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p.1 #1 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


So, I've always enjoyed fisheye lenses (not circular, but full frame fisheyes that span 180 corner to corner but don't vignette). I've generally had a fisheye in my kit for most every kit I've ever owned, and I've been lacking one for Sony since none really exist. I also didn't want to buy a Canon 15mm or DSLR Samyang 12mm fisheye because they take up an adapter, and in the case of the Samyang, it's quite a large lens. While I do like fisheyes, I also have a hard time justifying the generally high cost of one.

So, TTArtisan released an 11mm f/2.8 fisheye for Leica M, and later Sony E, and I read the review of the adapted M mount one on Phllip's site, and it looked very promising. At the original price of $360 or so, it was a 'maybe' buy, but I just checked now and the E-Mount version is now just $215. That's impulse buy territory. So I ordered and it came in today.

First impressions: This is a phenomenal value in a fisheye. It appears that it may be an equidistant fisheye (not stereographic as I previously thought based on focal length). It does a partial defish with Fisheye Hemi very well, maintaining full horizontal and vertical FOV while losing the corners.

The lens is quite nicely built, at least by exterior haptics. Seems more solid than my little 7Artisans 7.5mm fisheye for APS-C (which is a mediocre lens all around). Focus action is very well damped. Aperture ring is clickless (annoying), but heavily damped, so it's unlikely you'll accidentally move it (good).

Image quality is surprisingly excellent. Wide open, it's sharp in the center, even on my A7R IV, and then fades to softness at the edges. Even near MFD, it's sharp in the center wide open. Stop down to f/5.6 and it's sharp to the full frame corners. There's some CA, but all fisheyes have that, and I've definitely seen worse. Color and contrast are great. So far, this looks like a definite winner, and surpasses my expectations.

The lens:
http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/ttartisan11mm.jpg

Quick test shot in my house:
http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/ttartisan_test1.jpg

Partial defish with Fisheye Hemi:
http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/ttartisan_test1_hemi.jpg

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Jun 18, 2020 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #2 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Wow, that looks great, and the price is nice. It looks similar in concept to the stereographic 12mm Samyang ED NCS fisheye for DSLRs, but it appears to be more compact as it's made for mirrorless.

I didn't see "stereographic projection" mentioned in the description of the lens or in the phillipreeve review. Are you sure it has a stereographic projection?



Jun 18, 2020 at 02:52 PM
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p.1 #3 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


NJPhotographer wrote:
Wow, that looks great, and the price is nice. It looks similar in concept to the stereographic 12mm Samyang ED NCS fisheye for DSLRs, but it appears to be more compact as it's made for mirrorless.

I didn't see "stereographic projection" mentioned in the description of the lens or in the phillipreeve review. Are you sure it has a stereographic projection?


Edit: You know, I did some testing, and some close comparisons, and I think you're likely right. It isn't equisolid angle...the bulging and edge compression isn't that strong. However, looking at this page: http://michel.thoby.free.fr/Fisheye_history_short/Projections/Various_lens_projection.html I think it may be closer to Equidistant projection. There is minor distortion of circular objects when placed in the corner (I tested this against my Samyang 8mm on Fuji, which shows none), but nowhere near what you get in equisolid angle.



Jun 18, 2020 at 03:17 PM
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p.1 #4 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


I appreciate your follow up. Thank you for the interesting link too. I had not seen that before.


Jun 18, 2020 at 04:40 PM
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p.1 #5 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Looks good, Jordan. I went back and forth on this, but every time I buy an FE, it gets used a couple times and then just sits.

Are you the pianist in your family?



Jun 18, 2020 at 07:25 PM
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p.1 #6 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


All of us play, but my wife is the best by far (two music degrees). I did a few other quick tests outside...there's definitely a bit of field curvature, but not so bad it can't be overcome. Definitely worth stopping down to f/8 or so if shooting with detail near the edges that is near infinity (and focus to the hard stop).

It also is good enough at the edges that a full defish actually works pretty well...maintaining fairly good sharpness at the edges (though this results in a much lower total resolution...I'm using PerspectiveEfex for the defishing, and after doing so, I end up with around a 20-22 megapixel image (depending on the horizontal/vertical adjustment), but that's still plenty good enough for most uses.)

here's that test shot defished, then corrected for perspective distortion (since I had the camera tilted down a bit). This is still exceptionally wide, and around 11mm rectilinear FOV by my estimates.
http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/ttartisan_test1_defish.jpg

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Jun 18, 2020 at 07:36 PM
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p.1 #7 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


I'm looking for a good FF circular fisheye.

All the reviews I have seen for FF fisheyes are optically crappy. There is a good APS-C fisheye (Meike) but unfortunately you lose most of your pixels that way.

Anyone know of a FF fisheye up to the Meike standards (tons of bonus points for 10 aperture blades!)



Jun 18, 2020 at 08:06 PM
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p.1 #8 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Darn, you may have just cost me buying a Macro lens.

