cbbr wrote:
Right, but aside from the 11-16, I would have to buy all new glass. A good D610 is around $400 (or D750 at $750) which gives her all of my glass.
you would need to invest in 1 lens and it would do dual duty and is relatively inexpensive @ $339. lighter, more compact and more versatile. less lens swapping too.
She's a teenager. She's still learning and growing as a photographer. What she enjoys shooting today may expand in the future. What if she decides she wants to try shooting dance, or gymnastics, or concerts, or dog shows, or rodeos, or sports? I would get her the D750 which is a very capable camera in all of those areas. I have owned both the D610 and the D750. If there is a chance that she may want to shoot anything other than still objects in good light, the upgrade in autofocus performance alone makes the D750 worth it.
sjms wrote:
you would need to invest in 1 lens and it would do dual duty and is relatively inexpensive @ $339. lighter, more compact and more versatile. less lens swapping too.
Unless I am missing something, I run from 11 to 50 at f2.8 and from there to 105 at f1.4, then 200/f2. I can't do that at all with your lenses and certainly can't with just one more. Shooting sharp with shallow DOF. (people) is all glass. And for a FF Nikon I am fairly well situated. That's why the inexpensive body appeals o me. I am just having second thoughts because the D750 has gotten to be very reasonably priced too.
that all depends on what your shooting and how one chooses to shoot it.
now the way i see it its 11-80 at 2.8 up to f4 w/ good overlap
i shoot all over so i tend to not try to carry as much glass as possible. its a perspective. i have essentially the same setup and overlap on the full frames and all i do is swap out 2 lenses. at the lower end.
cbbr wrote:
She shoots film, and likes the FOV far better (she shoots mostly wide shots). Better low light and shallow DOF would defiantly be a bonus. And, maybe most importantly, she could really take advantage of my lenses.
Lenses - my basic bag is 24-70, 70-200, 50/58/85/105/200. And then there are the 55 & 200 Macros, old Russian stuff, converted and Ai lenses, etc. She shoots mainly a 50/1.4 and 24/2.8 (film), and a 11-16/2.8, 35/1.8 and 18-200 (D7000). I will likely pick up a 20 1.8 & either a 28 or 35 1.4 as she continues to get better.
Thank you for the additional information! Given the lenses, transitioning to full frame seems reasonable. If it's really just about image (sensor) quality, then the D610 is fine. I would check all the incremental improments in handling and settings when comparing to the D750. Also, the Z6 may be worth consideration. In this case, Z6 would be for landscape/portrait, and you could add a D750 for action. A D610, however, would not add substantially to a Z6. I'd say, D750 or Z6 is future-proof, but the D610 may be the cheaper, transitional choice.
i see you like aircraft. like that P&W logo too. and that is rare to find on an engine. usually only the logo mount is only there. most are pried off by techs within a short time of induction. i am a history buff and did some work for them many years ago. that's a logo that never saw an engine from the '70s it was destined for a F100PW200. never got there. then there's the Pratt engine handbook from 1929.
in my work i get to photograph history.
for me the use or overuse of DOF is again a matter of perspective
cbbr wrote:
The 850 doesn't interest me for 3 reasons - 1) price (I buy 2 at a time to have a backup) 2) different batteries (I have 16 for my current cameras) 3) Storage. Its a great looking body, but it doesn't buy me a big enough jump from the D810's for the money for what I shoot. That said, prices are dropping for the D850, so she will inherit a D810 soon enough. And I bought a Gitzo right out of the gate.
Smart move with the Gitzo. Wish I had done the same. Anyways...are far as you points above...
1) I get the price argument.
2) D7000, D610, D750, D810, D850 all use EN-EL15 batteries. Sure the "newer" version of the batteries provide more shots with the newer cameras but they all use the same battery.
3) I'm confused. I thought your OP said your daughter is looking to upgrade a D7000 to a FF camera such as D610 or D750. But then you said a D850 isn't a big enough step up for YOU and YOUR D810? Who's doing the upgrade? If she will inherit your D810 then why purchase a D610 or D750 now? What timescale are you talking about?
