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gdanmitchell wrote:
I don't have an 8k display, but I've seen plenty of 4k images.


Well that explains a lot. Next time you're near an Apple Store, drop in for a quick look. 4K and 6K and especially 8K aren't in the same league. That's what I thought when I had a 4K screen, too.

It is hard for me to see how a screen display would stretch the limits of what a photograph would show beyond what a print does.

See above, emphasis on see.



Jan 10, 2022 at 04:59 PM
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EdwardDye wrote:
I'm not saying 24MP is not enough for good photos, but like I said there are better options out there, its never about what's enough, it's always about keep up with the competition(A1 and Z9)
I think the big 3 camera companies know what professionals want, so there is A1 Z9 and upcoming R1, this is what today's market demand and the reason all 3 of them are going this way.




Well, you are kind of saying that 24mp isn't the mark of a professional grade camera in both your previous post, and above. The market demand has been for more megapixels ever since the D1. It's hardly a new phenomena, and interestingly enough flagships, historically, are not the highest MP camera a company offers. Even the last flagship DSLRs from Canon and Nikon are in the 20s despite them have higher MP cameras in the line. Presumably they understand the market. Again MP is not everything for every shooter.

I think it's a mistake to compare the R3 to the A1 or Z9. The R3's "raison d'être" is wholly different from the later two which are all-around flagships. I get YouTubers do it for clicks but it's really an unserious comparison. Forget that the R3 isn't a flagship, more importantly it was developed expressly for shooting sports, photojournalism and wildlife (with the right lens). It's designed for speed in the field, both in shooting and turnaround to client. Take the major feature of 30FPS, for example. The Z9 can only accomplish that in JPEG and while the A1's can do it in RAW it's their lossy compressed flavor. Only the R3 can shoot 30FPS in lossless RAW.

The marketing for the Z9 and A1 couldn't be more opposite of the R3 too. Look at the launch video of the R3 then the A1 and Z9. The R3 focuses on sports, wildlife, and motion. There are no scenes of architecture, portraiture, or other photography that is still and lends itself more to fine details because that's not the market for the R3. The proper comparison to the R3 is the A9 II, and there, while the R3 is more expensive, it's also the better camera, though the A9 III is due this year and could beat it in price and features, but probably not by enough to make a switch economically viable.



Jan 10, 2022 at 06:10 PM
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I would assume that R1 is going to be a 2024 Olympic driven camera. Therefore I assume we will see it late 2023 or Jan/Feb 2024. I'll be surprised if it comes out before then. However, there is some pressure from Sony and Nikon having their flagships with higher-MPs. So who knows, maybe it will come earlier??


Jan 10, 2022 at 06:15 PM
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R3 was developed expressly for shooting sports, photojournalism and wildlife. What does developed expressly mean? A1 and Z9 can't shoot sports, photojournalism and wildlife just as well?

R3 is not to be compared with "all-around flagships" like A1 and Z9? If so they should never priced it around the same price. R3 isn't a flagship but priced like one.

Yes, I fully agree the R3 is better than A9II, but A9II is 5 years old (count from A9) camera, and even when it was newly released it was just $4500, R3 is $6000.


Hairy Heron wrote:
Well, you are kind of saying that 24mp isn't the mark of a professional grade camera in both your previous post, and above. The market demand has been for more megapixels ever since the D1. It's hardly a new phenomena, and interestingly enough flagships, historically, are not the highest MP camera a company offers. Even the last flagship DSLRs from Canon and Nikon are in the 20s despite them have higher MP cameras in the line. Presumably they understand the market. Again MP is not everything for every shooter.

I think it's a mistake to compare the R3 to the
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Jan 10, 2022 at 07:07 PM
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stanj wrote:
Well that explains a lot. Next time you're near an Apple Store, drop in for a quick look. 4K and 6K and especially 8K aren't in the same league. That's what I thought when I had a 4K screen, too.

