I don't think you know exactly what happens here.
My sensors are so dirty, that its shows up at 1/8 - 1/11.
Because my first sensor is damaged by the cleaning process and Canon doesn't know how exactly to clean it, how can the solution be that easy?
I don't want a sensor thats 100% clean, thats inpossible, I know, but I have 2 body's each € 6500,- and we got this problems. to mad to talk about!
Brand new 1Dx Mark II @ F8 after 3600 images unedited.
How about that? Satisfied now? Or are you trying to talk yourself out of there as well.
To me it sounds a lot like blind fanboyism. And btw, i have your post reported because you are blunt and rude. Something that, in my eyes does not belong on FM.
Brand new 1Dx Mark II @ F8 after 3600 images unedited.
How about that? Satisfied now? Or are you trying to talk yourself out of there as well.
To me it sounds a lot like blind fanboyism. And btw, i have your post reported because you are blunt and rude. Something that, in my eyes does not belong on FM.
You clearly don't know what you're doing. That's perfectly normal for a digital camera...
My God, I keep rereading Dehowie's post. It's so hilarious!
Has anyone on here with the oil splatter issue (I'm included) tried using the Dust Delete Data feature with DPP? I personally use LightRoom and haven't tried DPP as I don't need to throw another step or two into post. But just wondering if anyone has tried it with these spots and how well it works.
I copied this directly from the 1DXII manual pg 403 on my pdf copy
Smudges adhering to the front of the sensor
Besides dust entering the camera from outside, in rare cases, lubricant from the camera’s internal parts may adhere to the front of the sensor. If visible spots still remain after the automatic sensor cleaning, having the sensor cleaned by a Canon Service Center is recommended.
I guess we all got those "rare case" cameras....and we should just be happy to send camera off to Canon every few weeks for them to clean it, especially since they don't recommend cleaning the sensor yourself...
Gust wrote:
I don't think you know exactly what happens here.
My sensors are so dirty, that its shows up at 1/8 - 1/11.
Because my first sensor is damaged by the cleaning process and Canon doesn't know how exactly to clean it, how can the solution be that easy?
I don't want a sensor thats 100% clean, thats inpossible, I know, but I have 2 body's each € 6500,- and we got this problems. to mad to talk about!
Yes I shoot mainly landscapes at f10 & oil spots are always visible in the sky and the ones that aren't start popping out once you begin editing & pushing contrast (using the "Detail Extractor" in ColorEfex is an easy way to find them ).
I bought the camera second hand and asked the guy if it had any oil splatter issues to which he replied no. First thing I did when I got it (it only had 4000 actuations) was to take a shot of the sky at f20 and when I opened the file on my computer I nearly off my chair There would have been 200-300 spots at least. I spoke to the guy later and turns out he was a portrait shooter with fast glass and obviously didn't stop down enough to see the carnage
Yep I found out after owning the camera for a year. I typically shoot wide open but went on a photo workshop for the eclipse over the summer and was taking a lot of landscape pictures of the Oregon coast and mountain scenes with a lot of sky. When I got home I worked on one of the photos in Silver Efex when I realized there was an issue. Then as I went through other photos there were many good shots I wanted but it became too time consuming to clean them, so I gave up. After one cleaning by canon they replaced the sensor when I sent it back because it still wasn’t clean. Never an explanation as to why they needed to replace the sensor.
Gust wrote:
Can you show a sensor pict with 1/32. I'm very curious about what your sensor looks like, because Canon has so many problems with cleaning this sensor. Perhaps you have the solution!
Below is an image of the top left quarter of the sensor @ f20. This was wet cleaned about 6 weeks ago. I have boosted the contrast and used Nik detail extractor to highlight the spots. If you are shooting sports, weddings or using fast glass all the time this is likely not to be a major issue. I shoot landscape and macro mostly so most of my images have visible spots that need to be cloned out. As I said above, once you start processing the image (eg. cloudy skies) the spots start appearing everywhere. I wet clean my own sensor so not a big deal for me, but the problem doesn't appear to be improving. Some D600 users stated the problem improved once shutter count got over 20,000 but certainly not my experience.
Skippybud wrote:
After one cleaning by canon they replaced the sensor when I sent it back because it still wasn’t clean. Never an explanation as to why they needed to replace the sensor.
Yes that sounds very odd. Nikon replaced the shutters but I don't believe the sensors were touched.
Has anyone on here with the oil splatter issue (I'm included) tried using the Dust Delete Data feature with DPP? I personally use LightRoom and haven't tried DPP as I don't need to throw another step or two into post. But just wondering if anyone has tried it with these spots and how well it works.
I haven't as I don't use DPP.
I am curious, however, how it would handle such cases given the excessiveness of oil splatter.
