p.22 #2 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
shadow9d9 wrote:
It does not cost 3000 to 3500. I got mine for 2800 combined, new. Even full retail would be 3050. Not sure where 3500 came from.
I'd love to do more insext macro but it seems like pesticides have killed much of the insects in sourh Florida. So I mostly so birds with some lizards or a rare raccoon.
The $3500 comes from the price of the lens plus both the 1.4X and 2X TCs.
p.22 #4 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
Steve Spencer wrote:
I don't know I kind of expect that before too long we will have a Canon RF to Sony E-mount adapter, but perhaps that won't be possible.
I doubt it would be AF. I'm pretty sure there's only like 2mm flange distance difference between the two mounts so it would be really hard to cram those electronics into a decent adapter, especially one that you would want to use with a 600mm lens...
p.22 #5 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
shadow9d9 wrote:
Why don't you consider it virtually the same? Close enough to me. One might be better, as we will see in reviews, but a 40mm difference and 2/3 of a stop isn't much. And weight/size matters too. If I need to switch, I will. It is just weird to have to trade monetarily in a downwards direction for something better. For similar reasons, I feel bad for Sony users who spent $10k on the 400 2.8 if they really would have preferred the new 600 f4.
No, for wildlife the a7riii is not good enough imo. It is why I bought the A9 afterwards. The autofocus is lacking, the tracking is lacking, and it has blackout. The a9 is completely silent and shutter shake free, great tracking, 20fps and blackout free. I would never shoot with the a7riii for birds. I've done it. I don't like it. It would work for landscapes, but for me at least, I am talking about birds in flight.
With the way Sony has gone about releasing lenses, I honestly don't see a 500 PF competitor in the future. Fingers crossed though.
It is funny, I have spent the past 2 days(I am on the opposite side of the world right now, so the news broke midday for me), what I would do with the 600 f4. I've gone birding with my friend who uses the d850 and one of the Nikon 600 F4s. It is just a monster and is always carried with the additional weight of a tripod. When something comes at an odd angle, there is just no way to adjust. It is cumbersome to say the least, even with a high end and smooth moving tripod. I could just move, crouch, etc, and he couldn't. Also, by the time he put down the tripod and moved it around, some shots were gone. It just goes against my personal style to give up mobility. I mean, I get that it works for some people, my best friend included, but I still have to shake my head(As I am sure people do when they read my posts!)....Show more →
I'm not sure I understand your argument. It sounds like you are essentially saying that Sony shouldn't put out any better lenses than the ones they have now because they might potentially make current lens owners sad... If I am wrong, please correct me, but the gist of this argument is ludicrous.
p.22 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
phototiimo wrote:
I doubt it would be AF. I'm pretty sure there's only like 2mm flange distance difference between the two mounts so it would be really hard to cram those electronics into a decent adapter, especially one that you would want to use with a 600mm lens...
The FE to Nikon Z adapter is razor thin and still allows for AF... it can be done!
p.22 #8 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
phototiimo wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your argument. It sounds like you are essentially saying that Sony shouldn't put out any better lenses than the ones they have now because they might potentially make current lens owners sad... If I am wrong, please correct me, but the gist of this argument is ludicrous.
I'm sorry that you were unable to understand despite me discussing it in depth multiple times. There is not more I can offer to explain. I guess we will just have to accept the gap in understanding.
p.22 #9 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
shadow9d9 wrote:
Am I doing the math wrong oe so you only get 3x the shutter with 2.8 vs 8? I am still getting out of bed.
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Luvwine wrote:
8x.
Each whole stop is half the light and thus 2x longer exposure. 2.8 to 4 is one stop, 4 to 5.6 another, and 5.6 to 8 another.
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shadow9d9 wrote:
Right. I was stupidly doing it linearly. 3 stops, so 3x. That's what I get for doing it half awake! Thanks!
I believe these are all meant to compare the 100-400 with the 400/2.8. At 400mm the 100-400 is f/5.6 and the 400 is f/2.8. That is 2 stops and that enables a shutter speed 4X as fast. If the DOF at f/2.8 is too shallow and you operate instead at f/4 (that is my usual choice), that is one stop and enables 2X faster shutter speed. If you add a 1.4x TC to both lenses, the 100-400 with TC is 560/8 and the 400 is 560/4. Again that is two stops and shutter speed of 4X. There is no situation where there is a three stop difference.
I believe these are all meant to compare the 100-400 with the 400/2.8. At 400mm the 100-400 is f/5.6 and the 400 is f/2.8. That is 2 stops and that enables a shutter speed 4X as fast. If the DOF at f/2.8 is too shallow and you operate instead at f/4 (that is my usual choice), that is one stop and enables 2X faster shutter speed. If you add a 1.4x TC to both lenses, the 100-400 with TC is 560/8 and the 400 is 560/4. Again that is two stops and shutter speed of 4X. There is no situation where there is a three stop difference.
p.22 #11 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
phototiimo wrote:
How's the performance?
I've only seen some sample footage but it seems "Good". Not native-like, but workable. I'm sure as time goes on and more is decoded about the Nikon Z (And canon RF for that matter) mount it will improve. It certainly looks like it works better than I thought it would this early on in the mount's life.
p.22 #12 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
If it's anything like native Rf adapters, I sincerely doubt it will give any utility with any shot of moving target (meaning people walking, not even BIF)
p.22 #15 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
AGeoJO wrote:
As long as the 1.4X TC is compatible, I am fine with the 200-600mm, at least for a while .
Hi Joshua,
Let's wait and see how it performs compared with the 100-400mm GM alone and with the 1.4X TC. If the lens needs to be stopped down to f8 and either does or doesn't equal the performance of the 100-400mm GM with the 1.4X TC less chance of my purchase. And if it doesn't have the capability of acceptng the 1.4X TC then even less chance of my purchase.
p.22 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
My thoughts exactly.
naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Joshua,
Let's wait and see how it performs compared with the 100-400mm GM alone and with the 1.4X TC. If the lens needs to be stopped down to f8 and either does or doesn't equal the performance of the 100-400mm GM with the 1.4X TC less chance of my purchase. And if it doesn't have the capability of acceptng the 1.4X TC then even less chance of my purchase.
p.22 #18 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Joshua,
Let's wait and see how it performs compared with the 100-400mm GM alone and with the 1.4X TC. If the lens needs to be stopped down to f8 and either does or doesn't equal the performance of the 100-400mm GM with the 1.4X TC less chance of my purchase. And if it doesn't have the capability of acceptng the 1.4X TC then even less chance of my purchase.
Rich
Hi Rich,
I agree with that but Sony's lenses have been really superb performers and I really wouldn't think that the lens would perform subpar to the GM 100-400mm lens PLUS the 1.4X TC in both optical characteristics and AF performance. I think that's pretty much a safe bet. Now, the compatibility with at least the 1.4X TC is a less safe bet, however. But, yet I am pretty convinced that the 1.4X TC will work on that lens. We will find out in approximately 24 hours from now...
p.22 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G OSS ($1,998)
The 70-200/4 G was designed before the TCs arrived, and I think that was the case for the 70-300/4.5-5.6 G as well. So among telephoto lenses announced after the TCs arrived, only the 135/1.8 GM doesn’t work with TCs, but that one has a rear element that would collide with the protruding part of a TC. The same appears from the optical layout to be true even for the 70-300/4.5-5.6 G.
From the above there is no way we can tell from existing lenses, if the 200-600/5.6-6.3 will be compatible with TCs.
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