Come on Tiggy! You mean you haven't tested all 1000 cards and 100 card readers on the market yet?
No problem. I'll take whatever info you do have by the Black Friday sales and make best guesses on the rest. I used to be a Lexar/Sandisk buyer but given Lexar's sale and subsequent problems, I won't be buying them. And given the number of previously "lesser" brands that now seem mainstream and competitively priced and good quality, I likely won't be buying the more expensive Sandisk either. Delkin certainly has my attention.
EverLearning wrote:
Come on Tiggy! You mean you haven't tested all 1000 cards and 100 card readers on the market yet?
No problem. I'll take whatever info you do have by the Black Friday sales and make best guesses on the rest. I used to be a Lexar/Sandisk buyer but given Lexar's sale and subsequent problems, I won't be buying them. And given the number of previously "lesser" brands that now seem mainstream and competitively priced and good quality, I likely won't be buying the more expensive Sandisk either. Delkin certainly has my attention.
I think if recording high quality video is not important than the Transcend cards (even at the higher prices than when I bought them) are the best deal. Otherwise I'd be going Delkin. If you don't want 256 or 512 then I'd go Delkin. I can't even find a good source for Lexar in Canada. The Prograde Gold are the same price as Delkin yet don't support 8KRAW/4K120. The Prograde Cobalt 325GB is a decent deal for the top end performance but overkill for my needs.
I have the Prograde CFe/SD reader. It works great for my needs as I shoot my Canon with CFe and my Sony with SD. But I hook it up via USB-A/USB 3 on a 2015 iMac so any potential speed gains from other readers would be lost on me. Even so that reader is not TB3, just USB-C so if you want to really maximize speed you need a TB3 port and the Prograde CFe/XQD single slot TB3 reader that tiggy reviewed.
tiggy wrote:
The CFexpress card review was updated (one new firmware version, two new cards, and a bunch of data from the card reader test helped flesh things out). You can find that here: https://camnostic.com/cfexpress-cards-comparison/
Thanks for all the work. The only problem I see is most of these only accept a cfe card. Unless I'm missing something, that means you have to have another card reader for SD/SDHC/SDXC (UHS-II) cards.
ardvorak wrote:
Apologies if I've missed it somewhere, but did Angelbird ever come back with thoughts on the four-second polling issue?
BTW i have the same kind of issue of slow startup time (=several seconds) of my R5
with one of my SDXC card.
This is with the black&silver Lexar SDXC II V60 128 GB 1667x 250MB/s
So I think you should avoid it.
As I have no interest in video, anything over 128GB seems overkill and risky to me. That's about 2400 photos, or nearly 4000 if I succumb to the uncertain yet seductive call of C-RAW. I wouldn't be comfortable having 5000 or 8000 photos on one card. A failure, loss or theft when near full would be crushing.
As I am leaning towards the Delkin card reader and like what I have seen in Tiggy's review of bigger Delkin cards, I am leaning that way for the 64GB and 128GB cards, but open to other cards on Black Friday.
EverLearning wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts Arbitrage. Appreciated!
As I have no interest in video, anything over 128GB seems overkill and risky to me. That's about 2400 photos, or nearly 4000 if I succumb to the uncertain yet seductive call of C-RAW. I wouldn't be comfortable having 5000 or 8000 photos on one card. A failure, loss or theft when near full would be crushing.
As I am leaning towards the Delkin card reader and like what I have seen in Tiggy's review of bigger Delkin cards, I am leaning that way for the 64GB and 128GB cards, but open to other cards on Black Friday....Show more →
Yeah in Canada I'd go Delkin for sure if looking at those smaller sizes. I'm debating if I should return my 256GB Transcend and get a 128GB Delkin instead just so I can occasionally shoot some very short 8K RAW frame grabs and some slow mo video.
Now that I've been shooting CRAW there is no reason I need 256GB even with the ES blazing away at 20FPS without me realizing it half the time Most of the time I've been out shooting the R5 the remaining shot counter in CRAW to the 256GB card reads 9999.
But I only paid $18 more for the Transcend 256 compared to what a 128GB Delkin would cost me so not sure if I should swap or not??
ardvorak wrote:
Apologies if I've missed it somewhere, but did Angelbird ever come back with thoughts on the four-second polling issue?
When I reached out to Angelbird they acknowledged the issue & told me they were working on a fix with Canon. They said they would email me with updates as well.
This suggested to me that it could be addressed with a future firmware update to the R5.
AdamBlyth wrote:
When I reached out to Angelbird they acknowledged the issue & told me they were working on a fix with Canon. They said they would email me with updates as well.
This suggested to me that it could be addressed with a future firmware update to the R5.
I have two of their 512 GB cards and also contacted them about this issue about a month ago. They said they were working on it. I inquired about it again 2 weeks ago and was also told they would contact me with an update but nothing yet.
