII stab.
- Ergonomics : Tamron & Sigma zoom and focus rings have a reverse position vs GMII (not good handling/ergonomics).
- Build quality : Sigma and GMII are clearly ahead of Tamron (in terms of build materials quality, internal zooming -> whether sealing).
GMII has off course all the bells and whistles (TC compatibility and speed limits, internal focus breathing compensation, ...you name it)...Show more →
I had the gm ii with my a7r5, on testing the handholding at 85mm is WORSE than my non stabilised 85mm DG DN... Could be the 85mm is lighter, but the oss in 70-200mm gm ii is very underwhelming.
p.2 #7 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
berimbolo wrote:
Wish the third party lenses were TC compatible...
The Sony teleconverters do mount on this lens and some of the other Sigma DG DN lenses. It seems to me that the Sigma lens firmware doesn't properly handle whatever the Sony teleconverters add electronically. I am pretty certain it is a lens firmware issue because Sony didn't need to update any camera bodies to support the teleconverters, and they haven't updated the teleconverter firmware either despite releasing new lenses that are compatible with them. My Sigma 100-400 mostly works on the Sony 1.4x after a power cycle.
Sigma may have some agreement with Sony not to make their lenses work with teleconverters, but then why make their lenses mechanically compatible with them? The Tamron lenses which seem to have plenty of room to mount on the Sony teleconverters as far as their optically design, have baffles at their mounts that mechanically block the Sony FE teleconverters.
p.2 #8 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
QuietOC wrote:
The Sony teleconverters do mount on this lens and some of the other Sigma DG DN lenses. It seems to me that the Sigma lens firmware doesn't properly handle whatever the Sony teleconverters add electronically. I am pretty certain it is a lens firmware issue because Sony didn't need to update any camera bodies to support the teleconverters, and they haven't updated the teleconverter firmware either despite releasing new lenses that are compatible with them. My Sigma 100-400 mostly works on the Sony 1.4x after a power cycle.
Sigma may have some agreement with Sony not to make their lenses work with teleconverters, but then why make their lenses mechanically compatible with them? The Tamron lenses which seem to have plenty of room to mount on the Sony teleconverters as far as their optically design, have baffles at their mounts that mechanically block the Sony FE teleconverters. ...Show more →
p.2 #9 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
QuietOC wrote:
The Sony teleconverters do mount on this lens and some of the other Sigma DG DN lenses. It seems to me that the Sigma lens firmware doesn't properly handle whatever the Sony teleconverters add electronically. I am pretty certain it is a lens firmware issue because Sony didn't need to update any camera bodies to support the teleconverters, and they haven't updated the teleconverter firmware either despite releasing new lenses that are compatible with them. My Sigma 100-400 mostly works on the Sony 1.4x after a power cycle.
Sigma may have some agreement with Sony not to make their lenses work with teleconverters, but then why make their lenses mechanically compatible with them? The Tamron lenses which seem to have plenty of room to mount on the Sony teleconverters as far as their optically design, have baffles at their mounts that mechanically block the Sony FE teleconverters. ...Show more →
This Sigma lens is also sold for the L-mount, where teleconverters are not restricted by one manufacturer's cynical licencing restrictions and legal threats, so you can use the L-mount Sigma TC with it.
Therefore the rearmost optical components of this lens had to be spaced far enough away from the sensor (which is a constant, regardless of mount, if you want to save work and design lenses with multi-mount compatibility like Sigma does) to accommodate the elements and long nose of a TC. So it had to be physically compatible anyway.
And it is a good thing to at least have physical compatibility. I presume this means that the lens works in manual focus with the TC, at least? So if you're a landscape shooter who just needs to reach a bit further, you can still use a Sony TC? I'm glad Sigma didn't add any extra baffles to block the physical shape of the TC from fitting in.
I agree that Sony should let the old legal/licencing restriction on TC compatibility die off. It's their fault, not Sigma's in any way, that the lens can't autofocus with TCs.
p.2 #11 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
Definitely really late to the game with some hype.
Man I don't know about others but that lens hood design is a real slip up. Not only does it cover part of the zoom ring but you can't reverse mount it as it will then fully block the zoom ring. I guess that part was cost cutting measure not sure. It's probably going to be a tossup between the new sigma and tamron g2. The sigma's IQ has a slight edge over the tamron g2 but I am sure sample variation will play a role as well.
Still it's good that we just get more options. The GMII remains king by a good margin. I am super happy with my GM II. Couldn't ask for a more perfect lens.
p.2 #12 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
What I really need now is not another me too 70-200/2.8.I need very,very compact and lightweight 70-200/4 or even 70-300/4-5.6,but sharp.Just something like Sony 28-60/4.5-5.6.
p.2 #14 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
robert614 wrote:
Not in the market for a 70-200. But if I was, the fact that the zoom ring is at the end of the barrel is a non starter for me.
Optics looks good. As does the price. But that zoom ring would drive me crazy! 😂
Is it a consistency (among your lenses) and muscle memory thing, or is it particular to shorter tele zoom lenses?
I've never had a fast 70-200 type lens but for instance the Tamron 28-75 g2 has the zoom ring in front, but it's a relatively short lens and the zoom ring is very grippy and nice. Same with the 200-600, zoom in front but very grippy and quick and no bother in use. I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from
p.2 #15 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
kaldur wrote:
Is it a consistency (among your lenses) and muscle memory thing, or is it particular to shorter tele zoom lenses?
I've never had a fast 70-200 type lens but for instance the Tamron 28-75 g2 has the zoom ring in front, but it's a relatively short lens and the zoom ring is very grippy and nice. Same with the 200-600, zoom in front but very grippy and quick and no bother in use. I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from
Definitely a consistency thing. All my other zooms have the zoom ring closer to the body. And the manual focus ring towards the end of the barrel. Also the zoom ring turns opposite to the direction the Sigma uses.
Switching back and forth would definitely throw me off.
p.2 #17 · Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports for Sony E and Leica L
Ok, I compared both.
Except for the size and weight, the Sigma is better in every way.
The bokeh is significantly nicer and better. The quality of the lens is super high quality. The Tamron feels pretty cheap to the touch. It feels very cheap and smooth when turning the zoom ring.
With a price difference of only 200 EUR, I would always prefer the Sigma if the weight and size are okay.
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