Thanks to your information. I am currently watching 28mm APO.
I am not sure how much difference between Sony 35mm GM and Voigtlander 35mm APO.
I am also want to see the comparison with Sigma 35mm DC DN as well as Samyang 35mm F1.8.
tsdevine wrote:
The wavelength that Sony filters via the stack may be slightly different than Nikon. But unless you're seeing magenta corners/edges, I'm not sure what you see on the Sony with the Zeiss 50 is a problem. (You notice a difference, if so, is it really bothersome?) I can't remember if you posted samples.
The magenta cast though seems problematic, but it seems as though that is a lens issue. I only see this on a couple of lenses, at least to a point where it becomes problematic in my mind.
I see magenta in the corners of my 35/2.8 Sony when shooting snow, but don't notice it in the blue sky.
It doesn't bother me much if at all.
I never noticed anything quite like what I see in the CV 50 in my 35/2.8 ZA. No worries for those who see nothing unusual.
-Tim
jhinkey wrote:
I see magenta in the corners of my 35/2.8 Sony when shooting snow, but don't notice it in the blue sky.
It doesn't bother me much if at all.
Got my email from Stephen Gandy to pay the balance on the preorder. The E mount versions are in transit and should ship from CameraQuest on 4/9 or soon after.
My 65mm Apo-Lanthar lives on my A7RIV probably 75% of the time. I supplement with a Contax 35mm and adapter. This has worked as a nice combo and covers almost every situation. I have used a 100mm Contax for the occasional need for more reach. I feel like the colors match pretty well.
Me: Read my lips, no new lenses!
Cosina: How about a 35mm Apo-Lanthar?
Me: Gulp.
tsdevine wrote:
Got my email from Stephen Gandy to pay the balance on the preorder. The E mount versions are in transit and should ship from CameraQuest on 4/9 or soon after.
-Tim
C/V lists the E-Mount versions of the 65 f2 APO, 50 f2 APO and the new 35mm f2 APO at the same price of approx. 108,0000 Yen without the Japanese tax. This translates to around $985 dollars. Camera Quest lists their prices for the E-Mount lenses as:
65 APO -$949
50 f2 APO - $1,049
35mm f2 APO -$1,149
Why is CameraQuest ripping US customers for an extra $200 on this new lens? Because they can, they have been getting an extra $100 on the 50 APO for over a year. Why not double their extra profit here on the newest lens?
Me, I will pass and wait 6-8 months when a like mint used one sell for less than $800.
tsdevine wrote:
Got my email from Stephen Gandy to pay the balance on the preorder. The E mount versions are in transit and should ship from CameraQuest on 4/9 or soon after.
SpecFoto wrote:
C/V lists the E-Mount versions of the 65 f2 APO, 50 f2 APO and the new 35mm f2 APO at the same price of approx. 108,0000 Yen without the Japanese tax. This translates to around $985 dollars. Camera Quest lists their prices for the E-Mount lenses as:
65 APO -$949
50 f2 APO - $1,049
35mm f2 APO -$1,149
Why is CameraQuest ripping US customers for an extra $200 on this new lens? Because they can, they have been getting an extra $100 on the 50 APO for over a year. Why not double their extra profit here on the newest lens?
Me, I will pass and wait 6-8 months when a like mint used one sell for less than $800.
SpecFoto wrote:
C/V lists the E-Mount versions of the 65 f2 APO, 50 f2 APO and the new 35mm f2 APO at the same price of approx. 108,0000 Yen without the Japanese tax. This translates to around $985 dollars. Camera Quest lists their prices for the E-Mount lenses as:
65 APO -$949
50 f2 APO - $1,049
35mm f2 APO -$1,149
Why is CameraQuest ripping US customers for an extra $200 on this new lens? Because they can, they have been getting an extra $100 on the 50 APO for over a year. Why not double their extra profit here on the newest lens?
Me, I will pass and wait 6-8 months when a like mint used one sell for less than $800.
