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Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

  
 
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philip_pj wrote:
How could you sell this one! Joking of course, it's always bitter sweet selling lenses to do something else. I have to do this soon myself with several, now Fred has convinced me to get the UT treatment for the a7rII.

Tasmania is the least changed part of Eastern Australia, still very traditional, the most 'Australian' region we have. The natural world is more beautiful than photos can convey. I'm not helping am I?

I hope you get to go some time. My heart is in Hobart, a genuine bohemian city - some kind of racial memory thing that can't
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Yes, it was a tough decision, but I’m going to replace with the Nikkor 85/1.2 as I’m starting to shoot weddings, events etc. I’d otherwise hang on to it, as it’s a great lens. I’m also letting go of another favorite, my Nikon 28/1.4 D… another shelf queen that’ll contribute to the new 85.

Thanks for the extra motivation to visit… now I just have to get my wife on board!



Aug 04, 2024 at 08:22 AM
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'shelf queen', I have to thieve that one! I have a shelf royal family, and it's time to move some of them on. If you go, please don't fly via NZ.


Aug 04, 2024 at 04:44 PM
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p.37 #3 · p.37 #3 · Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


This is an example of the fine retention of detail and colour performance of the 75/1.5, it's a crop of around 30% of the frame. This is an extremely handy attribute for travel photography.







Aug 06, 2024 at 05:08 PM
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p.37 #6 · p.37 #6 · Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


Not just a pretty face is the 75/1.5. It did much better than expected here, church interior, Launceston, Tasmania. This lens has a bright future, a modern classic IMO.




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Aug 22, 2024 at 09:04 PM
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p.37 #7 · p.37 #7 · Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


VE version used with adapter on the A7s is my lightweight / bright portrait lens combo



Aug 25, 2024 at 03:19 PM
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Cosina should be calling their lenses based on mount identifiers: VE, VRF, VZ. Such a pleasure to use this lens, even on non-IBIS EVF cameras it's pretty easy. All the images posted above come out of a Sony a7r (465g) and the adapter is 36g, lens is 350g - the all-up is 851 grams. I have a hard time taking it off to use another lens, for the things it does well.

Not often acknowledged is that Leica M cameras are quite heavy. The latest ones have settled at around 660 grams.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4502643

I like the half pound saving and EVF, focus magnification and light gain I get with the old (2012 design) Sony. couple more:




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Aug 29, 2024 at 05:49 PM
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p.37 #12 · p.37 #12 · Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


How does this lens [75mm/f1.5] compare to the Voigtländer 65mm/f2.0?
What would the advantages be of one over the other?

Weigt wise the 65mm is 625g versus 515g for the e-mount Version of the 75mm.
The difference in horizontal FOV is 15%, which not really significant.

With an Apo lens [in this case the 65mm] I could expect a more distinct transition between in-focus and out-of-focus areas according to Peter Karbe, if this can be transfered to Voigtländer lenses.


Explanation at ~ 30 minutes, 0 seconds (30:00)

What other drawing differences can I expect at f2.0; f2.8; f4 or f5.6 between the Voigtländer 75mm and 65mm?



Sep 13, 2024 at 05:32 AM
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p.37 #13 · p.37 #13 · Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


Knut. wrote:
How does this lens [75mm/f1.5] compare to the Voigtländer 65mm/f2.0?
What would the advantages be of one over the other?

Weigt wise the 65mm is 625g versus 515g for the e-mount Version of the 75mm.
The difference in horizontal FOV is 15%, which not really significant.

With an Apo lens [in this case the 65mm] I could expect a more distinct transition between in-focus and out-of-focus areas according to Peter Karbe, if this can be transfered to Voigtländer lenses.


Explanation at ~ 30 minutes, 0 seconds (30:00)

What other drawing differences can I expect at f2.0; f2.8; f4 or f5.6 between the Voigtländer 75mm and
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I have had both lenses (the 75 f/1.5 in M mount, however) and here is my take. Yes, the 65 f/2 APO Macro has a fast transition from in focus to out of focus--I call this transition abrupt, and unlike Peter Karbe I don't particularly like it. It can make this transitional bokeh pretty busy if the background has any texture to it at all. That said it does add some pop and punch to the image and yes the bokeh from the 65 f/2 APO is otherwise quite nice. I do generally like the bokeh of the 75 f/1.5 better, however. They left some uncorrected spherical aberration in the 75 f/1.5 wide open and in my opinion they left just the right amount so the image is still decently sharp, but the bokeh has a smoother transition and a nice quality. Of course all of this is subjective and you might not feel the same way at all.

