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cvrle59 wrote:
I just shot a quire concert in a church with X-T3/16mm f1.4/56mm f1.2 without speedlight. Try to do it with your iPhone, so we can compare results.
I used my P30 Pro a lot last summer during sunny daylight, and I was quite happy, but for any critical shot, I pulled out my X-T3.
BTW, if you can't justify owing Fuji, and you're so happy with results from your iPhone, just sell it, simple as that.
I think we're aware of the phones are getting better and better, not just iPhone, there are some other phones released before iPhone 11, but they can't
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Of course there are going to be circumstances where a APS-C interchangeable lens camera will outperform a phone camera by a large margin, such as low light, fast moving subjects, subjects requiring telephoto lenses (birds/wildlife), etc.

My point here is that especially for photos in good light the gap continues to narrow.




Nov 26, 2019 at 08:34 AM
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p.2 #2 · Fuji vs Iphone 11 Pro


michael49 wrote:
Of course there are going to be circumstances where a APS-C interchangeable lens camera will outperform a phone camera by a large margin, such as low light, fast moving subjects, subjects requiring telephoto lenses (birds/wildlife), etc.

My point here is that especially for photos in good light the gap continues to narrow.



I agree, I use my phone more than ever!




Nov 26, 2019 at 08:42 AM
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p.2 #3 · Fuji vs Iphone 11 Pro


michael49 wrote:
Not really.

Here is a 100% crop from both...



First, those appear to be quite different. Second, posting to the internet is a terrible way to compare. Try printing at 8x10 and look at the photos critically. Like I mentioned earlier, Apple knows that we are now 99% posted to web and they've optimized for that.



Nov 26, 2019 at 09:02 AM
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cvrle59 wrote:
I just shot a quire concert in a church with X-T3/16mm f1.4/56mm f1.2 without speedlight. Try to do it with your iPhone, so we can compare results.
I used my P30 Pro a lot last summer during sunny daylight, and I was quite happy, but for any critical shot, I pulled out my X-T3.
BTW, if you can't justify owing Fuji, and you're so happy with results from your iPhone, just sell it, simple as that.
I think we're aware of the phones are getting better and better, not just iPhone, there are some other phones released before iPhone 11, but they can't
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It's going to be a while before phone cameras can perform well in that kind of scenario simply because the sensors have to be so small. But what these cameras lack in hardware they make up for in software -- machine learning, image stacking, etc. That helps them capture really nice images in low light. And this is tech that most SLR and mirrorless companies are not doing yet (partly because they might not have to, and partly for other reasons).

I mean, shooting a quiet concert in a church is a niche use. I think something like 98% of cameras sold today are in phones, the remaining 2% are a smattering of DSLRs, mirrorless, and compact digital. So, for some people they cannot replace a "real" camera (whatever that means), but for the vast majority of people they already have.



Nov 26, 2019 at 09:35 AM
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It would be interesting to see the computational power and software tricks available in the iPhone in a camera with better/larger sensor. I was shooting with my GFX 50S alongside a friend with an iPhone 11 (in good light) and I was impressed with the image quality he got. He also had his images at hand and had shared them even before I could start up the horrible Fujifilm Camera Remote app. In the case where you need good photos and wan't them instantly available the iPhone is terrific. My friend also told me he even managed to capture a decent aurora photo with his phone.


Nov 26, 2019 at 10:28 AM
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mdude85 wrote:
It's going to be a while before phone cameras can perform well in that kind of scenario simply because the sensors have to be so small. But what these cameras lack in hardware they make up for in software -- machine learning, image stacking, etc. That helps them capture really nice images in low light. And this is tech that most SLR and mirrorless companies are not doing yet (partly because they might not have to, and partly for other reasons).

I mean, shooting a quiet concert in a church is a niche use. I think something like 98% of cameras
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Any time I was on the market for a phone, number one line from the spec was to have the best camera at the time,
so my phone history is, Nokia N8, Nokia 1020, Lumia 950, Huawei P10, and currently Huawei P30 Pro which came out back in April and still one of the best cameras on the market.
So I am perfectly aware of what phones can do, and I used them a lot in past. My most liked photo on Flickr is made by P30 Pro, and one of my favorite photos of my grand daughter was made with Nokia 1020.
BTW, Nokia 1020 was the first phone with really good camera that I could count on.
But, phone can do certain things, beyond that, real camera will take care of the rest.
There is room for either one!




Nov 26, 2019 at 10:32 AM
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AndrewNYC wrote:
First, those appear to be quite different. Second, posting to the internet is a terrible way to compare. Try printing at 8x10 and look at the photos critically. Like I mentioned earlier, Apple knows that we are now 99% posted to web and they've optimized for that.


Exactly right...most images are viewed off the internet. I've got a few older iPhone images that I've printed to 11x14 and am happy with the results. What makes you think you can't print an 8x10 from an iPhone image?




Nov 26, 2019 at 10:52 AM
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In good light and if you are not printing it that big, larger than A4 size an iphone will be the way to go. After all it's a $1,000 camera.


Nov 26, 2019 at 11:00 AM
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Most people alive today (and yet to be born) will only make photographs with their phones. And most of those photographs will be viewed on phones or tablets.

When I need to remember where my car is parked, or how much that thing at the store was, nothing beats my phone camera. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I brought a "proper" camera to a family visit or other social engagement. The pictures would have been better, but the phone ones are more than good enough.