ManD, thanks for that tip. I have a couple of those myself, and we're including them in the SD card review for which we're starting to collect data this next week.
Advorak, my sense from the way the conversations went with the manufacturers (three on this topic) was that they expected/had knowledge of an upcoming fix in Canon firmware. They never said this explicitly, and it appeared the sort of thing that they were deliberately avoiding saying. They were very careful not to be critical of any camera manufacturer.
The common impression was that this is a new standard, and as such it naturally gets defined by the first devices that use it. Sort of like when Mosaic became the first popular web browser and effectively radically specified the HTML standard, even though there were previous browsers that just never quite took off as much.
For 18 months, most of the use of CFexpress was actually in industrial devices that required higher speeds. The first more popular sort-of-consumer devices were the 1DXiii and the C500ii. I'm told that the R5 behaves slightly differently with the cards, so the manufacturers are in a funny moment, where they're trying to figure out where the behaviors will settle.
You can imagine this is nerve wracking for companies like Nikon in addition to the card manufacturers. Nikon doesn't want to throw out a Z7ii with a CFexpress card slot that works great with all the cards out there, only to see some card manufacturers change firmware to suit an R5 edge case.
I also get the impression from these conversations that this is a normal sort of process that goes on with each newly introduced standard.
One interesting factor I'm discovering. Some manufacturers rely more on third party suppliers like Apacer to provide the cards. Others have custom manufacturing businesses for industrial uses. The latter companies have a much better ability to respond to these sorts of things. I think this is why Delkin's firmware update was relatively fast. They have engineers making odd versions of their cards for small batch applications, so adapting to a Canon foible was very much in their set of capacities.
The upshot: I'm using my Angelbird XT card quite a lot. I always leave my camera on, so it's waking from sleep, not from being off, and I am not affected by the startup delay. Others will be turning the camera on and off frequently, and this would drive them insane. I expect that there will be a camera firmware change eventually that'll eliminate that problem, but predicting Canon firmware schedules is a fool's game. There's a list of things that we'd like to see fixed in addition to this issue.
tiggy wrote:
ManD, thanks for that tip. I have a couple of those myself, and we're including them in the SD card review for which we're starting to collect data this next week.
You're welcome.
This is really the worse I have.
My R5 starts much faster with the other SDs I own including an older black&gold Lexar 64 GB SDXC II 2000X 300 MB/s.
I Believe they kept the name and that's all.
BTW i have the same kind of issue of slow startup time (=several seconds) of my R5
with one of my SDXC card.
This is with the black&silver Lexar SDXC II V60 128 GB 1667x 250MB/s
So I think you should avoid it.
Just saying
Man,
Thank you!
I know this is an R5 thread but my R6 had the same issue so after seeing this today I swapped out my two black&silver Lexar SDXC II V60 1667x 250MB/s cards for SanDisk cards and now my R6 wakes up immediately instead of having to wait several seconds.
Well the Angelbird CFexpress cards are 20% off in Australia at the moment (Digidirect) so I think I might pull the trigger and hope that they can work out the startup delay via firmware.
My R5 an my R6 take almost 4or5 seconds to wake up with DelkinSelect 128Gb and Lexar 28gb 1667x.
No delay with 90 mbs, 95mbs and 170mbs Gold or Red Sandisk.
I have very fast wake up with the following cards so far:
256GB Transcend CFExpress (the 512GB also was fine)
128GB Delkin Power SD UHS-II
64GB Sony SF-G Tough SD UHS-II
I will try to remember to test out some other SD cards I have like the old and new versions (before and after company changed hands) of the 32GB and 64GB Lexar 2000x SD UHS-II cards.
You can almost treat this like a DSLR with instant wake up from power OFF. So much better than my Sony cameras in that regard. Still I leave my R5 powered On all the time but my EVF and LCD are always off. LCD only on if I switch to it via my programmed REC button. EVF will go off after about 4-5s once down from my eye. I am developing the muscle memory to tap the shutter as I raise the camera to shoot and if I do that then the EVF is ready to go when the camera is to my eye.
Running both slots with Sandisk (128gb CFE) and a (64gb SD-II) Extreme Pro's. Wake up time is less than a second from sleep mode.
I've got the wake up routine down pretty well by tapping the shutter as soon as I start to raise the camera. I've been doing this even with DSLR's to get the IS ready quicker.
With that said, I can't tell you how many times I've scared myself to see a giant eyeball of a critter as soon as I pull the EVF up to my eye after chimping to check sharpness for motion blur using the rear LCD.
I've got to remember to tap that shutter after chimping as well before I do permanent heart damage.
One advantage to EVF that I really like is the ability to review and zoom images through EVF. Especially on bright sunny days. The details you can see on the R5 EVF is just amazing.
