numbertwo wrote:
I prefer the Canon ones, they just look more natural to me, truer reds and not the muted and artificial green/purple shades in the other profiles. And in tungsten etc, the other profiles are this ugly yellow and the Canon has a warmer natural look, not the cold yellow one...
I have to agree with Steve. The Canon Ported 4 looks horrible. Yellow and Red over saturated. The Porcinni looks the best to my eye and as they are next to each other it's easy to roll back and forth to see the clear difference. I would never ever use that Canon Ported on my wife (Chinese), it would be an utter disaster.
However what all of this means is that as individuals we all discern colours differently and much of it comes down to personal choice. Personally I prefer to work on one shot in Luminar (preferred to LR), save it as a profile and then apply that to the series it came from. It's 3 extra mins labour intensive but it works for me.
I appreciate your time and work in this thread. It's very interesting to see the different profiles side by side.
Not to mention not everyone is on a calibrated monitor right now... Those looking at these comparisons on a TN panel laptop for example will see something pretty different from someone on an IPS calibrated panel.
yeah remember going out to buy a nice wide screen panel a number of years ago, after buying I realised the colour shift issue with TN. Binned it and got an apple cinema display that I'm still using. (which is calibrated)
Chris.P wrote:
Not to mention not everyone is on a calibrated monitor right now... Those looking at these comparisons on a TN panel laptop for example will see something pretty different from someone on an IPS calibrated panel.
I look at them in my iPhone and in my Macbook Pro 15 retina.
It's not like the Canon one is over saturated, I think the others look lifeless. This is how your brain works, if you see a bunch of pictures you'll always think the one in the middle is the good one, then other is too saturated y other too low, but maybe if I showed a couple of even more saturated pictures you would think that canon one is OK.
People praise canon colors and I love them, and they specially have bright and saturated reds. People look alive. Go look for galleries of the Canon eos R and also videos, gorgeous colors, whereas Sony and Adobe defaults... Meh. And if you try to add saturation in Adobe colors, the colors don't look right. I'll post a couple of more examples later.
Depending on the photo, I use Adobe Landscape (and often tame down the saturation and/or vibrance a bit) or Adobe Color with my a9 files. I used to make my own profiles with the Color Checker Passport, but I am satisfied with the Adobe profiles and won't make my own anymore.
Frank Scallo wrote:
I'm always looking for a 'better' color workflow / option for my Sony files (A73) but I'm fairly happy with LR and the Sony neutral profile. I tweak the HSL and calibration.
numbertwo wrote:
I look at them in my iPhone and in my Macbook Pro 15 retina.
It's not like the Canon one is over saturated, I think the others look lifeless. This is how your brain works, if you see a bunch of pictures you'll always think the one in the middle is the good one, then other is too saturated y other too low, but maybe if I showed a couple of even more saturated pictures you would think that canon one is OK.
People praise canon colors and I love them, and they specially have bright and saturated reds. People look alive. Go look for galleries of the Canon eos R and also videos, gorgeous colors, whereas Sony and Adobe defaults... Meh. And if you try to add saturation in Adobe colors, the colors don't look right. I'll post a couple of more examples later....Show more →
Sorry but (and this may just be personal) but there is no doubt the Canon colours ARE saturated (in Yellow and Red) more than any of the other examples shown. Over saturated in my opinion and I'd never use them on a yellow skinned person.
Interestingly if you look for the extensive (number of people voting) blind test that was shown a while back (ca. 60 portrait shots each comparing Canon, Sony & Nikon colours) Sony colours came out top .... and this surprised many since many of the respondents were Canon users who chose Sony in the blind test. There wasn't much in it but it dispelled the myth that Sony has poor colours and Canon's are great, Nikon lagged some way behind. It goes to show the power of suggestion amongst peers, saying Canon colours are best influences people, until it came to the blind test.
There are way, way too many variables for any consensus to be made on slight color shifts -- monitors, viewing environment, software settings, and eyeballs. Best to get what you like dialed in and never expect anyone else to agree
IMO profiling and printing are very rewarding sidelines of photography.
I'm often surprised how much effort people put into a shoot. But finally, they just set a preset/filter and post the picture in the web to get some likes.
Just for the perception... The title of the thread should be:
"LR default camera profiles shows horrible colours with Sony RAW files."
I've ordered colour passport, so will give that a go.
Reminds me of how under certain conditions shots from my 5d/5D2 looked different in Canon DPP software compared to lightroom. Each manufacturer has it's own secrets of how to decode their raw files and they put that into their own/endorsed software.
Or maybe we could introduce some creative angle to it, like “the E-mount is too narrow for colors to be reproduced correctly, some of them are left out at the mount flange and never make it to the sensor”?
newtophoto wrote:
Is Adobe "Color" same as Adobe "Standard"?
Camera Standard, Adobe Standard, and Adobe Color are all different. Adobe Color is a little more contrasty/saturated than Adobe Standard. The Camera profiles are all just terrible for some reason. The refreshed Adobe profiles are pretty solid starting points depending on you preferences.
Colors are so subjective that I feel like you need multiple profiles for different uses. I have a more neutral profile for portraits and a more saturated profile for landscapes.
I use the Adobe Color profile as base and tweak my own profiles on that base.
