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adcimagery wrote:
Also worth mentioning that the usefulness of VR/IS falls off with closer focus, and as a result, it really seems that the Sony 90 doesn't have much over the Sigma, particularly when comparing for price.


Didn't realize that! Thanks for that info!



Jul 10, 2023 at 06:59 AM
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Hey Guys,

I asked recently what was the best Sony for wildlife which gave me lots of lenses and cameras to lookup. The other facet of photography which I tend to do is macro photography. I bumped into some reviews stating that some of the Sony cameras didn’t do well in low light. As macro is often done with minimal lighting I thought I would ask the question what are people using in terms of cameras and lenses in the Sony world of macro

Thanks in advance


As a somewhat recent convert to the A7RV and Sony, I had to ask myself some hard questions, one of which was, do I really do macro, or do I do "near-macro"... because I wanted to whittle down my enormous kit from my previous brand of nearly 40 yrs down to only stuff I'd actually use in the Sony universe. Looking back at lots of pic's I took, I found I did a lot of near-macro, and not so much what I'd call true macro.

With that in mind, I'm going to suggest something that may seem off the wall. The Tamron 70-180mm Di III was what I first considered, but I ended up going with the Sony 70-200mm GM OSS II. It close focuses, has blinding A/F speed, is constant F2.8, and with the A7RV, you have pixels to spare for crazy amounts of cropping, and if your near-macro subject is on the move, you will come to appreciate the speed, OSS and focus limiter options. The bonus is this lens give near prime like results across the range, so it is truly an all-rounder. Add extension tubes (I haven't tried them yet) and you can get even closer for your 1-1 stuff and still retain A/F with the right tubes.


Some random near-macro shots, PP'd to my taste.

Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II ƒ/2.8 200.0 mm 1/1600 iso500


Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II ƒ/2.8 200.0 mm 1/1600 iso400


Sony ILCE-7RM5 FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II ƒ/2.8 200.0 mm 1/1250 iso640




Jul 10, 2023 at 08:56 AM
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AZHeaven wrote:
Didn't realize that! Thanks for that info!


Happy to share it! It's not particularly intuitive, and I think mfgs are working on it - supposedly the RF macro has a different implementation that is supposed to help, but I haven't tested it.



Jul 10, 2023 at 10:11 AM
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I have both the Sony 90mm macro and the 50mm macro. I think the 50 macro is just more fun to shoot with, but like both lenses a lot.



Jul 10, 2023 at 01:35 PM
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p.2 #5 · Best Sony for Macro


“Macro” covers a lot of territory in terms of subject matter and magnification. The higher the magnification, the greater the need for a sturdy tripod, precision head, and perhaps lighting. For the amazing 100-frame stacked bug portraits, you’d also need a sled and software.

From infinity down to 1:2 magnification, there are near infinite options. You don’t necessarily need a dedicated macro lens. Several GM lenses focus natively up to ~1:3: 35, 50, 135 GM. Pop an extension tube half the length of focal length of a lens onto the setup, and you are at 1:2…for $30 plus a lens you already own: 17mm extension on a 35mm lens, 25mm extension on a 50mm lens…. That route will have tight working distance for wide lenses, but 50mm lens working distance is fine for most subjects. 50GM plus a tube is a lovely setup.

If you want greater magnification or working distance, especially with moving subjects, then a ~100mm or longer macro lens is helpful. Sony 90, third party 100 or 105 or 180. If your subject is not moving, manual focus lenses can be higher quality options or provide greater versatility in use cases. For instance, the Canon or Nikon mount Zeiss ZE or ZF.2 50mm f/2 is a compact macro lens (even with adapter) that is also among my favorite landscape lenses.

My go-to for static subjects is the Leica R 100/2.8 macro, a fully manual lens, which is good also for landscape and nice as well for portraits. The Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 100/2 is also nice and yields a bit more 3D character but has some CA, making it less good for landscape.

