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Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review

  
 
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p.29 #1 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


Is this adapted significantly different enough from the E mount 50 1.2 Voightlander? When I say different I mean different enough in what somebody would consider superior?


Apr 05, 2023 at 12:04 PM
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p.29 #2 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


^ these go to 11.


Apr 05, 2023 at 03:06 PM
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p.29 #3 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


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Apr 08, 2023 at 09:43 AM
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p.29 #4 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


50/1 and 50/2 APO are both 50s but are very different in design and it shows in the resulting images; neither is a replacement for the other, IMO. Both stay sharp wide open at close distances (or any distance for that matter) because of floating element design. The 50/1 has veiling and fringing wide open (but not enough to affect its resolving power) and i see why it's among the most expensive in its lineup; the APO, OTOH...is so good for its price it makes me wonder if Cosina priced it incorrectly...



Voigtlander 50mm APO f2.0 @ f2.0


Voigtlander 50mm f1.0 Asph @ f1.0


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Apr 08, 2023 at 10:38 AM
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p.29 #5 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


Leica M7, Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton VM, Eastman-5222, Xtol 1:1

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Cherry Blossoms and Steel Bridge by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Cherry Blossoms and Steel Bridge by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Cherry Blossoms by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr


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Apr 24, 2023 at 11:49 AM
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p.29 #6 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


I never used a f1 lens. Nailing that focus on the go should be something.


Apr 24, 2023 at 09:08 PM
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p.29 #7 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


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I never used a f1 lens. Nailing that focus on the go should be something.


Shooting at f/1 with this lens is a little challenging (for me). It is surprisingly sharp where it is in focus and the depth of field is very shallow. I only use it on film, and I'd say I have a 40% success rate of hitting critical focus...maybe less. If you are shooting digital, spray and pray and you'll be fine!



Apr 25, 2023 at 09:51 AM
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Zuzu & Brian by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Zuzu & Brian by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Zuzu & Brian by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Zuzu & Brian by Jim Fischer, on Flickr



Apr 25, 2023 at 09:53 AM
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dalegaspi wrote:
50/1 and 50/2 APO are both 50s but are very different in design and it shows in the resulting images; neither is a replacement for the other, IMO. Both stay sharp wide open at close distances (or any distance for that matter) because of floating element design. The 50/1 has veiling and fringing wide open (but not enough to affect its resolving power) and i see why it's among the most expensive in its lineup; the APO, OTOH...is so good for its price it makes me wonder if Cosina priced it incorrectly...


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52764630042_9b1fd341e6_b.jpg
Voigtlander 50mm APO f2.0 @ f2.0

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Voigtlander 50mm
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Really nice portraits - well done! Congrats! While I really like them from the technical point (what kind of lighting was used?)/ those both lenses seem to be great etc. - it is the emotion you captured that makes them outstanding!
Bravo!




Apr 26, 2023 at 03:53 AM
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p.29 #10 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


Thank you all for very interesting thread! I have never used Voigtländer lenses so it was fun to see all the tests of the new CV f/1.0 compared to Noctilux etc.

While I love Leica lenses and would like to own both 0.95 Nocti and (maybe even more!) f/1 Nocti, I am not rich and will probably never be able to do it...

But those Voigt lenses could certainly look as a kind of a substitute - I think I would need to try them!

Question: As I can see there are 3 very fast Voigt lenses - the new f/1.0, then f/1.2 that is also shown here in many tests, but also a bit older f/1.1 that nobody even mentioned here?
What about that one? How does it compare to other two? Any experiences?

PS. I have 50 M-Summilux (on SL2) and going more f-wide would be to get a bit more dreamy look (but not to lose sharpness/contrast in a great extent!) I like what I see with CV 1.0 but it is also 70% more expensive than 1.2 and even more than 1.1 which can be found rather cheap in used/mint state.

Suggestions?

Thank you!
Cheers / Alex



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p.29 #11 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


profus wrote:
Suggestions?

Get the f/1.2.
In many situations you have more background blur in most parts of the frame with that lens,
because it lacks the disastrous field curvature of the f/1.0 version.



Apr 26, 2023 at 05:35 AM
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profus wrote:
Really nice portraits - well done! Congrats! While I really like them from the technical point (what kind of lighting was used?)/ those both lenses seem to be great etc. - it is the emotion you captured that makes them outstanding!
Bravo!



thank you . here i used a Godox AD300 as main light with octabox and white reflector as fill, hair highlight is an AD100 with small octabox with grid. small strobes so i can set power low enough to get to f1 without using ND filters



Apr 26, 2023 at 10:47 AM
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p.29 #13 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


dalegaspi wrote:
50/1 and 50/2 APO are both 50s but are very different in design and it shows in the resulting images....