I've got two lenses I need an adapter for, a 10.5 Nikon fisheye and a 60mm Macro. I figured I needed the adapter indefinitely as there were no good fisheye alternatives. This looks like it might just work.

Note I cut the 10.5 so it provides a near circular image; it's a DX lens but on the FX it's almost a circle (top and bottom cut off slightly), and is very sharp. But using it with the adapter is a royal pain, it's kind of loose, the focus range is wrong like it's a bit too short or long.... But it works.

I may just have to try this, as you said "That's impulse buy territory"



Jun 18, 2020 at 08:17 PM
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p.1 #9 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


PS. I found one on Amazon that can be here Saturday. I'll call it my father's day present.


Jun 18, 2020 at 08:26 PM
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p.1 #10 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Thanks for the review. I’ve been thinking about a fisheye to play with, think it could be fun for some shots. But don’t want the bulk or price tag, this might solve both.

Jman13 wrote:
So, I've always enjoyed fisheye lenses (not circular, but full frame fisheyes that span 180 corner to corner but don't vignette). I've generally had a fisheye in my kit for most every kit I've ever owned, and I've been lacking one for Sony since none really exist. I also didn't want to buy a Canon 15mm or DSLR Samyang 12mm fisheye because they take up an adapter, and in the case of the Samyang, it's quite a large lens. While I do like fisheyes, I also have a hard time justifying the generally high cost of one.

So, TTArtisan released
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Jun 18, 2020 at 09:30 PM
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p.1 #11 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Looks great. Thanks Jordan!


Jun 18, 2020 at 10:02 PM
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p.1 #12 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


So...some samples showing the projection and coverage of this lens. I have three fisheyes at the moment: The Samyang 8mm for Fuji X, The 7Artisans 7.5mm for APS-C Sony, and this new TTArtisan 11mm.

Looking at the images (tripod mounted in the same location), you can see that both the 7Artisans and Samyang have the same projection. The 7Artisans has a very slightly wider field of view, but the projection is the same. As we know this Samyang is a stereographic projection, we can conclude that the 7Artisans 7.5mm is also a stereographic fisheye.

It is also obvious that the TTArtisan 11mm is not stereographic. The center appears closer, and while part of that is due to the narrow field of view, the angle of the curves at the top corners is different, as is the compression of size at the edges of the frame. Not sure what projection it is (nor how to truly find out). I suspect it is equidistant, mainly because of how good manual defishing is...it results in effectively perfect lines throughout, and equidistant is viewed as the ideal projection for that sort of thing, but that's just a guess. As noted, this also has a narrower field of view. Diagonaly it's probably around 170 degrees, and compared to stereographic, also reduced horizontal and vertical angle of view. So, something to be aware of. It's still exceptionally wide, of course.

Please excuse the clutter.

TTArtisan 11mm:
http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/ttartisan.jpg

Samyang 8mm:
http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/samyang.jpg

7Artisans 7.5mm:
http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/7artisans.jpg



Jun 19, 2020 at 09:08 AM
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p.1 #13 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


I hope this seems helpful not a hijack, but inspired by this I got the lens and have been experimenting a bit. In retrospect I am not sure I needed it, but as you said, it's priced for a bit of impulse buy.

I have a 10.5 Nikon fisheye, where I cut the hood off so it does more of an FX sized near circular image. Always liked that lens, hate having to use an adapter on the sony. I also have the 12-24 zoom that I tend to forget about, but it's pretty wide at 12 also. So I thought I would compare the three. The 10.5 is cropped to remove the vignetted portion so the scale is a bit odd.

The TTArtisan is on the left, 10.5 Nikon in the middle, 12-24@12 on the right, all about F13.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-chsb7Q7/0/acaa71be/O/i-chsb7Q7.jpg


The 11 vs the 12 in the center is pretty close -- this is a 2x zoom, not even 1:1 to try to see some difference:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-6p8bkPg/0/5594017a/O/i-6p8bkPg.jpg


Here's a corner, only one that had compatible texture, sorry it is a bit over exposed but I am keeping these with zero edits. This is also 2:1, so very, very magnified given it is a A7Riv.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Z9tGFLS/1/77382fa2/O/i-Z9tGFLS.jpg


These are all raws, no sharpening or profiles, including no CA correction applied. Just raw data.

Very impressive lens even not considering the price. I wish it was maybe a 8-9mm but I think it might work for me, I use the existing 10.5 on a monopod held over sports teams in a huddle and similar, and trying to get rid of the adapter.




