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suteetat wrote:
Yes, I think this combination will be it for me for a long time. This year, hopefully Nikon will release 85/1.2 sometimes during the second half of the year then I am done with buying lenses for a while.


Oh címon. Somebody gotta keep Nikon from going out of business.
What about a 600f4 with built in TC? What about 200mm f2? 135mm f1.4?



Apr 22, 2022 at 06:50 PM
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Oh címon. Somebody gotta keep Nikon from going out of business.
What about a 600f4 with built in TC? What about 200mm f2? 135mm f1.4?


I think there are plenty of members here who are keeping Nikon afloat
I am helping a little just a few days to weeks sooner.

Wtih 400 and 800mm, not really sure that I need 600/4 as well but if I win a lottery, may be

Last year I bought 200/2 VR ii as Nikon Thailand was cleaning house of all of its F mount stock and got about $1000 off
the retail price here so I don't think I will be upgrading to Z mount anytime soon.

135, we shall see, I actually prefer 105 focal lenght a bit more. I really wish there is a way to get 135/2 DC AF to work on
Z mount. I would buy that adapter in a heart beat.




Apr 22, 2022 at 07:41 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread


I did a quick test comparing 400/2.8S and 800PF at 800mm, long distance, about 100+ meter distance.






Here is the set up, on tripod with Z7 ii, ibis off, shutter release cable was used.
I took 3 shots for each lens combination and picked the best looking shot of the three. The three shots are pretty much consistant with each other. Focus point was on the center of the fan in all photos. HE+ imported into PS just for 100% cropping only. No other adjustment.

And here is the result.


















Top left corner (your left) : 400/2.8S+ TCx2 @ f5.6, 1/400, iso 64

Top right corner: 400/2.8S+ TCx2 @ f6.3, 1/320, iso 64,

bottom left : 800PF @ f6.3, 1/320s, iso 64 .

bottom rightL 400/2.8S + internal TC + external TCx1.4, 1/400, f 5.6, iso 64


Few observations, I think 800PF wins. Surprisingly, 400/2.8S with TCx2 or with two TCx1.4 are best wide opened. I did now show stacked TC1.4 at f6.3 but the result was similar to TCx2,f5.6 looks sharper.



Apr 23, 2022 at 06:44 AM
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I would agree with your assessment of the images.

And I wonder how many or how few 800 PF lenses were shipped in the first round because I havenít seen many claim to have gotten emails or picked their lenses up in stores after the first little flurry of declarations a few days ago when they popped up here and elsewhere. If that was it then I would guess the initial shipment was less than 100 worldwide. Now I can see why some are predicting a year or more to clear preorders. This could be a painful wait. Ouch.



Apr 23, 2022 at 07:41 AM
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Bare lense usually best lense with tc. Can't wait to get the 800mm pf. The 400mm 2.8s would be a great companion but the 100-400mm will be OK for now! My 100-400 and 800PF will be the same weight as my ex 600mm fl , lol


Apr 23, 2022 at 12:34 PM
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Archerscreek wrote:
I would agree with your assessment of the images.

And I wonder how many or how few 800 PF lenses were shipped in the first round because I havenít seen many claim to have gotten emails or picked their lenses up in stores after the first little flurry of declarations a few days ago when they popped up here and elsewhere. If that was it then I would guess the initial shipment was less than 100 worldwide. Now I can see why some are predicting a year or more to clear preorders. This could be a painful wait. Ouch.


On Friday, my local store got in one 800PF and one 400/2.8S. They do expect more next month I believe.

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Bare lense usually best lense with tc. Can't wait to get the 800mm pf. The 400mm 2.8s would be a great companion but the 100-400mm will be OK for now! My 100-400 and 800PF will be the same weight as my ex 600mm fl , lol


Yes, usually lens of the same caliber, bare lens should be better than with TC. I think it just confirm that 800PF despite being much cheaper, does play at the same level as the big boy.
I will need to test more but shooting against strong sunlight in the background, I think it does lose contrast a little bit more and I still am wondering about the bokeh. However, Steve Perry said that bokeh was fine.



Apr 23, 2022 at 04:30 PM
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suteetat wrote:
On Friday, my local store got in one 800PF and one 400/2.8S. They do expect more next month I believe.

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Yes, usually lens of the same caliber, bare lens should be better than with TC. I think it just confirm that 800PF despite being much cheaper, does play at the same level as the big boy.
I will need to test more but shooting against strong sunlight in the background, I think it does lose contrast a little bit more and I still am wondering about the bokeh. However, Steve Perry said that bokeh was fine.


it doesn't have the arneo coating, so yeah this would make sense.