I seldom shoot greater mag than 1:2, and over the last two years, most of the close up work I have done, I have used either the 135GM native or the 50GM on a 8-25mm tube.

If you want mags beyond 1:1, there is only one realistic contender: the Canon MP-E macro…and likely some lighting and a really solid tripod + a nice rail.

Jim



Jul 10, 2023 at 01:56 PM
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Laowa has options beyond 1:1 as well.



Jul 10, 2023 at 02:00 PM
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Laowa has options beyond 1:1 as well.


That have poorer sharpness and greater CA than the venerable Canon lens. I was disappointed about that, as I think that the Canon is something like a 40-year old design.



Jul 10, 2023 at 02:11 PM
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Interesting, I've heard good things about the 2x 100 and 90 APOs...granted they are only 2x.

Grenache wrote:
That have poorer sharpness and greater CA than the venerable Canon lens. I was disappointed about that, as I think that the Canon is something like a 40-year old design.





Jul 10, 2023 at 02:15 PM
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Another vote for the Sony 90mm f2.8 Macro
https://photos.smugmug.com/MG-Arboretum-5-13-23/i-Ggw424h/0/0a9ae840/X2/MG101816-Xl.jpg



Jul 10, 2023 at 02:19 PM
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Interesting, I've heard good things about the 2x 100 and 90 APOs...granted they are only 2x.



I don’t know about the 2x “only” lenses, but the 2x-5x are disappointing…from Mikaton and Laowa.





Jul 10, 2023 at 02:57 PM
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For "casual" usage, where 1:2 to 1:1 often is adequate, of flowers, bigger insects or reptiles, but also perhaps also for some architecture, landscape, and portraits, I would choose one of the below:

Voigtländer 65mm f/2 Macro 1:2 APO-Lanthar
Voigtländer 110mm f/2.5 Macro 1:1 APO-Lanthar
Sony 90mm f/2.8 G Macro 1:1 OSS
Sigma 105mm f/2.8 Macro 1:1 DG DN A

Other options are quite pointless, as the price difference doesn't justify several inferior factors. It's also pointless to adapt lenses from other mounts, especially first-party ones, as they won't be any cheaper than the native options, and make for a clumsy setup. The exceptions are lenses that one already owns, or ones with specifications that aren't available, as the Canon 65mm f/2.8 MP-E 1-5x.
The setup will be heavier, larger, have inferior autofocus, unless only using manual focus, and one would have to fiddle with adapters.

I prefer the Voigtländer options due to the fully mechanical focus design that they have. It might frustrate some how much they extend, or how long the focus throw it, though. I would say that their rendering is slightly superior to the other options, handle aberrations better, and also render more defined sunstars.

The last part might be very attractive to some, especially for city scape at night or some landscape, and can even be incorporated in to some macro scenes.

If one desires autofocus, either due to certain subjects where it's too much of a hassle, or one wants that extra convenience, the autofocus options will be more attractive.
The Sigma is slightly superior optically, to the Sony, though similiar to the Voigtländers, both at "macro" distances, and also at infinity, especially in the corners, and even at f/5.6 or slower. It doesn't necessarily focus worse than worse than the Sony, as the Sony has an old focus motor system.
The Sony is still excellent at every aperture, though, and the in-built stabilisation is practical at times.

For "passionate" usage, as for tiny insects, flowers (relative), or even deeper abstracts, "ultra macro"; beyond 2:1, is a necessity. There are really no options beside Laowa's lenses (for Sony FE), which are excellent. The Laowa 100mm f/2.8 2x Ultra Macro APO got "updated" by the Laowa 90mm f/2.8 2x Ultra Macro APO. I would skip the 100. It's very long, which can ruin some flash setups, and that goes for the Sigma 105 as well, the new 90 is slightly superior optically, especially at infinity, and the focus is internal.

