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Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review

  
 
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p.28 #1 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
I wonder if the new M-mount hood will also fit the E-mount since they share the same 62mm filter thread:


It would be nice if it's a screw in hood like the CV 40 f1.2. It's so convenient to just turn the hood to turn the CPL, without removing the hood in order to turn the CPL. I ordered a cheapo 62mm screw in hood from China to try out, it may cause vignetting though. Hope it doesn't come with the virus....



Jan 22, 2020 at 03:55 PM
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Hardcore wrote:
No, it’s a live view mode on the Nikon to be able to zoom in on 2 parts of the image at once. Great for confirming hyperfocal and if both near and far objects are both in focus . Hope that makes sense.



Great idea! Wish my Sony had it!



Jan 22, 2020 at 03:56 PM
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p.28 #3 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


pdmphoto wrote:
Stacking comes along with some issues as well, especially with movement between frames.


Of course; though when it works well it works very well; and if you have the right combination of source frames you can usually make it work, though the worse the movement or alignment issues, the more work it'll be. Sometimes, in the field, you have no choice but to stop right down (though there may be movement and light issues associated with that of course - and if you have a tripod then stacking is easier, and if there is too much movement of foliage etc for that, it'll likely be blurred in a low ISO f11 frame).

The message is, whatever it takes. If you can only get the image you want in the circumstances with f11 or smaller, the image trumps a small technical side effect every time. And for people who don't enjoy work in post, f11 with the DOF they need is better than a wider single image without it.



Jan 22, 2020 at 06:30 PM
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p.28 #4 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
I wonder if the new M-mount hood will also fit the E-mount since they share the same 62mm filter thread:


Looks like it bayonets on; indeed it would *have* to bayonet on as the rectangular opening has to be aligned correctly to prevent vignetting. I’m assuming that like other E lenses the E 1.4/21 has a screw in hood? I wish they would make bayonet ones (reversible) for E mount - of course that requires bayonet fittings on the lens, so could only be in future ones so it won’t happen. And need to be tight, not like Loxia ones!



Jan 22, 2020 at 09:02 PM
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p.28 #5 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


DavidBM wrote:
Looks like it bayonets on; indeed it would *have* to bayonet on as the rectangular opening has to be aligned correctly to prevent vignetting. I’m assuming that like other E lenses the E 1.4/21 has a screw in hood? I wish they would make bayonet ones (reversible) for E mount - of course that requires bayonet fittings on the lens, so could only be in future ones so it won’t happen. And need to be tight, not like Loxia ones!


The E-mount hood is reversible while the new M-mount is shorter. I think it's unlikely Voigtlander changed the bayonet mechanism for the M-mount version, so the new hood should fit on the E-mount version. (For those who want a more compact solution)



Jan 22, 2020 at 09:21 PM
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p.28 #6 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
I wonder if the new M-mount hood will also fit the E-mount since they share the same 62mm filter thread:


Yeah, it is a good question. Seems that the M-mount version's hood will be included with the lens and not sold separately though so it might be hard to get one. I'll try to check at CP+ on 3/1 if it is not known by then.

Recently I bought the 21/3.5 VM version for my Sigma FP 2nd hand (works great on it) so now I have 21/1.4 in E-mount + 21/3.5 in both E and VM Not planning to buy this new 21/1.4 in VM though, I'm pretty well covered for 21mm already and I like to stick to small lenses with my M-mount set.



Jan 22, 2020 at 10:01 PM
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p.28 #7 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
The E-mount hood is reversible while the new M-mount is shorter. I think it's unlikely Voigtlander changed the bayonet mechanism for the M-mount version, so the new hood should fit on the E-mount version. (For those who want a more compact solution)


So the e mount version of the lens has a bayonet fitting for a hood? (I haven’t used the cv 21) most cv E mount lenses don’t...



Jan 23, 2020 at 04:31 AM
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p.28 #8 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


DavidBM wrote:
So the e mount version of the lens has a bayonet fitting for a hood? (I haven’t used the cv 21) most cv E mount lenses don’t...


