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Interesting. I thought 5mm would make a world of difference in wider angles, but no so much in normal angles.

One wouldn't think so. I certainly didn't which is why I've tried it more than once.

The thing for those of us that prefer to be slightly on the wider side of 50 is that 50 is already on the somewhat longer end of what we would like for what we would consider a "normal" lens. So when you consider the fact that you're adding additional length to that, it gets even more constricting/restricting for some of us.

In order for me to really like the 55, it would have to give me a look I couldn't easily get elsewhere. Again, the allure of the 55 (to me) is in its total package (to include size/weight, performance, AF, pretty good optics) assuming you like the focal length. But is there anything truly special about the way it renders images? To me, no.

The factors essentially boil down to two questions (for me):

1. Do I like the focal length? Not so much

2. Does it render in a way that I prefer over other options? Nope

Frankly, I have a closet full of 50mm lenses and the FE 55 just doesn't bring anything to the table that makes it a compelling choice when considering various factors (for my uses and preferences).



Jan 09, 2018 at 03:43 PM
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p.2 #2 · Is the 1.8/55 an all-time great?


It sure beats the Nikon 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, Canon 50/1.8 and 50/1.4 (I've had all but the Canon 50/1.8).

I also preferred the Loxia 50/2 images but ultimately decided to keep (and reacquire now that I am back with Sony) the FE 55 for AF and I actually like the focal length - I can skip 85 and use the 55 cropped a bit for portraits and makes a 35mm less redundant.



Jan 09, 2018 at 04:09 PM
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Sold it twice. Could never fall I love with it for some reason.

I now own the Sony nifty 50 1.8 and tbh this thing holds its own against the zony 55. Plus it's noticeably smaller. Lots of fun to shoot with.


Same here. The FE 50 is the much preferred lens in my experience. I know it has a bad rap. But personally, it has been a beauty on the A9 with regard to general image rendering and usability/handling. AF has been more than sufficient, About the only knock anyone could really have on it is the minimal AF noise and physical shifting of the front element. Otherwise, it is worth every penny. I personally don't feel the 55 rates anywhere near its price tag.



Jan 09, 2018 at 04:13 PM
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'Is the 1.8/55 an all-time great? '

Yes, there's no question about that, however that doesn't mean that it's the best at everything or that it's to every ones tastes. Even if it was a 35mm lens, which would placate the 50/55mm haters, it would be useless to me and many others who prefer 50's. There will always be something wrong with a lens, the Otus is too big and expensive and it's manual focus, for example.

I bought the FE 1.8/55 purely based on other peoples images shot with this lens, it clearly exhibits a rendering that is uncommon, although not unique. I agree the Nokton 1.5/50 has a similar quality, maybe even better but it's still manual focus.

I use a lot of different 50mm lenses, and often carry two of them, but keep coming back to the FE 1.8/55 for certain types of photography where this lens excels (soft background bokeh, wide open sharpness, excellent flare resistance, very fast and accurate AF, small enough not to frighten the natives). This lens is not technically superior to ANY other lens, but it's combination of qualities make it a superb general purpose AF lens. Its negative qualities rarely if ever bother me and I don't think I've ever seen an image ruined by onion rings or it's imperfect LoCA but it depends on the subject of course.

I've read recently that the manual focus feel of the lens has changed dramatically on the A7R3.



Jan 09, 2018 at 04:20 PM
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The 55/1.8 ZA was one of the first and still one of the best. It's my default AF lens. 55mm to 50mm is really not much at all so let's not get too picky here.

Having said that, the 55/1.8 is one of those lenses that benefit at lot from post-processing. I usually enhance contrast (global and micro), colors and correct the most offending aberrations. After all that, the results are similar to what I get when shooting with lenses that are capable of outstanding results without the need of much post-fix.

What I really like it is that after processing images captured from this lens (Usually just a Lightroom preset), OOF rendering remains smooth and resolution is very high across the frame for such compact and light lens.



Jan 09, 2018 at 04:37 PM
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Fred said it better than I could. No sure whether it's an all-time great, as it's not on the same level as the CV 65, 50 1.4 or Batis 135, let alone an Otus or APO Sonnar, but to me the 55 1.8 remains one of the best lenses Sony has made thus far.

Sure, it is a compromise, but I thought it was a well thought through compromise, balancing size and performance neatly. You cannot whine and bitch about Sony making (too) many big e-mount big lenses, and at the same time complain about the 55 1.8's weaknesses. Yes, the LoCA can be annoying, but being f1.8 and leaving such abberations uncorrrected (compared to the CV 65 2 APO or the Sony 50 1.4) has allowed Sony to keep the size down.