Different lighting, unfair comparison. The lighting in the first picture (50/2 AL) is not as good.

dalegaspi wrote:
The 50/1 has veiling and fringing wide open


For veiling and fringing w/open I use my 100 € Nikkor AI 50/1.4




Apr 26, 2023 at 12:33 PM
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profus wrote:
Thank you all for very interesting thread! I have never used Voigtländer lenses so it was fun to see all the tests of the new CV f/1.0 compared to Noctilux etc.

While I love Leica lenses and would like to own both 0.95 Nocti and (maybe even more!) f/1 Nocti, I am not rich and will probably never be able to do it...

But those Voigt lenses could certainly look as a kind of a substitute - I think I would need to try them!

Question: As I can see there are 3 very fast Voigt lenses - the new f/1.0, then
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What are your typical shooting distances with the 50 Lux?

What you're paying for with the 50/1 is the large diameter ground aspherical front element and also the floating element design, a feature also shared with the 50 Lux. The benefit of the floating element design is that wide aperture and close distance work will retain higher sharpness and contrast compared to non-floating designs. The 50/1.2 is a non-floating design and indeed at nearer distances there is increased spherical aberration at wider apertures that will reduce the appearance of sharpness and contrast. If you want to retain sharpness and contrast, as stated, and you're working at nearer distances, the 50/1 will be the better choice. And at such nearer distances, if there's good background separation, the effect mentioned by Bastian will not be as noticeable.

Where there is some uncertainty is how the SL2's sensor stack thickness compares to that of the M system in respect to how it could affect lens performance. IIRC it has been shown that the 50/1 is sensitive to thicker sensor stacks inducing additional astigmatism and field curvature. Proper adapter thickness is also more critical with a floating element design.

The 50/1.1 is an old design released around 2009 that's apparently akin to the 50/1.0 Noctilux vs. the 50/0.95 Noctilux. It doesn't seem to get much attention with the 50/1.2 available now for some time. Like the 50/1.2 it's a non-floating design and most likely will see an increase in spherical aberration at nearer distances and wider apertures.

There is some info about it over at Cameraquest. Scroll down to "Tom Abrahamsson's take on the 50/1.1 Nokton" for an impression about it on film against his impressions of the 50/1.0 Noctilux.

If you're concerned about how the 50/1.0 renders backgrounds due to field curvature and optical vignetting, Fred covered this earlier in this review here.

It would also be worth reading his comment here when comparing the 50/1.2.

I think the bottom line is if you prioritize sharpness/contrast in the plane of focus, the 50/1.0 is the better choice across a range of uses. If you prioritize background character/rendering/smoothness, the 50/1.2 is the better choice.



Apr 26, 2023 at 04:37 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
What you're paying for with the 50/1 is the large diameter ground aspherical front element and also the floating element design, a feature also shared with the 50 Lux. The benefit of the floating element design is that wide aperture and close distance work will retain higher sharpness and contrast compared to non-floating designs. The 50/1.2 is a non-floating design and indeed at nearer distances there is increased spherical aberration at wider apertures that will reduce the appearance of sharpness and contrast. If you want to retain sharpness and contrast, as stated, and you're working at nearer distances, the 50/1
...Show more

this is why i picked up the 50/1 over the alternatives: the floating lens design. i tend to get close to my subjects and _for me_ lens speed and bg rendering provides little value if there's too much aberration up close...and the 50/1 does not disappoint _for my shooting preference_. YMMV.



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p.29 #16 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


dalegaspi wrote:
this is why i picked up the 50/1 over the alternatives: the floating lens design. i tend to get close to my subjects and _for me_ lens speed and bg rendering provides little value if there's too much aberration up close...and the 50/1 does not disappoint _for my shooting preference_. YMMV.


Voigtlander has incorporated numerous advancements in this lens. Despite that, I personally favor the classic rendering of the CV 50/1.1. Nevertheless, the CV 50/1 remains one of the finest Cosina releases.



May 03, 2023 at 11:13 AM
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Hi all, portrait / and astro shooter here. Wonder if anyone has used this lens on a starfield? I use 50mm lenses on star trackers all the time and I am interested to see how well the f/1 astigmastism and coma are. Well aware at f/1 it won't be great, but I am trying to decide between the f/1 nokton for z mount vs the 50 apo. The 50 apo is f2 so if the f1 starts to get good around f2-2.8 then it would be great to have a dual - purpose lens, f/1 lens for portraits, and astro shooting as I do.