The big difference between the two which really isn't subjective is the close focus performance. The 65 f/2 APO as a Macro (or near Macro if you are a purist with the label) has beautiful close focus performance. It is of course a strength of the lens. The 75 f/1.5 even at .7M with the Leica M version really starts to loose sharpness at MFD. I would say close focus performance is one of its weaknesses and I really wish Cosina would have added floating elements to this lens to improve the close focus performance. Under 1M, they are night and day different performers with the 65 f/2 APO being much sharper and displaying in my view a much stronger performance.

Stopped down at long focus distances the two lenses are a lot more similar. I would still give a slight nod to the 65 f/2 APO in these situations for sharpness, but you really have to look hard to see it.

Personally, between these two lenses I think the choice can be made based on which type of bokeh you like best and whether you want to use close focus much. For me that is a split decision. I like the bokeh of the 75 f/1.5 better, but I do want a lens with good close focus at this focal length. One way I would describe it for me is that I like the 75 f/1.5 better for portraits and I like the 65 f/2 APO better for close focus shots.

What I have ended up doing is going with the Zeiss Loxia 85 f/2.4. It is between the other two in weight. It has very nice bokeh as a Sonnar without asph elements, and it has quite good close focus performance. It doesn't have as much bokeh or quite as nice bokeh in some ways as the 75 f/1.5, and its close focus performance while very good doesn't match the 65 f/2 APO. It isn't as well corrected for axial CA as the 65 f/2 APO, but it is quite well corrected for axial CA too. It does everything really well, portraits, close focus, landscapes, and I want a general purpose lens at this focal length so it fits what I want. There are lots of good choices beyond these three at about this focal length (the Voigtlander 75 f/1.9 has bokeh a bit more like the 65 f/2 APO and is much smaller but must be adapted to E mount is one example; if you like autofocus the Sigma i series 65 f/2 is also an interesting option), so there is no shortage of options you just have to decide what you want most and how to optimize that with your choice.



Sep 13, 2024 at 08:11 AM
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p.37 #14 · p.37 #14 · Voigtlander 75mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


Thank you!


Sep 13, 2024 at 06:31 PM
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I believe the 75/1.5 does what the 65/2 does better than the inverse. By their design intent, macros (even 1:2) are going to be judged differently and so must attend to high clarity and close focus excellence. They capture scenes in a highly polished manner with great color, but I see most of them, including the 65/2, failing as a portrait lens. It's not their job.

Which may indicate both my preferences for the look I want at this recently distributed focal length, and Cosina's admirable move to producing a genuine people lens, that nevertheless caresses the subject at mid apertures. It's also one of the easiest lenses to handhold in my experience, and this seems to be a common thread among the old Sonnars I have as well. I hope we see more 75mm lenses.

Frankly, it's hard to think of another lens of this ilk amid the huge and growing repertoire of so many lens makers operating today. People actually criticize it for its wide open performance and near distance lack of sharpness! I find that lamentable.

I struggle to recommend reviews for anything more than basic facts and mainstream opinion, but this one is an exception - note the calm presentation, the well-prepared Leica history, market analysis and the comments:



Other reviewers have quite diverse takes on the 75/1.5:

'Voigtlander Nokton 75mm F1.5 Review | Zeiss on a Budget?'
Dustin Abbott appreciates the color and special rendering.

The f-stop guy doesn't like compression and prefers lighter lenses than the Z version, and thinks it looks like an M lens:
'Voigtlander Nokton 75mm f/1.5 Nikon Zf'

Marc Alhadeff thinks the lens lacks personality and character and is too neutral:
https://sonyalpha.blog/2024/09/05/voigtlander-75mm-f1-5-nokton/

By their judgments, the judges are judged.
See Fred's conclusions for each of these fine CV lenses as well. You will then have a well rounded impression.



Sep 13, 2024 at 08:32 PM
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