p.2 #1 · Canon EOS R rises above the "4K nothing-burger" -- Northrup shares thoughts
mdvaden wrote:
This post is mainly about the 4K issue specifically being blown out of proportion. Otherwise, I found that the EOS R w/ RF and EF glass ran circles around 5D mk iv, etc.. in a nutshell. I think it boils down to each person. At first, some like youtuber Polin didn't like the lack of joystick. Month later, he did a 180 and praised the removal of the joystick. As for the touchbar, I find it a brilliant addition, because it can be turned off, or be enabled.
But as for 4K, it's a feature blown out of proportion these days. It has it's place, but not everywhere and in every model. The past few years, it seems like most cameras regardless of price point, get caught in a whirlwind of all the high end features and specs.
As for this thread and the link to Northrup, hoping to more emphasize 4K being put in its place, than simply the EOS R.
When we talk about "4K has been blown out of proportion" in terms of necessity in every camera, I think that's true.
If past predictions of 4K ubiquity had panned out, 1080p ought to have been totally phased out by last year. But 1080p is certainly not defunct, it's bigger than ever. Part of the reason is that younger audiences haven't transitioned to media displays that benefit 4K...most people in the peak market demographic for video are living their best lives on cell phones and tablets.
Where is the 4K video product market that someone who would buy an EOS R is trying to reach? It's not YouTube. It's not Vimeo. It's nobody's business website. It's not even Pornhub.
Okay, now someone is going to say "ME!" but how many of you are there to make the market for a 4K EOS R worthwhile such that the feature becomes an existential necessity?
People who have a viable 4K product market are more realistically in the market for a much more capable video machine.
p.2 #2 · Canon EOS R rises above the "4K nothing-burger" -- Northrup shares thoughts
RDKirk wrote:
When we talk about "4K has been blown out of proportion" in terms of necessity in every camera, I think that's true.
If past predictions of 4K ubiquity had panned out, 1080p ought to have been totally phased out by last year. But 1080p is certainly not defunct, it's bigger than ever. Part of the reason is that younger audiences haven't transitioned to media displays that benefit 4K...most people in the peak market demographic for video are living their best lives on cell phones and tablets.
Where is the 4K video product market that someone who would buy an EOS R is trying to reach? It's not YouTube. It's not Vimeo. It's nobody's business website. It's not even Pornhub.
Okay, now someone is going to say "ME!" but how many of you are there to make the market for a 4K EOS R worthwhile such that the feature becomes an existential necessity?
People who have a viable 4K product market are more realistically in the market for a much more capable video machine....Show more →
Valid reasons for wanting 4K were already mentioned — improved quality when downsampled to HD and the ability to crop. These may not be worth the storage requirements for some, but for others they may.
p.2 #3 · Canon EOS R rises above the "4K nothing-burger" -- Northrup shares thoughts
I believe the reason for many people to want 4K video is due to youtube giving more bandwidth to 4K video than FullHD so this makes it looks better, even though a better result from FullHD could also be achieved by upsampling it to 4K before uploading. ;-)
I have a 50" 4K television and the only place where I can see the difference between 4K and FullHD content is in the rendering of the text superimposed on the video. For example, in Netflix 4K content I can see that the text and fonts are more crisp in 4K than FullHD. But the actual substantial content, I can't see any difference at normal viewing distances. And in fact I'm perfectly happy watching movies on SD DVDs. The bandwidth is more important than the resolution.
This is from a consumer's perspective. I don't shoot much video myself because it's such a complex endeavor to control all the movements, audio etc. as a one-person operation.
p.2 #4 · Canon EOS R rises above the "4K nothing-burger" -- Northrup shares thoughts
Tony Northrop is a popular youtube personality, but he is usually wrong in so many ways, and even when he is right، it is half truth.
Dedicated videographers use dedicated video cameras. It is the photographers, and videographers on tight budget, who use these cameras. If you are shooting events, particularly things like weddings, birthdays, and such, 4K is almost always a requirement from client. They may never see the difference, but that is not the point. They want their memories to be as good a quality as they can afford.
The problem with cropped 4k then is that creators need to carry two sets of lenses, because the 24mm is suddenly 40mm, which defeats the purpose of hybrid camera. Moreover wide aperture primes are not available for crop sensor (though sigma has a very good exception but it is not wide enough at wide angle). So I can't find a replacement for 24mm f/1.4 to do 4k video that my client asked me to do. Also low light performance suffers with the crop. So there is the problem.
R is also not a general purpose camera like 5d, with limited continuous shooting, it is basically a true still life camera.
p.2 #5 · Canon EOS R rises above the "4K nothing-burger" -- Northrup shares thoughts
indusphoto wrote:
If you are shooting events, particularly things like weddings, birthdays, and such, 4K is almost always a requirement from client. They may never see the difference, but that is not the point. They want their memories to be as good a quality as they can afford.
Interesting. So you're saying if today I go out and ask 100 couples, married last year, and at random, that 9 out of 10 would tell me they (on their own accord) asked or specified 4K from a videographer?
That would surprise me given how near-zero couples ever ask or specify still image resolution. But you're 100% positive that's what they'd say if polled or asked?
p.2 #6 · Canon EOS R rises above the "4K nothing-burger" -- Northrup shares thoughts
mdvaden wrote:
Interesting. So you're saying if today I go out and ask 100 couples, married last year, and at random, that 9 out of 10 would tell me they (on their own accord) asked or specified 4K from a videographer?
That would surprise me given how near-zero couples ever ask or specify still image resolution. But you're 100% positive that's what they'd say if polled or asked?
If nobody was talking about 4K, clients wont ask. However either because of their friends, competing photo/videographer, or their latest purchased TV, people do ask for it. In fact people even talk about Photos in terms of HD and 4K terms.
I have not done any scientific poll, so I will be interested in your poll results if you do that.
