Mark_OptDes wrote:
I don't think anyone has actually said this on the thread ( I've read most of it ) , but I want to give a shout-out to the designers at Voigtlander. To have beaten - generally - the Noctilux 50/0.95 in a significantly smaller package, for 1/6th the price of the Leica, is a superb piece of work.
I would hope they could beat the Leica 0.95 given the Leica was released in 2008 and necessarily designed years before that. The price of the 0.95 is not relevant given the differing cost of manufacture for each company.
Not to take anything away from the CV, but we need to see Leica's next iteration of the 50 Noct. If it's like other more relevant CV versus Leica comparisons, there may be differences in vignetting and flare resistance but otherwise very similar.
thanks you its a great lens and I think the balance is quite nice because worn on the strap, the lens faces down in the resting position and when shooting (for my hands, average) the haptics are very natural and pleasant. I had many new shooters try it and they had no issue easily focusing wide open.
The price on lenses (and cameras and a whole lot of other gear) is relevant to buyers who aren't "millionaires", no matter what manufacturing costs may be in competing companies. The value for money regarding Leica lenses is lower than those made by CV, which is what you are (indirectly) saying.
If Leica had a sensible pricing policy, they would lower the prince on their old lens designs, mirroring the relative performance compared to todays standards. Instead, some of the Leica M lenses are getting progressively overpriced, the 50mm Noctilux-M included.
As always, this is just opinions...
highdesertmesa wrote:
I would hope they could beat the Leica 0.95 given the Leica was released in 2008 and necessarily designed years before that. The price of the 0.95 is not relevant given the differing cost of manufacture for each company.
Not to take anything away from the CV, but we need to see Leica's next iteration of the 50 Noct. If it's like other more relevant CV versus Leica comparisons, there may be differences in vignetting and flare resistance but otherwise very similar.
highdesertmesa wrote:
I would hope they could beat the Leica 0.95 given the Leica was released in 2008 and necessarily designed years before that. The price of the 0.95 is not relevant given the differing cost of manufacture for each company.
Not to take anything away from the CV, but we need to see Leica's next iteration of the 50 Noct. If it's like other more relevant CV versus Leica comparisons, there may be differences in vignetting and flare resistance but otherwise very similar.
HDM, do you plan to repurchase the Voigtlander 50/1.0 for your new SL2-S Reporter? Or maybe the new re-issued Leica 50/1.2 Noct as a salute to your R3 Safari?
goodbokeh wrote:
HDM, do you plan to repurchase the Voigtlander 50/1.0 for your new SL2-S Reporter? Or maybe the new re-issued Leica 50/1.2 Noct as a salute to your R3 Safari?
Hi, no I don't plan on re-purchasing. I want to keep it small and light with regard to M lenses to offset the weight of the SL2-S body.
Since I currently have the LLL 35mm 8-element collapsable, I think my next lens may be re-purchasing the CV 50 APO and be done. After that, I just need an AF telephoto for long distance landscape, probably the current version of the Sigma 150-600 in L-mount.
highdesertmesa wrote:
Hi, no I don't plan on re-purchasing. I want to keep it small and light with regard to M lenses to offset the weight of the SL2-S body.
Since I currently have the LLL 35mm 8-element collapsable, I think my next lens may be re-purchasing the CV 50 APO and be done. After that, I just need an AF telephoto for long distance landscape, probably the current version of the Sigma 150-600 in L-mount.
Yes, I use the CV 50 APO on my M10M and it's incredible. I remember something about FM saying it didn't play well with the SL sensors which surprised him.
Mark_OptDes wrote:
I don't think anyone has actually said this on the thread ( I've read most of it ) , but I want to give a shout-out to the designers at Voigtlander. To have beaten - generally - the Noctilux 50/0.95 in a significantly smaller package, for 1/6th the price of the Leica, is a superb piece of work.
I very much agree. The Cosina/Voigtlander designers did very well. I salute them.
I will add, that in my opinion, the Nokton f/1.0 is also more pleasing, to my eyes, than the Leica Noctilux f/0.95. Some Voigtlander lenses have had rather, well, interesting external appearances. The Nokton 50/1.0 is pleasing to my eyes, and, I also enjoy the ergonomic/haptic experience.
goodbokeh wrote:
Yes, I use the CV 50 APO on my M10M and it's incredible. I remember something about FM saying it didn't play well with the SL sensors which surprised him.
The CV 50 APO works perfectly on the SL2-S, sparkling sharp corner-to-corner. I don't think the SL2 fares as well due to the older FSI sensor and higher resolution. Same situation with the 28 Lux, which really shines on the SL2-S.
highdesertmesa wrote:
The CV 50 APO works perfectly on the SL2-S, sparkling sharp corner-to-corner. I don't think the SL2 fares as well due to the older FSI sensor and higher resolution. Same situation with the 28 Lux, which really shines on the SL2-S.
I received the lens yesterday and my wife asked me for a few images for her blog today, so I could not pass up the opportunity to use this lens with the M10M.
CV Nokton 50mm f1 @ f1
LarsHP wrote:
The price on lenses (and cameras and a whole lot of other gear) is relevant to buyers who aren't "millionaires", no matter what manufacturing costs may be in competing companies. The value for money regarding Leica lenses is lower than those made by CV, which is what you are (indirectly) saying.
If Leica had a sensible pricing policy, they would lower the prince on their old lens designs, mirroring the relative performance compared to todays standards. Instead, some of the Leica M lenses are getting progressively overpriced, the 50mm Noctilux-M included.
As always, this is just opinions...
Sorry I missed this response. When you put your reply above the quoted text, the forum doesn't notify the person you're quoting that they were quoted
The point I was trying to make was if Voigtlander lenses were designed and made in Germany and Leicas in Japan, the prices would probably reverse. Since this will never happen, there will always be a big disparity in the price. And I think expecting Leica to reduce the price of the current 0.95 Noct simply because Voigtlander hit a home run with the 50 f/1 is unrealistic. You could make the same argument about their 50 APO, but just because Voigtlander made a 50 APO doesn't change how much it costs Leica to make theirs.
If anything, Leica sometimes boxes themselves into a corner with their pricing on their higher end lenses – simply because the lenses are incredibly difficult to assemble to tolerance.
Plus that fancy campus with museum in Wetzlar doesn’t come cheap. Nor do those sweet Leica Stores in places like Beverly Hills (adjacent), London Mayfair etc.
First one at f/1 and most of the others at f/2.8.
I should probably have stopped down the lens a bit more for some of them, but I'm not used to macro photography.