I wish they would make more of lenses that follow the 55 1.8 design approach. The GM series is nice and all, but a high-performing, compact series of f1.8 primes is something that would increase appeal of the a7 series further. Just look at the popularity of Nikon's f1.8 primes.



Jan 09, 2018 at 04:57 PM
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For me it has a little nostagia attached. For those of us who started photography in the film era a SLR with a 50/55mm f1.8 (or there-a-bouts) was what you started with for your first serious camera. One of those incredibly wide 35mm or long 135mm were a purchase many years down the road. Everything was shot with a "normal" lens. It still feels a little like going home. Is this particular lens an all time great. I have no idea what that might be, but, I like it and use it. I agree with Fred, its' files are amenable (need) to be worked. Not always a bad thing.


Jan 09, 2018 at 05:14 PM
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p.2 #8 · Is the 1.8/55 an all-time great?


JohnDizzo15 wrote:
Same here. The FE 50 is the much preferred lens in my experience. I know it has a bad rap. But personally, it has been a beauty on the A9 with regard to general image rendering and usability/handling. AF has been more than sufficient, About the only knock anyone could really have on it is the minimal AF noise and physical shifting of the front element. Otherwise, it is worth every penny. I personally don't feel the 55 rates anywhere near its price tag.


Yes. The 50 1.8 performs really well against the FE 55 1.8.....real world shooting, I personally don't see much difference at all

https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/e-mount-lenses/sony-fe-50mm-vs-55mm/

Neither lens is perfect....but if the criteria is an optically imperfect, but really solid compact 50mm lens, for a couple hundred bucks, the FE 50 1.8 makes a strong case.

AF is solid on the a7rIII too. It's noisy and slow...like my 85 GM! but not not nearly as loud as the Canon nifty 50. Eye AF works well, so that's a big win.

As a casual lens, the size seals the deal for me. Makes for a nice no fuss set-up, that delivers optically

_DSC9431 by Carlo Alcala, on Flickr






Jan 09, 2018 at 05:22 PM
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The 55/1.8 ZA was one of the first and still one of the best. It's my default AF lens. 55mm to 50mm is really not much at all so let's not get too picky here.

Having said that, the 55/1.8 is one of those lenses that benefit at lot from post-processing. I usually enhance contrast (global and micro), colors and correct the most offending aberrations. After all that, the results are similar to what I get when shooting with lenses that are capable of outstanding results without the need of much post-fix.

What I really like it is that after
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Hey Fred,
I seem to recall that you were working on a LR profile for the 55.
Assuming I'm not just imagining that, did that ever come about?
Thx



Jan 09, 2018 at 05:40 PM
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p.2 #10 · Is the 1.8/55 an all-time great?


I'm more of a ~35 person, but the 55 found a niche with me, standing by on my second body (a6300) for unobtrusive, unintimidating candids.


Jan 09, 2018 at 05:46 PM
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This is one of the early lenses I owned for this system and it hit all the right notes for me. I really enjoyed this lens.


Jan 09, 2018 at 06:12 PM
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I agree 100% with this. I feel that the Loxia somehow has more pop than the 55/1.8 and I've been much happier with the images I'm getting from it. More color/contrast, no onion rings, less CA. And still plenty sharp wide open.. 50 also gaps better between 35 and 85.



I would love to see some comparisons (same subject, same f stop) between the Loxia 50 and 55 1.8. I love the Loxia 21, love photos with the Loxia 50. I have the 55 1.8 but I have not taken many shots. It is razor sharp and smooth bokeh. I only wanted one AF and I have two AF now so I could live with replacing the 55 with the Loxia 50. I want small, light so that is about the only option. Maybe best to start a new thread sometime.



Jan 09, 2018 at 06:30 PM
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I would love to see some comparisons (same subject, same f stop) between the Loxia 50 and 55 1.8. I love the Loxia 21, love photos with the Loxia 50. I have the 55 1.8 but I have not taken many shots. It is razor sharp and smooth bokeh. I only wanted one AF and I have two AF now so I could live with replacing the 55 with the Loxia 50. I want small, light so that is about the only option. Maybe best to start a new thread sometime.


I posted a couple of comparison sets here awhile ago: Loxia 50 vs 55/1.8 vs Zeiss 50 MP vs Zeiss Otus. Here's a link:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1486539/0?keyword=loxia,55,otus#14006822



Jan 09, 2018 at 07:19 PM
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I had it for a long time and then ended up selling it. It gave me some great photos, but there were also things that I didn't like about it.

Every lens is a compromise in some fashion or another, the 55 just happens to strike a fantastic balance of compromises - more so than most of Sony's other offerings.



