p.1 #1 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
A few days back we visited Breitachklamm near Oberstdorf (German Alps). The walk back and forth through the gorge took about 2 hours and during all that time there was light, slightly wet snowfall.
I used the EOS-R with EF 4.0 16-35 L IS and did not change lenses. With time all got somewhat covered in snow and also got wet.
This is me shooting with the EOS-R (first two pictures courtesy of my wife and her iphone):
Nonetheless, the camera kept working fine all the time and photos were clear and showed no indication of condensation or operational problems due to water inside. After having the camera for an hour or so in the warm car all fog had gone.
Two impressions of this walk through Breitachklamm:
Conclusion for me is that the wheather sealing cannot compete with the EOS 5D III or IV cameras. None of these ever showed water inside. But still, it keeps the EOS-R camera fully operational. Next time in rain, I might cover the hot shoe with gaffer tape to check whether the water creeped in from top.
p.1 #2 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Fogging is not the same as water getting inside from the outside. It's condensation of the water vapors inside the EVF enclosed spaced due to the contact with the cold surface of the glass. If anything it indicates that that space is hermetically sealed so it takes a long time to equalize with the environment unlike for a more open space of the OVF in 5Ds.
An obligatory joke - the iPhone images look as good as those from the camera.
p.1 #3 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Try covering the body with Saran/Plastic wrap. You can still see well and operate the controls without having a bulky cover. Can always poke a hole for viewing if the wrap interfered too much. Works well.
p.1 #4 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
It is concerning you had problems. It appears if you were in a warm snow, high humidity situation.
I used an R for a couple of weeks the first of the year in -10 F to just below freezing, often in snowy conditions without any fogging inside the EVF. A few times I got careless and fogged the outside but that is a much less serious problem and can be rectified with a little care in breathing.
It might be a good idea to contact Canon and even send it in to service. There are a lot of electrons running around on very tiny paths inside that EVF and I bet those electron paths become messy when wet.
By the way, what gloves were you using. I am a cold weather photographer and am using the thinner Black Diamond gloves, for which there is a touch sensor version. They work the camera well but they are not very warm, especially when temps approach -40.
p.1 #7 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Brave man taking out that camera in wet weather. The fogging would also be a concern for me big-time, *any* type of moisture can become an issue, even as it affects electronics at a later date
p.1 #8 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
fogging also implies the hermetically seal volume was not properly evacuated before sealing, which meant moisture intrusions has occurred.
i would contact canon about the fogging issue.
just don't show them the photo water droplets all over the camera.. :') gfiksel wrote:
Fogging is not the same as water getting inside from the outside. It's condensation of the water vapors inside the EVF enclosed spaced due to the contact with the cold surface of the glass. If anything it indicates that that space is hermetically sealed so it takes a long time to equalize with the environment unlike for a more open space of the OVF in 5Ds.
An obligatory joke - the iPhone images look as good as those from the camera.
p.1 #9 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
tntcorp wrote:
fogging also implies the hermetically seal volume was not properly evacuated before sealing, which meant moisture intrusions has occurred.
i would contact canon about the fogging issue.
just don't show them the photo water droplets all over the camera.. :')
You are saying 2 different things.
1)prior or during the hermetic seal process.... humidity was present. usually there is an inert gas - like nitrogen hanging out.
or...
2)moisture leak after the hermetic process.
p.1 #10 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Don’t ask Geoff (member Arbitrage) about what melting snow can do to even a prosumer body like the 5D4. I think you were lucky.
And I too think the iPhone IQ of your wife’s images is extremely good but that is most likely due to the sharpening engine and the fact that I’m watching the photo on a small screen (yes, an iPhone 8 Plus)
Ralph
p.1 #11 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Daniel Smith wrote:
Try covering the body with Saran/Plastic wrap. You can still see well and operate the controls without having a bulky cover. Can always poke a hole for viewing if the wrap interfered too much. Works well.
p.1 #12 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Ziffl3 wrote:
You are saying 2 different things.
1)prior or during the hermetic seal process.... humidity was present. usually there is an inert gas - like nitrogen hanging out.
or...
2)moisture leak after the hermetic process.
just sayin'.
Pity they don't use Hydrogen or Helium. Would make the camera a bit lighter.
p.1 #14 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Thank you for all the responses and tipps. I have used 5D versions in similar conditions (not often but occasionally) over the last 10 years and had no issues even with dripping wet equipment. The water from rain or snow is almost like distilled water and after evaporation it should not leave any damage as there are no salts that start corrosion as would be the case with sea water spray. So I am quite relaxed that the camera will not suffer on the long term.
To me, it simply appears that the wheather sealing of this body is just a bit below the level I had become accustomed to and that I should not use the EOS-R in such wheather. I will keep the 5D IV around for that sort of environment.
Apart form this little issue the EOS R works fine for me so far and I like the flip screen for very low perspective and focus peaking for use with manual focusing lenses.
A remark about helium: It has an extremely high diffusion coefficient and would easily leak from a sealed view finder. Using nitrogen or argon serves the purpose much better.
p.1 #15 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
yes.. you are quite correct. :')
Ziffl3 wrote:
You are saying 2 different things.
1)prior or during the hermetic seal process.... humidity was present. usually there is an inert gas - like nitrogen hanging out.
or...
2)moisture leak after the hermetic process.
p.1 #16 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
The viewfinder is not sealed, the diopter adjustment is pretty standard and its rotation prevents anything close to hermetic. The adjustment moves internal lens in front of the actual evf screen to adjust it for your vision. Its easy to understand fogging in wet humid conditions. I think they could seal that viewfinder better, it will probably happen on the 1 series, but on my R, its a obvious spot for water vapor to get in. partial covering shrink wrap might help for relatively short periods by slowing down the process. I don't think I'd completely cover my camera and lens unless it was a emergency and that was a solution at hand.
p.1 #17 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
This is very interesting. I contacted Canon support about this issue and they said that they did not know anything about it. I asked "if I have CarePAK and this happens, is it covered" and they responded yes. Purchased the CarePAK and hopefully will not have this problem. Thanks for giving us a heads up.
p.1 #18 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
From past experience, I learned that if a camera has moisture on the outside, make sure it's turned off, remove visible moisture, open the camera and let it dry thoroughly at least one day before turning it on again. No matter how well a camera is supposed to be sealed, you take a chance operating a wet camera. I ruined a 1 DX Mk 1 (supposedly well weather-sealed) camera by not following this advice.
p.1 #19 · EOS-R experience in light snowfall: Breitachklamm
Kris Reiswig wrote:
I contacted Canon support about this issue and they said that they did not know anything about it.
If they would have said something about knowing this issue, would've been a miracle or at least very rare case. When I worked for HP, we were not allowed to admit this kind of things.
Scrolling to lower part of the page, find the section named "防塵・防滴構造". The red lines represent sealing materials, the green lines represent high precision parts.
