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smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

rek101
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

For those who check the rumor sites or know about technology, how far away is Canon from creating features that automatically trigger the shutter release when some of these parameters are met. I know AI culling software can do this and I doubt I'd want to use something like this all time time, but if I was taking family group portraits and setting a camera on a tripod, I'd love to set it to 6 frames per second continuous and have it grab the 20 best shots captured based on the culling software algorithms. Or even better, it only takes a shot when the parameters are met. Is this coming any time soon?

Oct 23, 2023 at 06:44 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

I'd be happy finding great light in a landscape free of human beings.

Oct 23, 2023 at 06:54 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

rek101 wrote:
Or even better, it only takes a shot when the parameters are met. Is this coming any time soon?

Can you imagine the bitching and complaining we would be hearing if the camera didn't fire until it "thought" the right moment happened? Haha! We already here it from folks that haven't figured out their camera yet and blame it all on the camera and not the user. I myself wouldn't ever want such a thing. But then again, I'm somewhat of a control freak and want to be in control of what images I take.

Now what about this AI culling software in which you speak?

I had no idea there was such a thing. Is there one out there that will automatically delete completely oof shots and ones that are too blurry from motion blur or camera shake? I'd be very interested in something like that. Not that I ever take oof images of course.

Oct 23, 2023 at 06:59 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

Smile and blink detection has been included in point and shoot cameras for years. The technology is problematic however as people look different so the camera doesn't always read the faces correctly.
Using AI culling and simple layer stacking/masking is the best way to go now and in the foreseeable future.

Oct 23, 2023 at 09:21 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

Ah, the Camera of the future.
It ventures out on a Drone, on its own seeking an image situation that, through AI "knows" you'll be elated with.
Come's back home and automatically loads the files into an image editing program, which through AI produce's a perfect image, which when finished, automatically transfer's the file to your printer, which by AI load's the most ideal media for each image to produce a perfect print of the most appropriate size.
From there the Printer transfer's the prints to the automatic, AI operated Matting & Framing machine.
And another day of enjoyable photography come to a close.

Oct 23, 2023 at 10:01 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

I am mostly satisfied with the technology of the 1860s through 1890s when the SLR was invented, and interchangeable lenses were added. One of the most perfect cameras I've ever used was the Mamiya 6 iv B; it doesn't even have a meter. Granted, field sports and action photography would be REALLY challenging. I still shoot film, so mostly have no idea what I've actually captured until days/weeks after releasing the shutter. I love the process of photography. Results be what they may, the joy of photography is in the 'doing'. I don't need a computer to decide when to release the shutter.

Oct 24, 2023 at 03:03 AM

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Sy Sez wrote:
Ah, the Camera of the future.
It ventures out on a Drone, on its own seeking an image situation that, through AI "knows" you'll be elated with.
Come's back home and automatically loads the files into an image editing program, which through AI produce's a perfect image, which when finished, automatically transfer's the file to your printer, which by AI load's the most ideal media for each image to produce a perfect print of the most appropriate size.
From there the Printer transfer's the prints to the automatic, AI operated Matting & Framing machine.
And another day of enjoyable photography come to a...Show more →

Well the system that at one point was in place that did this was created I believe by Nikon in one of the Disney parks. It was years ago, but there was a setup with I think a couple of Nikon D850s which took photos of families and the cameras were triggered by whatever the software deemed the best expressions. It fired off a few shots and I think the family chose their favorite, but it was a photo booth on steroids. Since the culling software sorts and groups photos and tells you which shots have the most smiles with eyes open and tags them green, I don't think it would be the worst idea to have a self timer mode with shot select or auto shutter trigger based on some preferences. Maybe this really isn't AI...just a way to take a family self portrait on the fly.

Oct 24, 2023 at 04:58 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

Sy Sez wrote:
Ah, the Camera of the future.
It ventures out on a Drone, on its own seeking an image situation that, through AI "knows" you'll be elated with.
Come's back home and ...

That's what it might tell you, but it actually spent the whole time in a bowling alley, and just 'imagined' your images.

Oct 24, 2023 at 06:07 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

I agree 100% Gochugogi! I spend way to much time post processing people out of landscapes!

Oct 24, 2023 at 06:08 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

Just joking, of course; but I have a friend who's an avid Formula-One race devotee, and one day he was boasting to me that the cars now had automatic "this", & automatic "that", and a listing of all the things the Driver's no longer had to do.