Jun 05, 2023 at 05:31 AM
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p.29 #18 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


profus wrote:
Question: As I can see there are 3 very fast Voigt lenses - the new f/1.0, then f/1.2 that is also shown here in many tests, but also a bit older f/1.1 that nobody even mentioned here?
What about that one? How does it compare to other two? Any experiences?



The out-of-focus background, in images shot with the f/1.1, can be, well, not normally pleasing my eyes. I reckon that “harsh” or “busy” would apply? I have never used the f/1.1 Nokton, but I searched for reviews and sample images, while considering buying one, shortly before the f/1.0 was announced. (A highly-reputable evil-bay dealer, not far from me, had a really nice sample available.) Just based upon my pre-caffeinated memory, Ming Thein’s blog went into considerable detail on this one, with sample images, and Kai Wong, probably when he was still working for the you-tube channel based in Hong Kong, reviewed the f/1.1, and his video presentation included sample images with this “bokeh.”

Images posted here, in this forum, also played a part, in my consideration, but with so many 50mm Nokton lenses, searching can be tedious, and my inter-webbing time is short, this morning.

Notably, the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH, my first M lens, acquired at the same time as my first Leica M camera, is my gold standard for background blur characteristics. (A one-time modest financial windfall enabled me to “start at the top*,” but even so, it was a pre-owned Summilux, bought with the new M10.) I only considered the f/1.2 and f/1.1 Noktons as a means of getting more light into my cameras, in low-light situations. Their background blur was not a priority. Thankfully, when the f/1.0 Nokton was announced, I waited for it to be available, with no regrets; a full stop more light than the Summilux, less length and weight than the f/0.95 Noctilux, and better-for-me background blur than the other 50mm Noktons. (Of course, the Nokton f/1.0 will not displace my Summilux, as favorite 50mm.)

I also really like the external physical appearance of the f/1.0 Nokton. There is some amount of homage to the first Leica Noctilux, and none of the beverage-can appearance as we see with the f/0.95 Noctilux. The length is rather modest. I do not mind the diameter, as it serves as nice gripping surface. My right hand is becoming more than a bit gimpy, so, a lens, with some amount of diameter and heft, is my primary way of gripping the camera/lens combo. A tiny, compact lens is only useful when I want to conceal the camera, or, work out of a tiny, compact bag or pouch, which, for me, is a niche use case.

*Starting at “the top,” with the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH was/is a form of partial inoculation against Gear Acquisition Syndrome. I may buy other 50mm M-mount lenses, for special purposes, but nothing, yet, seems “better” than my Summilux, as an all-‘round, walking-about, hand-held, people-photography lens.




Jun 05, 2023 at 07:57 AM
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p.29 #19 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


profus wrote:
Question: As I can see there are 3 very fast Voigt lenses - the new f/1.0, then f/1.2 that is also shown here in many tests, but also a bit older f/1.1 that nobody even mentioned here?
What about that one? How does it compare to other two? Any experiences?


I have the f1.1, but no experience with the other two. The f1.1 has significant focus shift as the aperture is changed from wide open to f4. This can be easily demonstrated, but in actual use I did not see it in my images taken with my M bodies. On my SL and SL2 (with M to L adapter) focus shift is eliminated if focused at shooting aperture. It is reasonably sharp wide open and gets very sharp as one stops down. The big rap on the lens is out of focus rendering. Out of focus area in some images, especially those with vertical lines in the background, can be a bit chaotic. Other backgrounds can be fine. I don't find it to be a problem, but others do, hence the reputation. By all accounts the f1.0 model eliminates these issues, but I like mine.

On the SL bodies its size and weight are a good match and I use it as a standard 50mm lens. Very sharp at normal apertures and I have f1.1 should I need it.



Jun 05, 2023 at 08:23 AM
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p.29 #20 · Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton Review


The lens (when you can nail focus) is also pleasantly sharp and useful at medium to long distances lending the impression of a telephoto lens...albeit, with a slightly different look.

(also note, the very wavy field curvature in the out-of-focus background)

Silvershot Vineyards by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Silvershot Vineyards by Jim Fischer, on Flickr

Leica M7, Voigtlander 50mm f/1 Nokton VM, Eastman-5222, Xtol 1:1



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