108 000 JPY is not correct official price without tax. Cosina lists the official Japan prices without tax (税別 means tax not included) already in their catalog and web site. Official Japan prices without tax (currently 10%) based on Cosina's 2012 product catalog and their website are:
So with tax these official prices would be 132 000 JPY for the 3 first lenses and 162 800 for the 110/2.5.
However, Japan market prices for lenses & cameras are usually quite noticeably lower than official prices in most shops.
Current shop prices e.g. at Map Camera which is a good (among the lowest cost) price reference for Japan, all of these prices are including 10% tax:
As I remember, 65/2 was priced higher in Japan at the time of launch but it's market price has been gradually coming down. U.S. has much better price on the 110/2.5 than Japan. I guess it's all dependent on expected demand and some other factors.
SpecFoto wrote:
C/V lists the E-Mount versions of the 65 f2 APO, 50 f2 APO and the new 35mm f2 APO at the same price of approx. 108,0000 Yen without the Japanese tax. This translates to around $985 dollars. Camera Quest lists their prices for the E-Mount lenses as:
65 APO -$949
50 f2 APO - $1,049
35mm f2 APO -$1,149
Why is CameraQuest ripping US customers for an extra $200 on this new lens? Because they can, they have been getting an extra $100 on the 50 APO for over a year. Why not double their extra profit here on the newest lens?
Me, I will pass and wait 6-8 months when a like mint used one sell for less than $800....Show more →
Not sure why you’re quoting the tax-free Japanese price. Is it because CameraQuest only charges 9% sales tax to California residents? But a retail customer in Japan pays consumption tax so a fairer comparison would be (say) with Map Camera whose price for the 35 AP0 is ¥115,000 which converts to about USD1050—$100 less than CameraQuest not $200.
FWIW the price of the 35 APO in Australia is AUD1495 which converts to about USD1140—essentially the same as the CameraQuest price. Members from Canada, the UK, and Europe can possibly correct me but my understanding is that there is not much variation in the prices of CV products in different markets around the world.
But hey, circumstances and priorities differ from one potential buyer to the next. I don’t want to wait for 6-8 months for a mint used copy to turn up because I want to be making pictures with the 35 APO now. Plus I want to support the local distributor because he does a superb job. CV could not possibly have a better person representing them in Australia.
It's a specialised piece of equipment and you won't know all price factors involved. These dealers are some of the best people at the enthusiast end of the business, so I encourage you to look past this small matter here. Give them a call and ask if you want.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
108 000 JPY is not correct official price without tax. Cosina lists the official Japan prices without tax (税別 means tax not included) already in their catalog and web site. Official Japan prices without tax (currently 10%) based on Cosina's 2012 product catalog and their website are:
So with tax these official prices would be 132 000 JPY for the 3 first lenses and 162 800 for the 110/2.5.
However, Japan market prices for lenses & cameras are usually quite noticeably lower than official prices in most shops.
Current shop prices e.g. at Map Camera which is a good (among the lowest cost) price reference for Japan, all of these prices are including 10% tax:
As I remember, 65/2 was priced higher in Japan at the time of launch but it's market price has been gradually coming down. U.S. has much better price on the 110/2.5 than Japan. I guess it's all dependent on expected demand and some other factors....Show more →
Thank you Juha for providing the correct information, I was led to believe the 120,000 JPY list price on the 3 lenses included the tax and you say it does not. So the 65 f2 APO is reduced in price as it has been out longer, that makes sense. However the 50 f2 APO and 35mm f2 APO are identically priced by C/V in Japan, but here in the US, Camera Quest released the 50 APO last year at $1,049 and it has remained at that level, but the new 35 APO is priced $100 more at $1,149 at its release ??
