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p.2 #1 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


I have the 16-35 GM, the Loxia 21, and the 24 GM.

If I was primarily a landscaper or astro shooter I might be using the 16-35 and/or the 12-24 or other wider lens just because 21 is sometimes not enough but I’m primarily a wildlife shooter and do occasional landscapes and astro. With all the other gear I take including 400 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8, teleconverters, and three bodies, size and weight is a major consideration. The 16-35 is a pain to carry and I don’t particularly love the rendering of that lens, although it’s sharp, but sometimes you need that wider field of view. That said, I’m still planning to sell my along with all my square filters I used to use with it. On recent trips I’ve been taking both the Loxia 21 (alongwith some screw-in NDs and CPL) and the 24 GM but I’m trying to figure out whether I can part with the Loxia. Right now the answer is no as I’m in love with the rendering for landscapes and the sharpness for astro. I also love the 24 GM but I typically shoot it wide open for environmental portraits. I recently tried using it for some astro and it was nice but I got CA on some bright stars and there was still some saggital astigmatism. I haven’t tried it using it stopped down for landscapes yet.

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Apr 26, 2019 at 12:58 AM
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p.2 #2 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


I sold my Loxia 21 when I bought the 16-35GM and the only benefit I can see IQ wise with the Loxia are the beautiful sunstars it creates. I have the 24GM which of course is smaller, lighter and f1.4 but it can't match the 16-35 for versatility


Apr 26, 2019 at 01:56 AM
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p.2 #3 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


I had a 10-18 on a crop sensor, and then a 16-35 f4 on my FF camera. After some use with UW zooms, I settled on a Loxia 21 because it was my favorite FL in those zoom ranges - not too wide, not too narrow, just right to capture a scenic landscape without being "empty". Throw in a tiny size, great colors, sharpness, f2.8 for astro, a reasonable used price and I have been very happy with my selection - hard to find a lens that checks all the boxes. There will be a few times when I wish it was wider, but I'd have to be going through some slot canyons or dense forests for those use cases to really come out.

As I get better with my wide compositions and saving money, I might want to try the 16-35 GM down the line. 680g doesn't make sense for a 2.8 zoom, and I think I need AF for candid hiking environmental portraits - there's only so much "character" I can assign to my OOF pictures

Also, I dig your style on IG. Gonna give you a follow. Guess I already was? Maybe through reddit?



Apr 26, 2019 at 09:51 AM
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p.2 #4 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


Thanks for the following on IG. BTW I have recently started collecting some images in albums here to showcase how I’ve been using the Loxia 21 and the 24 GM. Both are certainly great lenses especially for the size and weight and I love both whereas I have never loved the 16-35 GM despite the fact that it covers both focal lengths of the other lenses and more.


Apr 26, 2019 at 11:55 AM
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p.2 #5 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


I can’t answer your question but just wanted to say your IG is awesome! So many amazing shots in there


Apr 26, 2019 at 12:45 PM
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p.2 #6 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


Thanks. Sony equipment helps a lot!


Apr 26, 2019 at 04:55 PM
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p.2 #7 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


I have all three of the lenses in question, and shoot mostly landscape and "trail photography".

I use the 24GM alone when I want to go light (backpacking/camping type situations) or for astro.

I use the 16-35GM when I can afford more weight (day hikes etc).

I use the Loxia 21 as part of a kit with the 24-105/4 for when I can really afford some weight, and most of the photography I anticipate doing is not so much landscapes but interesting things i might encounter, or portraits of the wife.

Sometimes the Loxia pairs up with the 55/1.8 or CV40 but I don't like changing lenses on the trail.

I'm definitely a wide-o-phile so take my advice with that in mind. But I really don't feel redundant having all three.



Apr 26, 2019 at 05:18 PM
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p.2 #8 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


Very interesting. I also have the 24-105/4 but am thinking of potentially selling it as I’m not using it so much nowadays. For me, it’s a bit like the 16-35 in that it is highly versatile but I’m not really in love with the rendering. However it is a great lens. I’ve used it more for wildlife closeups.


Apr 26, 2019 at 05:31 PM
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p.2 #9 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


The rendering on the 24-105 is definitely not as amazing as on some of my other lenses, but somehow its the one that ends up on my camera the most. If you asked me what lens I love, it's definitely the CV40 or 24GM. But somehow time and again the 24-105 is the one that fits the situation. A lot of it is probably because I use it for product photos at work, where razor sharp IQ is not as important.