Maybe you should get a D850 now and hand down your D810 now? You and daughter will both get an upgrade and both will save money in the long run and both have awesome, future proof cameras. RIGHT NOW.
I just feel a D7000 to D610 or D750 ain't worth it. To little of an upgrade, considering the age of those cameras. And if handing down your D810 is in the future anyways buying a D610 or D750 now makes even less sense.
For some reason I thought that the D850 needed the newer version (its own battery). But I don't own one because they are twice the money and the jump in spec is not worth twice the money for me as the D810.
As for future proofing, I tend to go the other direction - I wait and generally buy the last model. Both the D610 & the D750 were listed at $1,500 new. I can buy them now for a fraction of that and they have not lost a step. Certainly there are camera's that are better/faster/more, but that doesn't degrade the older models. It does, on the other hand degrade my bank account to chase the latest model if I don't need the new better/faster/more.
I am looking at FF because she really likes the FOV better. So that is better/faster/more that is worth the investment to me. What I am trying to decide is whether the D750 is better/faster/more in a necessary way such that paying twice as much is worth it.
I love the D600/D610 sensor. Having said that, I now use a D750 and will be eventually selling my D600. Nice size on the D750 and I do use the tilting LCD/live view for low level shooting. With the D600 I had to carry an angle finder attachment.
1. AF - The D610 has the same AF system as the D7000, the D750's AF is MUCH better.
2. Ergonomics. The D6x0's have the worst ergonomics of any Nikon body. The D750 is one of the best.
I've owned both the D600 and D750. I would never buy another D6x0 (and I was recently offered one for ~$350USD with 8k on the shutter). The ergonomics on the D6x0's are actively painful to me, while the D750 is my second-favourite FX body to hold (after the D700)
The vertical grip for the D850 uses the same EN-EL15 battery as the D850 body. However, if want to increase the frame rate from 7 to 9 fps you need to use the larger D5 class battery (EN-EL18) in the D850's vertical grip.
Regardless of everything else said above that "D610 + vertical grip + 50/1.8G lens + WU-1b wireless adapter = $900" posted above is a screaming good deal. Especially if she has a use for that lens.
A gripped D610 feels A LOT BETTER in the hands than a grip-less D610. For me with average hands a naked D610 doesn't feel quite right. Gripped D610 feels good and solid to me. So if size/weight aren't a big concern a gripped D610 is probably equal or a bit better than a grip-less D750 as far as holding camera is concerned. If daughter has smaller hands and size/weight is a concern a grip-less D750 will feel better in her hands than grip-less D610.
I always use grips. She does not (much smaller hands). So I agree for myself, but to her it would be too much. I have never shot with a D750, but this is the kind of difference that I was wondering about - things that only those with time on both would know.
Unfortunately she has 50 1.4D and I have a Sigma (non-art) 50 1.4 that is spot on as well as a 58 1.4, so I'm not sure what we would do with another 50 or the grip.
rw11 wrote:
can you explain the Ergonomic adv.s of the D750?
Deeper handgrip and skinnier body are the big items, but you really have to hold both to understand.
The D600 and D610 have very shallow grips, but they're not shallow enough to allow an altered hand position like the Df can use, your fingertips get shoved into the thick body in any position where the shutter and control dial are readily accessible. Picture a D7000 but with a thicker body removing the comfortable fingertip resting position.
the D750 however has enough grip depth for just about any hands to hold it comfortably.
It's a night & day difference IMHO. The D600/D610 are the worst grip designs Nikon has come up with, and I say that as somebody who has owned a lot of Nikon bodies over the years.
I should note that adding the MB-D14 grip doesn't fix the problem I have with the D600's grip design.
Thx - I've little experience holding a D750 but never had issues with the D610 either. The D610 grip was a lot better than my F3, FM, FE, and others tho...
Overall, she might want the D610 if cost is paramount or she has small hands.
But, lenses/tripods might be the things to look at. I hope the OP will update with how she likes what she does get.