Jun 20, 2020 at 02:59 PM
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p.1 #14 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Here's a shot from today...partial defish with Fisheye-Hemi. I noticed that this lens focus breathes a LOT, so you lose more FOV at closer focus distances than at the infinity hard stop. Also learned to stick to f/11 and larger apertures. Beyond f/11, diffraction takes a HUGE hit in sharpness...moreso than in most other lenses. (So, Linwood - I would suggest re-taking your comparisons but use f/8 instead of f/13.) At f/8 (this shot), it's very sharp...f/11 is still quite good, f/16 is quite soft across the frame.

http://www.jordansteele.com/2020/massies_fisheye.jpg

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Jun 21, 2020 at 11:07 AM
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p.1 #15 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Samyang makes a 12mm FF fisheye in a Sony E mount. I have one. However, really not smaller than a their Nikon mount version with an adapter attached.


Jun 22, 2020 at 08:34 AM
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p.1 #16 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


This thread convinced me to get one for sh*ts and grins. Thanks, Jordan.

Mine arrived today. Limited use so far and I'm generally not a big fan of fisheye. But this is a nice cheap way to have one if I ever get the itch to do it.

Jordan - Pardon my ignorance, I don't have any experience with defishing and was wondering if you could give a noob some pointers.

A snap from this evening.

TTArtisans 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye by Johndizzo15, on Flickr



Jun 23, 2020 at 01:06 AM
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p.1 #17 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Defishing can be done a few different ways. The easiest way, provided you have Lightroom, is just to enable profile corrections and select a profile from the Canon 15mm f/2.8 fisheye, and set amount of distortion correction to 95 (100 over corrects this fisheye). That is quick, easy, but also you lose a bit more resolution than in some other ways.

Perspective Efex in the latest Nik Collection can defish pretty well, though it scales to make the issues at the edge of the frame a bit less pronounced. The nice thing about doing it in there is they have edge stretching compensation which, when enabled, gives you a bit more horizontal field of view and also makes things look much more natural at the edges.

However, both of the above are 'full defishing', which turn the fisheye projection into a completely rectilinear projection. This in turn dramatically cuts the field of view from the fisheye (though it's still quite wide at around 11mm equivalent), though the Perspective Efex version cuts it a little less.

There is a plugin for Photoshop (and Affinity, etc) called Fisheye-Hemi ( https://imadio.com/products/prodpage_hemi.aspx ) , which does what I show above to be the 'partial defish.' What this does is straighten lines along one axis (you can set which one in version 2, but usually you'll have the straight lines in the vertical axis. The Full-Frame mode on Fisheye Hemi does a nice job right out of the gate, though there are a lot of settings to fine tune the process to correct certain curves in the right situations, though most of the time the default does a great job. It's $30, but if you plan on using your fisheye a reasonable amount, I think it's well worth it. Get V2 for photoshop, not V1 for lightroom (unless you only use lightroom), as the ability to fine tune and select axis is great to have.

The nice thing about this is that because it is only correcting the curves in one direction, it looks significantly more natural than the standard fisheye view, but also preserves almost the entirety of the horizontal and vertical field of view. Not only that, but because it's only correcting one axis, the impact to image quality is also much less than a full defish. It also will provide much more natural results with people in the frame.

Here's that sample shot of my livingroom with a variety of defishing techniques. I've straightened the image and applied perspective correction as well, which is why the FOV is a little less than it would be if I had not tilted the camera.






Original shot:







Defished with Lightroom, Canon 15mm profile at 95:







Defished with Perspective Efex, mild horizontal compression:







Partial Defish with Fisheye Hemi v2 (minor tweaks from base profile)...note the significantly wider FOV:







And an interesting one...still a partial defish, but I tweaked the settings in this one to also straighten the radial lines at the ceiling, which almost makes this look like a full defish, but with most of the field of view.




Jun 23, 2020 at 07:15 AM
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p.1 #18 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Jman13 wrote:
Defishing can be done a few different ways. The easiest way, provided you have Lightroom, is just to enable profile corrections and select a profile from the Canon 15mm f/2.8 fisheye, and set amount of distortion correction to 95 (100 over corrects this fisheye). That is quick, easy, but also you lose a bit more resolution than in some other ways.

Perspective Efex in the latest Nik Collection can defish pretty well, though it scales to make the issues at the edge of the frame a bit less pronounced. The nice thing about doing it in there is they have
...Show more

Thanks a ton for all the info and samples. The various fixes look great BTW. Will try out Perspective Efex and the LR profile.



Jun 23, 2020 at 11:56 AM
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p.1 #19 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Just tried to defish a few in LR. Noticed that there was a slight perspective change between the Canon and Adobe profile for the 15/2.8.

These were all between 75-90.

TTArtisans 11/2.8 - Defished by Johndizzo15, on Flickr
TTArtisans 11/2.8 - Defished by Johndizzo15, on Flickr
TTArtisans 11/2.8 - Defished by Johndizzo15, on Flickr



Jun 23, 2020 at 01:49 PM
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p.1 #20 · First Impressions: TTArtisan 11mm f/2.8 Fisheye


Very interesting lens!

Any impression about colors and contrast?

Does this lens gets rear filters?

Any idea on how this lens may compare with the nikon 16mm f3.5 AI?



Jul 05, 2020 at 09:44 AM
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