But I don't have any camera phone pictures in my Lightroom catalogue for "serious" photography. As the years go by, I expect some will creep in.



Nov 26, 2019 at 11:23 AM
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Sauseschritt wrote:
Um.

How many decades exactly ?

Assuming "couple decades" is at least 3 decades, well thats shortly after the introduction of autofocus and still deep into the film area.


I'm taking a long view here, and thinking about how most people (who are not "serious photographers") did the kinds of photography that are now done on smartphones.

These are the folks who used to buy a point and shoot film camera — 35mm or sometimes things like Instamatic or Polaroid — to record their lives — birthday and holiday gatherings, vacations, and so forth. I'm old enough to have actually used things like no-focus cameras equipped with only a film advance knob (120 film!) and a shutter button, and to have seen the advent of Polaroid and Instamatic, and then the more advanced small cameras of the 1990s or so.

But it isn't the specific technology so much as it is the functional purpose of these cameras — which was to make the camera inexpensive, produce decent small prints (literally "prints"), easy to carry and use.

That role has now been taken over almost completely by smartphones, and this makes a lot of sense. The phone makes better photographs than many of the old consumer cameras, it is always with you, it includes features like AF and automatic exposure, it doesn't require a trip to the drug store to "get the film developed," and it is incredibly easy to share the images on social media and in similar ways. And for those who do print, the quality is quite decent — better, I would argue, than what folks got from those old point-and-shoot film cameras... and even better than what they got from the digital point-and-shoot cameras before that market pretty much dried up.

I'm still unconvinced that smartphone cameras will supplant cameras of the sort that are typically discussed (and used) by folks in forums like this one.

In one sense that isn't surprising. Even back in the days when point-and-shoot cameras were used to do what is now typically done with smartphones, the percentage of people using high quality cameras to do photography was quite small. (It is easy for many of us to overlook that since in our worlds the good stuff was our focus. I was "doing photography" seriously by the time I was in high school, and it seemed like all my friends had, used, or were aspiring to own high quality cameras... but that is because I hung out with other photographers! More objectively, the group at my high school that was serious about cameras in this way was perhaps a dozen or maybe up to 20 students... in a school with well over 1000 students.)

The point is that the market for "high end" (sorry I don't have a better term, so I'll go with it) gear has always been a small minority fo people using cameras. If anything, the percentage might be a bit higher today due to the availability fo less expensive DSLR and mirrorless cameras and the fact that folks can do post-processing without access to a darkroom!

The challenge for photography companies isn't so much that smart phones are going to replace the high end market — I don't see much evidence of that. (Those pointing to the higher sales a few years back forget that this was an unsustainable bubble as the technology came up to speed.) The problem is that their mass market for inexpensive, simple cameras is pretty much gone, taken over by smartphones, and it isn't coming back. The high end, loosely speaking, is what remains for them. That is a viable market, but it is smaller than the old mass market supported and, I'm convinced, it cannot support all of the high end camera companies still competing for that market.

Dan



Nov 26, 2019 at 11:41 AM
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The issue with the fake BG blur in the iphone shots has always been the subject to BG transition. In your iphone photo her hair on her left shoulder looks quite funny where it suddenly "smudges" into the BG...at such small size it might be hard to see for some but blow it up on a 4K screen or print it and the artifacts will become much more noticeable. if you get closer to the subject the artifacts will become worse

I have a couple of shots with iphone 11 pro max where parts of the subject's head is missing, blended into the BG. It's a joke ....

this site has a good side by side comparison, the subject's face in iphone photo looks fat and distorted and the OOF hair just looks awful....

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/9077521352/iphone-xs-how-does-the-variable-bokeh-effect-compare-to-a-real-lens

sorry but no thanks



Nov 27, 2019 at 12:06 AM
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"near total collapse"... ha ha, there's at least one doomsday prepper in every sector of the industry. and it's getting really old..

rattymouse wrote:
The posted photos above are waaay beyond "good enough" for 90+% of the people and that is why there has been a near total collapse in sales at the traditional camera makers.





Nov 27, 2019 at 12:58 AM
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p.2 #13 · Fuji vs Iphone 11 Pro


Phones are good for taking the odd picture when you want to capture a moment and don't have anything else. I use the gopro when I'm going to be out in bright daylight and think something photo/video worthy might happen. Breaking that isn't near as bad as losing/breaking the phone. If we're out in the morning or evening in good light or it's going to be quite dark or I think I need the reach of a tele...Fuji is worth the weight.


Dec 04, 2019 at 07:46 PM
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Fuji vs i Phone.... !


Dec 04, 2019 at 07:51 PM
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Sauseschritt wrote:
Um.

How many decades exactly ?

Assuming "couple decades" is at least 3 decades, well thats shortly after the introduction of autofocus and still deep into the film area.


A couple means two, that's why it's called a couple



Dec 05, 2019 at 10:43 AM
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I wonder how well gigpixel AI does with apple raw files?


Dec 05, 2019 at 12:26 PM
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The problem is the ban to Huawei, but still..
I wouldn't use neither Pixel 4 nor iPhone 11 as a reference, Mate 30 Pro is the most advanced phone on the market right now, and it has cameras with very impressive specs.
At least, it shows where phone technology is going to...I wish I can buy it with Android on it, to replace my P30 Pro, but it's not available even in Canada.



Dec 05, 2019 at 12:33 PM
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