Yeah, the 21/1.4 E-mount hood is different from all other CV E-mount lenses and the only reversible one. This manual shows the bayonet mechanism:
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigtlander/english/manual/E%2021_14%20ENG%20V1_0.pdf



Jan 23, 2020 at 04:52 AM
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p.28 #9 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Juha Kannisto wrote:
Yeah, the 21/1.4 E-mount hood is different from all other CV E-mount lenses and the only reversible one. This manual shows the bayonet mechanism:
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigtlander/english/manual/E%2021_14%20ENG%20V1_0.pdf


Awesome! I really wish they would do that with the others. But I guess they only did that because it is wide enough for a petal to be sensible, in which case it has to be aligned correctly, in which case you need a bayonet....

Edit. Of course there is a problem. If you want a reversible hood it has to be wider. But if its wider, and you want to preserve the same amount of shading, it needs to be longer. So there is a tradeoff between reversibility and length.



Jan 23, 2020 at 08:31 PM
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p.28 #10 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Biking today and then a snowmobile ride to a nearby ice ridge on the lake.





























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p.28 #11 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


From yesterday morning on the A77IV:

_DSC6957 by Douglas Liu, on Flickr


_DSC6948 by Douglas Liu, on Flickr



Jan 24, 2020 at 07:59 PM
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p.28 #12 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Amazing pictures


Jan 25, 2020 at 12:00 AM
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p.28 #13 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


bobek13 wrote:
I got Nisi 75 and use it with my 21 color skopar - no issues so far... I am even considering a 12 or 15mm CV (shaving of the hood petals) and still use these filters - filter systems screw size is 67mm so I reckon any lens that has filter 67mm or less should work with no problems...



Confirming the 75mm works great on the nokton as well. I'm amazing at how tiny it is, perfect complement for a small kit imo.



Jan 29, 2020 at 11:49 PM
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p.28 #14 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


I have the VM one coming in about 4 weeks (or so I'm told) to use on my thin sensor A7RII. Will be able to compare it to the 21 Loxia on a stock A7RII and also a modded 21 Loxia suited to thin sensor Sony's. What a time to be alive.


Jan 30, 2020 at 03:54 AM
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benjimouse wrote:
Confirming the 75mm works great on the nokton as well. I'm amazing at how tiny it is, perfect complement for a small kit imo.


thanks for the info, that is great news for me as I`m looking for a nice 15mm CV :-)

Aleksander



Jan 30, 2020 at 07:26 AM
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p.28 #16 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
I wonder if the new M-mount hood will also fit the E-mount since they share the same 62mm filter thread:



Well, I experimented the third party screw-in hood on the CV 21 and the SIgma 24-70. The 62mm hood adds dark corners to the CV 21. the 82mm hood also adds dark corners at 24mm of the Sigma but it's gone after 24mm, I deem it unusable.

The sole reason I want to use this type of screw-in hood is to be able to rotate the CPL by just rotating the hood, without removing the hood to rotate the CPL and putting the hood back on.





CV21







CV21







Sigma 24-70







Sigma 24-70




Jan 30, 2020 at 09:41 AM
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kdrk888 wrote:
Well, I experimented the third party screw-in hood on the CV 21 and the SIgma 24-70. The 62mm hood adds dark corners to the CV 21. the 82mm hood also adds dark corners at 24mm of the Sigma but it's gone after 24mm, I deem it unusable.

The sole reason I want to use this type of screw-in hood is to be able to rotate the CPL by just rotating the hood, without removing the hood to rotate the CPL and putting the hood back on.


Do wide shallow hoods like that really provide significant shading?




Jan 30, 2020 at 10:01 AM
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p.28 #18 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


DaveFP wrote:
Do wide shallow hoods like that really provide significant shading?




I am not sure. Even the OEM hoods for WA lenses look pretty shallow and wide too.



Jan 30, 2020 at 10:07 AM
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p.28 #19 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


kdrk888 wrote:
I am not sure. Even the OEM hoods for WA lenses look pretty shallow and wide too.


True. I sometimes carry a small umbrella for the times I really need shade.




Jan 30, 2020 at 11:28 AM
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p.28 #20 · Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton Review


This lens does so well with flare, I find it really doesn't benefit much from a lens hood.


Jan 30, 2020 at 11:58 AM
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