With this in mind, I would choose one of the following:

Laowa 85mm f/5.6 2x Ultra Macro APO
Laowa 90mm f/2.8 2x Ultra Macro APO

I chose the 85, as I prefer the lighter setup, and I'm always at f/5.6 or slower anyway. It's excellent as all the others, but might be the weakest at infinity. I pair it with the Laowa 25mm f/2.5-5x Ultra Macro, for some truly deep magnifcation. Both can be had for just a bit over the Sony or Sigma. For people who primarily photograph insects, and use the Sony FE system, I would always recommend one of the 2x lenses, and perhaps add one with even deeper magnification if desired. I use both of them hand-held, and I'm quite satisfied with what is possible. There are probably superior options to the Laowa 25, and I do consider trying them, like the Canon 65.

I can't hesitate enough to state that using a flash and a diffuser when experimenting with this genre, is absolute! This especially goes for anything beyond 1:1. One can then get away with ISO 100-400, basically all of the time, while still being able to stop down.


Edited on Jul 11, 2023 at 07:21 AM · View previous versions



Jul 10, 2023 at 04:06 PM
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Grenache wrote:
I don’t know about the 2x “only” lenses, but the 2x-5x are disappointing…from Mikaton and Laowa.



The Mikaton certainly is, but the Laowa is quite good. I'm sure there are better options, though, like the Canon 65mm 1-5x.



Jul 10, 2023 at 04:07 PM
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Here are some samples, all by the Laowa 25mm f/2.8 2.5-5x and Laowa 85mm f/5.6 2x. All hand-held, with a flash, and a simple collapsible diffuser. I didn't do any focus stacking for these, beside the dragonfly from front, and failed a bit. All the 85mm images are at f/11, and all the 25mm at f/5.6.

Sorry for sharing many, but I couldn't choose which.

85, at 1:2 or so

Untitled by Thybo Photography, on Flickr



85, at 2x

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85, at 2x

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85, at 2x

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85, at 2x

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85, at 2x

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85, at 2x

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85, at 2x, attempted stack

Untitled by Thybo Photography, on Flickr



25, at 2.5x

Untitled by Thybo Photography, on Flickr



25, at 3x

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25, at 3.5x

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25, at 4x

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25, at 4x

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25, at 5x

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25, at 5x

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25, at 5x

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25, at 5x

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25, at 5x

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25, at 5x

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Jul 10, 2023 at 04:20 PM
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photo325 wrote:
Hey Guys,

I asked recently what was the best Sony for wildlife which gave me lots of lenses and cameras to lookup. The other facet of photography which I tend to do is macro photography. I bumped into some reviews stating that some of the Sony cameras didn’t do well in low light. As macro is often done with minimal lighting I thought I would ask the question what are people using in terms of cameras and lenses in the Sony world of macro

Thanks in advance


1:1 gets you pretty close, I'd rather have closer but you'd just have to consider your subjects. I've mostly used 180 + tc since going digital, gets closer than 1:1 and gives some distance for subjects that fly off. If you are not photographing things that fly off, 90-105 might be easier to deal with. I definitely prefer af, but no new 150-180 have af though AFAIK



Jul 10, 2023 at 04:59 PM
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The a99II was my favorite Sony camera strictly for macro, and that was all because of the fully-articulated rear LCD. It made working with low angles and in tight spaces much easier than any version of the flip screens (though the rV's screen comes close to being as useful).

Otherwise, every e-mount camera I've used for macro has been a pleasure. For field macros, I prefer manual focus, and my favorite lenses for the mount are the IRIX 150/2.8 and the Laowa 90/2.8. The IRIX looks big and heavy, but it's reasonably light for the length and speed, is internally focused, so it's as big as its going to get, comes with a dove-tailed tripod mount, and has a focus tension adjustment/lock. You can get it in an e-mount without electronics, or just order the EF version and put it on an MC-11 for full EXIF and in-camera aperture control. Fantastic resolution, strong color correction, and generally better bokeh than any of the shorter macros, it's a steal for the money.