See above, emphasis on see.


Stay classy, big fella'. ;-)



Jan 10, 2022 at 08:06 PM
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Hairy Heron wrote:
I love my R5, but I must say I wasn't really prepared for the added storage requirement or stress of the larger files on my computer.

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Give cRAW a try if you haven't already....I've accepted that's what I'm going to use when shooting stills with my R5's. The files are nearly half the size and I'd have to pixel peep to see the difference. Hopefully the R1's cRAW will deliver the same quality as the R5's compressed files so one would have options.



Jan 10, 2022 at 11:13 PM
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Hello Everyone.

New to posting on the forums here, but have been a Canon shooter since the original EOS 650 which I bought when it came out. I then stepped into the digital world with the 10D, and have had numerous Canon cameras since.

I currently have an R6 and a R3 which I received mid December from Camera Canada. I have barely used the R6 since getting the R3. Would my situation have be different if I had an R5 instead of the R6? Probably not, would still be using the R3 over the R5. I would still prefer the R3, no question. The only major difference between the R6 and the R5 is the sensor and a few quirks with how the settings work. But cameras are not just about megapixels.

I understand the argument of megapixel count, no question. Would the R3 have been better at 45-50 Megapixels, maybe. If it is able to keep the same ISO, DR, speed, autofocus, handling etc, or even improve on them, then for sure, then it would be. But as of today, we know nothing about the R1 and its capabilities. And even if, and when, it were to be announced, who knows how long it would be to actually get one in your hands? But, lets say you wait patiently for the R1, and then what do you know, it comes out with a 85 megapixel sensor with worse DR, worse low light capabilities, is considerably heavier, shots only 20fps, and, say costs $2000 more than the R3, would you be happy with that? We can all speculate as to what will be coming out, but that is a pointless endeavour. I am not implying that the R1 won't be better, but we don't know by how much, and at what cost, so I am happy owning Canon's best current camera.

For myself, the camera has to be evaluated as a whole instrument and against what is currently available. The handling, weight, low light abilities, high DR, battery life, speed, etc, all factor into the equation. A good analogy to this would be to compare say a Ford Mustang, to a Porche 911turbo. Sure the Mustang could have the same or more HP (I don't know this is a fact or not) but the driving experience between the two vehicles is completely different. The Mustang may be even be faster 0-60, or in the quarter mile, but when you put them on a track, the Porche would probably be the better tool and may even have better gas milage!

For myself, the R3 is a much better tool that the R6/R5 in almost every way. It starts faster, shoots faster, has better handling and customizability, better battery, better low light than the other two. It makes the whole shooting experience much better. It is, as of today, Canon's best camera ever made. Is it the best valued Canon, only the buyer can say, if you have the funds, go for it. The easiest way to confirm this, is if you were to be given any one of Canon's current lineup of cameras for free, to keep and use, which would you take? I would venture to say that most would take the R3.

Now I understand that there are other camera manufacturers out there making excellent cameras. We can have the debate about whether the Z9 or the A1 is a better camera than those ones, but I am committed to the Canon system at this stage and am very happy with my R3. Personally, I think it is overall better than the Z9 and A1, due to handling, speed weight, and of coarse, the Eye Autofocus, which for my eyes works very well, and allows moving the AF point almost instantaneously. It really is a game changer for many situations. However, I have not once felt that my images were lacking in detail or resolution, and if and when that occurs, it will probably not be very often. I am more than fine with the images that it produces. I still remember drooling over the 1Ds II back in the early 2000's with its "amazing" 16.7 MP sensor!

Will I upgrade to and R1 someday? I don't know that answer, as I know nothing about the R1. When it is released, if I think it will offer me something I am lacking now, depending on its price, I may very well upgrade. As I have upgraded from the 10D to the 1D, to the 5Diii to the R, the R6 and now the R3.

And life goes on....
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Mar 06, 2022 at 09:40 PM
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