Jan 09, 2018 at 07:21 PM
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Imagine Sony approaching Zeiss in the early days of the A7r line, asking them to design a game changing lens for their new line of cameras. It had to be light, deliver the full Zeiss look with a minimum of aberrations, and unprecedented edge to edge resolution to showcase Sony's new sensors. It had to be special. If Zeiss delivered, they would have preferential treatment in a new promising line of cameras.

OK, this is all fiction but really... Zeiss delivered a star.



Jan 09, 2018 at 08:33 PM
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Here's a Google translation of the interview with the designer of the FE 55...

Original Interview... https://www.lesnumeriques.com/objectif/rencontre-avec-naoki-miyagawa-pere-meilleur-50-mm-moment-a1818.html


Meet Naoki Miyagawa, father of the best 50mm of the moment
As young as talented, remember her name!
Posted on 04/04/14 at 12h00

For many of us, the lenses of our beloved cameras are as sacred as they are mystical. For others, they are just tools whose sole purpose is to do what is asked of them. In any case, what do we know about our objectives, apart from what is told in the technical sheet? What do we know about those who, from their drawing board and top secret laboratory, allow us to see the world with ever more precise, ever brighter eyes? We met one of these artists of glass and light.

From Naoki Miyagawa, Corneille could have written that " the value does not wait for the number of years. " At just 30, this young engineer from Sony's Opto Design Deparment - Section 2 is the exclusive originator of the optical design of the Sony Sonnar T * FE 55m f / 1.8 ZA which is, in just a few months, imposed as the best 50 mm of the market, all frames combined. We had the opportunity to meet him yesterday, during a technical presentation in Paris.

Naoki Niyagawa is a graduate of Tsukuba Technological University , 70 km northeast of Tokyo, which houses, among other things, the Tsukuba Space Center , the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency ( JAXA ) division in charge of satellite development, rockets , experimental equipment for the Japanese experimentation module ("Kibo") and training of the Archipelago astronauts. Recruited by Sony right out of school, he has worked on most of the brand's most prestigious lenses, whether they are Carl Zeiss or Sony G, whether they are in A-mount (for SLT) or E (for hybrids). If it is, among others, the author of the zooms SAL DT 16-50 mm f / 2.8 SSM in mount A and recent SEL FE 70-200 mm f / 4 G in mount E, it confides us much prefer to draw fixed focal lengths. When we ask him what is his favorite optics, all frames combined, he does not hesitate a second and immediately quotes the SAL 135 mm f / 2.8 [T4.5] STF .

" In E-mount, the SEL 35mm f / 1.8 (for APS-C sensor housings), Sonnar T * FE 35mm f / 2.8 ZA and Sonnar T * FE 55mm f / 1.8 ZA (intended for enclosures with sensors 24x36 mm) all have a similar optical formula, "he explains. " We had the choice between several optical formulas, including the widespread Planar. " This formula, devised in 1896 by Paul Rudolph for Carl Zeiss, is of double-gauss type where two groups of identical (or almost) identical lenses are symmetrical to each other. at the optical center of the lens. " The Planar is a practical design because of its simple implementation and excellent optical results, making it easy to obtain a large aperture lens, but it has two flaws: because symmetry is essential, all lenses must move simultaneously when focusing, and then tend to keep parasitic rays trapped. "This is the formula Carl Zeiss and Leica used for their 50 f / 2 Planar and Summicron- M 50 f / 2 respective, both in mount M.

" For the reasons mentioned, I preferred to go on a Sonnar design, derived from the Ernostar " also developed originally for Carl Zeiss, but in 1930 and by Ludwig Bertele. It is no longer a double-Gauss but a development of the Cooke triplet that provides even greater brightness, an essential criterion in the early twentieth century when the sensitivity of the films was still very low. Targets with this formula allowed Carl Zeiss to dominate Leica throughout the first half of the twentieth century, until the Second World War and the invasion of factories by the Russian army interfered. They still make the happy owners of Jupiter 8, the original Sonnar and the magnificent Sonnar ZM 50mm f / 1.5.

" The Sonnar allows an internal focus [Editor's note: the lens does not change size during focus, which is both beneficial for construction and endurance] and naturally redirects unwanted rays to the The only problem with the Sonnar is that it does not lend itself to the long optical prints of the SLRs [Editor's note: often greater than 40 mm] , which makes it possible to obtain a better micro-contrast and a better definition. but that's not a big deal, since the E-mount of our interchangeable lens hybrid system has a mechanical draw of 18mm. "This choice, combined with a lot of optimization work, now allows the Sonnar T * FE 55mm f / 1.8 ZA equal to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f / 1.4 we tested - and that frustrated us, confirmed by DxO - while being lighter, more manoeuvrable, less expensive and autofocus, but for the blow only available in mount E and 1/2 less bright diaphragm.