In my mind, there are three things holding the Laowa 90 from being my default no-brainer recommendation for anyone looking for a field macro; there's no electronics, it can be difficult to focus wide open thanks to the fine focus fall-off and the physically limited rotation on the focus, and its lack of flare resistance can be challenging to frame around. Optically, it's a well corrected beast that loses very little over the sweep of its focus distance. It's a solid chunk of lens, but its flexibility can prove very handy.

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Jul 10, 2023 at 05:36 PM
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I wish there was a modern 150mm AF macro lens for Sony E mount but instead I plumped for the Sony 90mm G, which performs admirably and has that weird AF/MF clutch mechanism that I thought was a gimmick but turned out to be quite useful at times. The Sigma 105 macro is said to be just as good IQ wise, but my experience with Sigma AF in general is that it's never quite as accurate as native Sony lenses.


Jul 10, 2023 at 05:40 PM
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Frederik0711 wrote:
Here are some samples, all by the Laowa 25mm f/2.8 2.5-5x and Laowa 85mm f/5.6 2x. All hand-held, with a flash, and a simple collapsible diffuser. I didn't do any focus stacking for these, beside the dragonfly from front, and failed a bit. All the 85mm images are at f/11, and all the 25mm at f/5.6.

These are all beautiful! I was worried you stopped your photography because your Flickr was private.
I'm glad you haven't given up on it; you are very talented in macro-world from the looks of it!



Jul 11, 2023 at 02:18 AM
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Alan Parker wrote:
These are all beautiful! I was worried you stopped your photography because your Flickr was private.
I'm glad you haven't given up on it; you are very talented in macro-world from the looks of it!


Thank you very much, Allan!

I'm enjoying this genre a lot. The "insect season" is quite short in Denmark, so I'm almost exclusively focusing on that currently. During winter, I mostly stick to abstracts of trees and architecture. A bit of wildlife and city scape is mixed in as well.

I kind of gave up on social media. I think it's shallow and a bit of a mess. Do you have any advice on making it work? I will probably make my own site soon, both to just make a gallery for myself and others to enjoy, but potentially some business as well.



Jul 11, 2023 at 07:16 AM
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Frederik0711 wrote:
I kind of gave up on social media. I think it's shallow and a bit of a mess. Do you have any advice on making it work? I will probably make my own site soon, both to just make a gallery for myself and others to enjoy, but potentially some business as well.


Just don't take it too serious, that's my advice. I only have LinkedIn and Flickr, one for work and one for my hobby. I mostly use Flickr as a scrapbook and as a portfolio if need be for small gigs. Recently took up a volunteering position at the local botanical garden because of what they saw on Flickr, so it can help. Of course having your own website is even better, especially if you do more fine-art style like you do.



Jul 11, 2023 at 07:56 AM
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Alan Parker wrote:
Just don't take it too serious, that's my advice. I only have LinkedIn and Flickr, one for work and one for my hobby. I mostly use Flickr as a scrapbook and as a portfolio if need be for small gigs. Recently took up a volunteering position at the local botanical garden because of what they saw on Flickr, so it can help. Of course having your own website is even better, especially if you do more fine-art style like you do.


Yeah, I don't know. I just think that there needs to be some sort of middleground. It's a bit too gassy on the social planets. I will usually either only share a handful of images, and either be too critical of myself, or have certain expectations of the feedback, if any, or share stacks of images without much order.
There are albums, though, on Flickr, which I appreciate, compared to Instagram, where one would have to look back in to the catalog. I really don't like sites as Instagram. Flickr is also a great site as a virtual backup. I do store my favourite images on two hard drives, but it''s generally not as convient, and they will always have a certain limit. On Flickr, I can both store my unedited images and favourites.

There are just too many compromises on most socials, but it's what the majority use. I think, I will get back to Flickr, and share longer series of images, which I combine in to albums; like genres of photography, a series of a certain city, et cetera. Either way, it's mostly to enjoy our passion, and perhaps share the enjoyment with others.
It's not so much to make a living out of it, but if the opportunity does come, I want it the site to be appealing.



Jul 11, 2023 at 08:13 AM
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