Apr 23, 2022 at 09:36 PM
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OOPS, sorry, that's what happens when you've worked 60+ hour work weeks for two years... Adding this to the image thread.

JasonTheBirder wrote:
The first one is NOT a PF lens.





Apr 24, 2022 at 07:28 AM
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I was able to run to the park next door for a little bit this afternoon.
All handheld, 1/1000s, f6.3, with a bit of cropping on both. Again no added sharpening.






iso 250







iso 400



Apr 24, 2022 at 09:33 AM
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Those are beautiful.


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Lovely images. What body are you using?


Apr 24, 2022 at 11:35 AM
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Awesome! Keep those images coming!



Apr 24, 2022 at 12:03 PM
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i don't need this lens.
i don't need this lens.
i don't need this lens.

*cries*



Apr 24, 2022 at 12:08 PM
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How quiet is the autofocus? The only thing that drives me nuts about the Sigma 500f/4 and the FTZ is the how loud its AF motor is. Really kills trying to get audio during video shoots.


Apr 24, 2022 at 12:17 PM
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mach250 wrote:
How quiet is the autofocus? The only thing that drives me nuts about the Sigma 500f/4 and the FTZ is the how loud its AF motor is. Really kills trying to get audio during video shoots.


All of Nikon's Z lenses using STM motors are designed with video in mind and virtually silent to AF.



Apr 24, 2022 at 01:24 PM
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suteetat wrote:
I was able to run to the park next door for a little bit this afternoon.
All handheld, 1/1000s, f6.3, with a bit of cropping on both. Again no added sharpening.

https://morboi.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/NZ9_0694.jpg
iso 250

https://morboi.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/NZ9_0742.jpg
iso 400


Beautiful bokeh!

Cheers,
Bernard



Apr 24, 2022 at 04:48 PM
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Those are beautiful.

Thanks

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Robjwilli wrote:
Lovely images. What body are you using?


I use Z9 for all my shots wiht supertele pretty much. I think my Z7 ii is feeling very neglected lately.
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Lassep wrote:
Awesome! Keep those images coming!

Thanks. I should have a day trip coming up later on in the week where I would like to compare
400/2.8S and 800PF but will try to get to the park next door as much as I can to try out the lens.
It is light enough to carry while walking around a park.
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mach250 wrote:
How quiet is the autofocus? The only thing that drives me nuts about the Sigma 500f/4 and the FTZ is the how loud its AF motor is. Really kills trying to get audio during video shoots.


Like the rest of Z lenses, it is very quiet. Most of the time now, the only noise I notice is the added shutter noise on my Z9.
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bernardl wrote:
Beautiful bokeh!

Cheers,
Bernard


So far so good. Occasionally I still am bother by double edge leaves but will have to experiment a bit more.



Apr 24, 2022 at 05:16 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread


I had a bit more fun today.

All handheld, no cropping, no added sharpening or denoised in post. All shot wide opened at f6.3 .







Bokeh when it is a few feet away seems fine but objects a few inches behind sometimes does not look very good I think.
1/1000s, iso 1100.







This is pretty close to minimum focusing distance. 1/1000s, iso 2000

And just for fun on my way out of the park, visiting my frequent model













100% cropped is a bit softer than usual but considered that this is handheld at 1/25s f6.3, iso 80.
It is not too bad, I think.







Apr 25, 2022 at 07:05 AM
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Mind-blowing that you are able to get this sharp a shot at 1/25s at 800mm. It is a little hard to judge from the forum, but the images do look pin sharp otherwise.

The noisy bokeh was expected, but from the examples i do not think it is that bad. The bokeh generally looks very smooth in most examples.

How is the autofocus consistency?



Apr 25, 2022 at 11:15 AM
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Lassep wrote:
Mind-blowing that you are able to get this sharp a shot at 1/25s at 800mm. It is a little hard to judge from the forum, but the images do look pin sharp otherwise.

The noisy bokeh was expected, but from the examples i do not think it is that bad. The bokeh generally looks very smooth in most examples.

How is the autofocus consistency?


A bit hard to judge AF at the moment as I have been playing with programmable area focus C1/C2 and photograph mostly perched birds since the new firmware comes out. Hopefully I will have a chance to try bif later this week and compare it to 400/2.8S. At the moment, there seems to be a second or two delay to get eye detection to work , I assume it is C1/C2's fault rather than the lens.



Apr 25, 2022 at 04:42 PM
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