Since Naoki Miyagawa is the exclusive head of Sony's 55mm design, one question comes to mind: why is the lens so branded Carl Zeiss? " Besides the trade agreements, the Carl Zeiss engineers help us a lot with their experience of quality control, we are Japanese, but the Germans are even stricter than us! " A little later, he will tell us that " in Japan, what no matter which brand we work for, almost all optician engineers are fascinated by Carl Zeiss and Leica.In addition to producing technically superb lenses, there is a touch and emotion in the German image rendering that we would like to see. to break the secret. " During the conversation, he will recognize that "yes, it's pretty ironic that German engineers apply the very Japanese concept of Wabi-Sabi while we do not."

"For the moment, in Japan, and especially at Sony, we are mainly focusing on definition and bokeh.With 36 million pixels on the Alpha 7R, we are not entitled to the error. we worked to minimize what we call the "onion rings", these concentric light halos around the circles of light in background blur.Bokeh should not be neglected, especially for a lens like the Sonnar 55 mm f / 1.8 which is mainly intended to be used at full aperture, for example, we have drawn the diaphragm so that it is as round as possible for a very fuzzy and creamy background. more difficult than we think because by adding aspherical surfaces in our lenses, to correct chromatic aberrations and coma, we tend to get fuzzy backgrounds ... a little too sharp! "

It only takes a few minutes to understand that the one his colleagues do not hesitate to call "Master Optician" is a real passion. Apart from the constant pressure he is under from customers, who always ask for more optics, more efficient and less expensive, industrial constraints and ruthless competition, just watch his eyes shine when he discovers the optical formula of a goal he does not know. In the genre, our trusty Leica Summilux-M 50mm f / 1.4 ASPH made great impression. Just a look through the clear glass of the rear concave lens to determine that it is neither a Planar drawing nor a Sonnar drawing (which is actually true ). " For Leica, for us, Japanese engineers, a name is mythical, I do not know if my pronunciation is good, but I think it's Peter Karbe, I totally agree with his philosophy when he explains that 'openness is for depth of field, not for light management .' And what was his surprise when he was told that Mr. Karbe, current director of the department of optics Leica, was the father of the Summilux he held in hand, whose legend says it would have been drawn over ten years time free of the engineer. A story that finally recalls that of the young Naoki, for whom the dream would be to draw " if I had no time or budget constraint, a 85 mm f / 1.4 or even f / 1.2 in mount E. One day , maybe ... "



Jan 09, 2018 at 08:47 PM
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p.2 #17 · Is the 1.8/55 an all-time great?


The FE 55/1.8 is a superb lens. It is modern in design and rendering and quite amazing for the size and weight of this lens. That said I don't like using the FE 55/1.8 when there harsh/contrast lighting particularly when I need to stop the lens down. I feel it loses it personality.

Where I do feel the FE 55 shines is in lower contrast and low light. For portraits wide open, close to medium it is excellent. Night street lens the FE 55 really shines!



Jan 09, 2018 at 09:28 PM
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I'm like many here, the 55 was "the" lens to buy when you bought the a7rii....huge marks from reviewers and objectively tack sharp in a way that takes advantage of a high MP sensor.
I still love this lens for its sharpness. It may not have a "special" rendering but for me, as much as I love to acquire glass, it is about getting the shot. I'd be happier if there were a native AF 35mm this sharp but I'll take it.

That said...although the 55 1.8 is quite a bit sharper than the 24-70 GM, I am more likely to use the latter for the exact same reason ("get the shot"), whereas I will absolutely take out the 85 GM or 21 Loxia against anything else in that FL for reasons that have zero to do with sharpness.

Is it an all-time great in native lenses? I'll put it in my starting line-up in the AF section, not so much in all-rounders.



Jan 09, 2018 at 09:44 PM
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Has anyone here compared the 55/1.8 to the Sigma 50/1.4 Art? I own a lot of 50s (Zeiss ZE 50/1.4 Planar and 50/2 MP, Canon 50/1.8 stm, Pentax Super Takumar 50/1.4, and the 50/1.4 Art) and the 50 Art is my favorite. Just curious if anyone has both and what your opinion is between these two.


Jan 10, 2018 at 12:59 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
... the results are similar to what I get when shooting with lenses that are capable of outstanding results without the need of much post-fix.



Fred I've seen you say this about this lens for several times here. If it's not too much hassle, could you share some examples of this?

Thanks!



Jan 10, 2018 at 02:28 AM
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