Apr 26, 2019 at 06:23 PM
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p.2 #10 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


Hi Everyone,

I appreciate all the responses! Funny enough, after a bunch of research, I decided to go with the Batis 18mm f2.8. After trying out a friend's copy, I just fell in love with it. It is super light (less than half the weight of the 16-35GM!), sharper than the 16-35 GM and I usually used 16-20mm anyways.

I actually really like the Batis series. I replaced my 16-35GM with the Batis 18, my 50 f1.4 with the Batis 40 and my 70-200 f4 with the Batis 135. My kit is way lighter and sharper now which is great for landscapes, astro, hiking and backpacking. I lose a bit of flexibility, but honestly with the A7RIII I can crop in quite a bit and still be happy with the results and getting a wider FOV isn't that bad since I can do a small pano if needed.



Apr 26, 2019 at 06:44 PM
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p.2 #11 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


SeanHew wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I am an avid backpacker and enthusiast photographer. I do a lot of hiking and backpacking, so every ounce counts when it comes to photo equipment. However, I am a bit of a pixel peeper and like having superb IQ. I currently use the A7RIII with the 16-35GM for my WA landscape and astro photos. However, with the release of the 24 GM, I thought I would look at alternatives and that lead me to the Loxia 21. Does anyone have experience shooting all three? Has anyone found the benefits of a prime to outweigh the versatility of a
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I prefer zooms. Then you have several useful fl, including 35mm and uwa.

A bit of extra sharpness isn't much good if your composition is off. That said, I liked primes at one point & used 21, 35, & 50. 24mm almost never got used, used 21mm a ton. Even though it is probably a lot less good optically than the 24mm.



Apr 26, 2019 at 08:51 PM
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p.2 #12 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


I've used the Zeiss Distagon 21mm for many years on a Canon EOS 6D then on a A7RIII on an MC-11 adapter. I now have the Sony 16-35 f/2.8.

My thoughts on this:



  1. As the tongue-in-cheek saying goes, the FE 16-35 f/2.8 GM beats the other lenses everywhere except at 21mm and 24mm!

  2. The microtexture and the rendering of the Zeiss cannot be touched. Period. Images from the Zeiss have this richness and pop that cannot be matched by any other lens I've ever had. They look like I've had a polarizer on the lens even though I have not. When I pull the images off the card for PP, I do a double take sometimes, wondering if I had accidentally left the polarizer on the lens and going to check my lens in the bag to confirm that it has indeed been left off.

  3. The Sony, on the other hand, is the sharpest UWA lens I've ever used. In the center 90-95% of the frame (i.e. except for the extreme corners), it sometimes look so crispy that I have literally found myself checking the sharpening and clarity settings to see if they are accidentally being applied instead of at base values.

  4. The Sony has superb resolution of the finest textures yet without quite the same level of microcontrast as the Zeiss. At a pixel-peeping level, looking at fine grained subjects, comparing side-by-side with the Zeiss, I see the same (or even sometimes better) resolution of detail, but the shadows highlighting the detail is "less black" if that makes sense.

  5. The Zeiss has this bubble of focus, so that, given a flat plane target, if you focus on the center you might find the corners/edges a little OOF. With a little experience, knowlege, skill, time, and luck, you find the sweet spot just short of the center point to focus on to "pull the bubble" closer to you to get the focus zone to extend back in the corners. When you get it right, you get even sharpness corner-to-corner.

  6. I have not used the Sony long enough or experimented in the right ways to learn its idiosyncracies to be able to find its "compensation sweet spot" like with the Zeiss. I find the corners lag behind the center even at smaller apertures, though by r/5.6 or f/8 you will have to pixel peep to see the differences. Futhermore, at 16mm I think the unavoidable (in any lens) UWA distortion in the corners plays a bigger role than any difference in sharpness.

  7. I will reiterate here, though, that for ~90-95% of the frame, the Sony 16-35 is a razor.

  8. The tactile qualities of the Zeiss focusing are legendary, and indeed, it does live up to the hype. But honestly, the Sony is not too bad either. And honestly, I've handled lenses with better tactile MF focus feel than either (e.g., the Canon TS-E 24 mm).

  9. The Zeiss has a hard stop at infinity, while the Sony can focus quite a bit beyond infinity. In fact, when using MF assist, when focussing on infinity the EVF says I'm only focussing up to some finite distance (e.g., 70m) or something, not infinity. Is this a bug?