Maybe it's just me, but I have a $1,000 comfort level for new MF lenses, niche as they are, as Voigtlanders lens resale prices are much lower than Sony, or even Tamron. Had the 24 f1.4 GM for one a year and while a great lens, resold it at 85% of new. Currently have my Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 for sale and it will sell at about 80% of new after a year. My C/V 15mm f4.5 III come to find has reduced about 50% in value in the same time period.
This new 35 APO lens is $100 more here than the identically priced in Japan 50mm APO for whatever reason, and to me it is just too close in price now to the best new 35mm lens, the Sony f1.4 GM. I am very excited for a fast, high quality 35mm lens and the Sony is weather sealed, a full stop faster and has AF. While more expensive and a bit larger, to me the GM is a better long term value and will be the one I am buying new.
I think MF is pretty niche now-a-days, and niche usually demands some premium. Now as to why it's a $100 higher premium in the US for this specific lens (vs the CV 50 APO...another niche lens), who knows.
You can always give feedback about your concerns, and then speak with your wallet. If this drives you to the GM 35, well that's fair. No one should fault you for it.
-Tim
SpecFoto wrote:
Thank you Juha for providing the correct information, I was led to believe the 120,000 JPY list price on the 3 lenses included the tax and you say it does not. So the 65 f2 APO is reduced in price as it has been out longer, that makes sense. However the 50 f2 APO and 35mm f2 APO are identically priced by C/V in Japan, but here in the US, Camera Quest released the 50 APO last year at $1,049 and it has remained at that level, but the new 35 APO is priced $100 more at $1,149 at its release ??
Maybe it's just me, but I have a $1,000 comfort level for new MF lenses, niche as they are, as Voigtlanders lens resale prices are much lower than Sony, or even Tamron. Had the 24 f1.4 GM for one a year and while a great lens, resold it at 85% of new. Currently have my Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 for sale and it will sell at about 80% of new after a year. My C/V 15mm f4.5 III come to find has reduced about 50% in value in the same time period.
This new 35 APO lens is $100 more here than the identically priced in Japan 50mm APO for whatever reason, and to me it is just too close in price now to the best new 35mm lens, the Sony f1.4 GM. I am very excited for a fast, high quality 35mm lens and the Sony is weather sealed, a full stop faster and has AF. While more expensive and a bit larger, to me it is a better long term value and will be the one I am buying new. ...Show more →
SpecFoto wrote:
Thank you Juha for providing the correct information, I was led to believe the 120,000 JPY list price on the 3 lenses included the tax and you say it does not. So the 65 f2 APO is reduced in price as it has been out longer, that makes sense. However the 50 f2 APO and 35mm f2 APO are identically priced by C/V in Japan, but here in the US, Camera Quest released the 50 APO last year at $1,049 and it has remained at that level, but the new 35 APO is priced $100 more at $1,149 at its release ??
Maybe it's just me, but I have a $1,000 comfort level for new MF lenses, niche as they are, as Voigtlanders lens resale prices are much lower than Sony, or even Tamron. Had the 24 f1.4 GM for one a year and while a great lens, resold it at 85% of new. Currently have my Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 for sale and it will sell at about 80% of new after a year. My C/V 15mm f4.5 III come to find has reduced about 50% in value in the same time period.
This new 35 APO lens is $100 more here than the identically priced in Japan 50mm APO for whatever reason, and to me it is just too close in price now to the best new 35mm lens, the Sony f1.4 GM. I am very excited for a fast, high quality 35mm lens and the Sony is weather sealed, a full stop faster and has AF. While more expensive and a bit larger, to me the GM is a better long term value and will be the one I am buying new. ...Show more →
I, too, often think about the resale value of CV lenses. It's not great, but at the same time, it's not the only thing you should factor in unless you know you'll be flipping it eventually. There's an easy solution, buy it used at a pretty good discount and no tax. CV lenses are constantly on sale in the B&S forum.
CV lenses are beautiful, both in construction and how they render, but one thing that bothers me about them is the durability. In my experience, they ding and wear much easier than other lens manufacturers. Maybe it's just me.