I waited until he finished, and replied, " I guess, before long, they won't need the Driver"

Oct 24, 2023 at 07:48 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

I only mention this because my first digital rebel from many years ago had a rudimentary implementation of this feature: Auto DoF priority mode. It was obviously meant for beginners on the old rebels, but you would focus on one object, then focus on another object, and then it would pick the aperture and ideal middle focus distance for exposure to try to ensure both are in focus.

I know we can all select an aperture on this site, but it would be kinda neat to have a feature like this since it can detect many faces at once and determine how in/out of focus each face is, and with the current technology could be practically instantaneous = constantly adjusting aperture, ideal focus distance, and exposure settings before each exposure while maintaining an as-wide-as-possible aperture. For someone working quickly snapping group shots, this could be really nice.

Oct 24, 2023 at 09:48 AM

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amacal1 wrote:
I only mention this because my first digital rebel from many years ago had a rudimentary implementation of this feature: Auto DoF priority mode. It was obviously meant for beginners on the old rebels, but you would focus on one object, then focus on another object, and then it would pick the aperture and ideal middle focus distance for exposure to try to ensure both are in focus.

I know we can all select an aperture on this site, but it would be kinda neat to have a feature like this since it can detect many faces at once and...Show more →

The first edition of this feature was called DEP mode—1990s EOS. You picked the near and far points and the camera picked the aperture and hyperfocal distance ideal for a 8x12 print. I think a later variant was called ADEP—probably on Rebels and Elan—and the process became automated to one shutter press. ADEP Didn't work as well as DEP.

Some 90s Rebels also had soft focus mode where the camera took two images, one in focus and another out of focus and combined into a single frame. Made for more flattering vacation selfies straight from drugstore print machines.

Oct 24, 2023 at 03:29 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

Brilliant idea. I can't think of anything that would go wrong with a setup like this. Nothing.

Oct 25, 2023 at 01:51 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

The short and simple answer, I wouldn't expect a feature like that on a camera in the next decade. It's easy to do all of the processing on a desktop processor than can consume 100 watts or more, but it's a bit harder to do that in camera. Comparing a post process which can be done asynchronously to image capture versus doing it in real time while capturing images on the fly, the real time detection would be an order of magnitude harder to do. As stated it might be implemented in point and shoot cameras, but it's likely a very crude version compared to what AI can do with far more time and processing power.

EDIT: To add to that, expect that feature to show up on smart phones first, and then give a life cycle or two of dedicated cameras before it would even be considered refined enough to implement.

Oct 25, 2023 at 08:51 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · smile, eyes open, and full face visible detection

bman212121 wrote:
The short and simple answer, I wouldn't expect a feature like that on a camera in the next decade...

It's going to be here any minute. It probably is in some current devices, but a simple search effort didn't turn up anything recognizable from brand ads.

Here's a quick survey of relevant research papers on the topic. It's not a complete list (by any measure), but it shows the rapid development since 2012 (and earlier, of course).

Note that, the most recent paper cited below, discusses algrorithm implementation "using general cameras". That's what we're talking about, here. No doubt, there are parallel tracks of product development, in phase with these academic publications. The closer the academic papers get to describing how it actually works (even conceptually), the closer we are to product release. It appears that current papers are discussing this level of detail, and so it's very likely that devices using these technologies are actually in production.

[2012] Eye-blink detection system for human–computer interaction,
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10209-011-0256-6

[2016] Real-Time Eye Blink Detection using Facial Landmarks,
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Real-Time-Eye-Blink-Detection-using-Facial-Soukupov%C3%A1-Cech/4fa1ba3531219ca8c39d8749160faf1a877f2ced

[2018] Efficient Eye-Blinking Detection on Smartphones: A Hybrid Approach Based on Deep Learning,
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/misy/2018/6929762/

[2018] Robust Eye Blink Detection Based on Eye Landmarks and Savitzky–Golay Filtering,
https://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/9/4/93

[2020] Event-Based Face Detection and Tracking Using the Dynamics of Eye Blinks,
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2020.00587/full

[2021] Real-time face & eye tracking and blink detection using event cameras,
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0893608021001076

[2023] Real-time eye blink detection using general cameras: a facial landmarks approach,
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/374379383_Real-time_eye_blink_detection_using_general_cameras_a_facial_landmarks_approach

P.S. Combined with facial recognition, this will enable the photographer to tell the camera to wait until the boss is smiling.

Oct 26, 2023 at 07:01 AM


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