  10. I've not had the Sony long enough or used it in the right enough conditions to judge, but I've found the Zeiss lens really does much better than other lenses I've had in crappy light. On dull overcast days, or when that sun/terrain/clouds are just not cooperating, somehow the Zeiss magic works it pop.

  11. Over the years, I've found that 90% of the time, my Zeiss images need only the most basic effort in PP. Otyherwise, out-of-the-box, they are good to go. Again, not used the Sony long enough to assess it in this respect.




Apr 27, 2019 at 07:34 PM
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p.2 #13 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


'I've found the Zeiss lens really does much better than other lenses I've had in crappy light.'

An astute observation. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Shadow detail and rendition are superb.



Apr 27, 2019 at 08:04 PM
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p.2 #14 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


jeetsukumaran wrote:
I've used the Zeiss Distagon 21mm for many years on a Canon EOS 6D then on a A7RIII on an MC-11 adapter. I now have the Sony 16-35 f/2.8.

My thoughts on this:



  1. As the tongue-in-cheek saying goes, the FE 16-35 f/2.8 GM beats the other lenses everywhere except at 21mm and 24mm!

  2. The microtexture and the rendering of the Zeiss cannot be touched. Period. Images from the Zeiss have this richness and pop that cannot be matched by any other lens I've ever had. They look like I've had a polarizer on the lens even though I have not. When
  3. The Sony, on the other hand, is the sharpest UWA lens I've ever used. In the center 90-95% of the frame (i.e. except for the extreme corners), it sometimes look so crispy that I have literally found myself checking the sharpening and clarity settings to see if they are accidentally being applied instead of at base values.

  4. The Sony has superb resolution of the finest textures yet without quite the same level of microcontrast as the Zeiss. At a pixel-peeping level, looking at fine grained subjects, comparing side-by-side with the Zeiss, I see the same (or even sometimes better) resolution of detail, but the shadows highlighting the detail is "less black" if that makes sense.

  5. The Zeiss has this bubble of focus, so that, given a flat plane target, if you focus on the center you might find the corners/edges a little OOF. With a little experience, knowlege, skill, time, and luck, you find the sweet spot just short of the center point to focus on to "pull the bubble" closer to you to get the focus zone to extend back in the corners. When you get it right, you get even sharpness corner-to-corner.

  6. I have not used the Sony long enough or experimented in the right ways to learn its idiosyncracies to be able to find its "compensation sweet spot" like with the Zeiss. I find the corners lag behind the center even at smaller apertures, though by r/5.6 or f/8 you will have to pixel peep to see the differences. Futhermore, at 16mm I think the unavoidable (in any lens) UWA distortion in the corners plays a bigger role than any difference in sharpness.

  7. I will reiterate here, though, that for ~90-95% of the frame, the Sony 16-35 is a razor.

  8. The tactile qualities of the Zeiss focusing are legendary, and indeed, it does live up to the hype. But honestly, the Sony is not too bad either. And honestly, I've handled lenses with better tactile MF focus feel than either (e.g., the Canon TS-E 24 mm).

  9. The Zeiss has a hard stop at infinity, while the Sony can focus quite a bit beyond infinity. In fact, when using MF assist, when focussing on infinity the EVF says I'm only focussing up to some finite distance (e.g., 70m) or something, not infinity. Is this a bug?

  10. I've not had the Sony long enough or used it in the right enough conditions to judge, but I've found the Zeiss lens really does much better than other lenses I've had in crappy light. On dull overcast days, or when that sun/terrain/clouds are just not cooperating, somehow the Zeiss magic works it pop.

  11. Over the years, I've found that 90% of the time, my Zeiss images need only the most basic effort in PP. Otyherwise, out-of-the-box, they are good to go. Again, not used the Sony long enough to assess it in this respect.

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Interesting post. I've shot the GM for some time; recently acquired the 21 ZE.

It is an amazing lens from what I have seen thus far. I need to learn how to best optimize the FC.

Unfortunately a little too heavy to travel with.

That's where the GM is very handy.

Funny thing is that I enjoy Zeiss MF experience so much more.

Eyeing the Loxia for just that reason.




Apr 27, 2019 at 08:49 PM
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p.2 #15 · 24 GM vs. Loxia 21 vs. 16-35 GM


I have no issues with the native FE mount Loxia 21mm f2.8




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