LMT1972 wrote:
Below is an image of the top left quarter of the sensor @ f20. This was wet cleaned about 6 weeks ago. I have boosted the contrast and used Nik detail extractor to highlight the spots. If you are shooting sports, weddings or using fast glass all the time this is likely not to be a major issue. I shoot landscape and macro mostly so most of my images have visible spots that need to be cloned out. As I said above, once you start processing the image (eg. cloudy skies) the spots start appearing everywhere. I wet clean my own sensor so not a big deal for me, but the problem doesn't appear to be improving. Some D600 users stated the problem improved once shutter count got over 20,000 but certainly not my experience.
Thought I would add my name and issue to the list of dirty 1dxmkii sensors...
I was one of the first batches of this camera as I pre-ordered from B&H. After just a couple of outings I noticed dirt on sensor right away... ( mostly in upper left hand corner - but some in center as well) I am a CPS member so I sent it in after a couple of months to get cleaned ( I didnt want to be without it). A couple of months later, noticed the same issue. Sent it in advising that I believed it was splattering oil (although I am far from an expert and was just guessing as blowing didnt help ). It took them 3X's to get it properly cleaned! After the second failed attempt by Canon to properly clean the sensor, I sent in a printed photo as well as a disk with photos showing all the dirt spots, along with a letter expressing my displeasure with how poor of a job they did even after 2X cleanings. My guess is that if was just simply dust on sensor it would clean up much easier. It should NOT take 3x's for them to get it right. I should mention that I noticed these spots shooting a long lens 500mm + 1.4TC @ f/5.6-f/7.1 without cranking up contrast and sharpening. I will say that my camera seems to be settling down now. I havent noticed the sensor getting as dirty as quickly in recent months.... but I also havent been shooting against clear skies as of late... I am a reasonable guy...and understand that dust and dirt is gonna happen...but it seems that the theme here is that an UNreasonable amount of debris is finding its way to our 1dxmkii sensors... I will do a check at f/11 next clear blue sky I see.
arbitrage wrote:
I think it is telling that as far as I can tell no one has yet to post a RAW file at f/22 that doesn't show the upper left corner mess.
Geoff,
It is also clearly showing at larger apertures. I have had 10 copies now and all have the same problem. Though some are really bad with lubricant (white dots that dry as black dots with a black ring around it). Self cleaning is not something i am confident to do since i had bad experiences with having my sensor cleaned, although i read that some of you are confident to do so. I still think that this camera should not have to be cleaned every 3k shots and in my eyes this is a D600 like issue. I have asked a D5 user if he had the same trouble and he said no. I should ask in the Nikon forum if that camera performs better in that regard.
I'm afraid the oil splatter issue is not limited to the 1DX II.
My refurbished 5DsR I bought a few months ago had oil splatter on the sensor – it either had it on there when I bought it or developed it during the short time I used it. I couldn't get it clean myself with a wet cleaning, so I paid to have Canon clean it, then sold it.
As if these cameras don't already have enough competition without issues like these to deal with. I've gone back to using an original 5D to use the 100-400 II and will be using the GFX for everything else. When the GF 250 and 1.4x converter comes out, the 100-400 will get even less use.
highdesertmesa wrote:
I'm afraid the oil splatter issue is not limited to the 1DX II.
My refurbished 5DsR I bought a few months ago had oil splatter on the sensor – it either had it on there when I bought it or developed it during the short time I used it. I couldn't get it clean myself with a wet cleaning, so I paid to have Canon clean it, then sold it.
As if these cameras don't already have enough competition without issues like these to deal with. I've gone back to using an original 5D to use the 100-400 II and will be using the GFX for everything else. When the GF 250 and 1.4x converter comes out, the 100-400 will get even less use. ...Show more →
You're the second person in this thread that's had an oily-spotted 5DsR sensor. Interesting. It's very possible some shutters are just over oiled, and you unfortunately got one of the bad units. It's a real shame that something like an overly oily shutter mechanism isn't a problem manufacturers are not watching out for, especially since the D600 fiasco.
I've had the opposite experience with my 5DsR. I'm not trying to diminish your own experience with the camera, but people I've spoken to with 5DsRs have said it's been a relatively dust and oil free camera for them as well. My 5D3 has been extremely low maintenance too - in fact, I've never cleaned the sensor and I've had it since 2013! I'm sorry to hear your experience wasn't a good one with the camera.
It is also clearly showing at larger apertures. I have had 10 copies now and all have the same problem. Though some are really bad with lubricant (white dots that dry as black dots with a black ring around it). Self cleaning is not something i am confident to do since i had bad experiences with having my sensor cleaned, although i read that some of you are confident to do so. I still think that this camera should not have to be cleaned every 3k shots and in my eyes this is a D600 like issue. I have asked a D5 user if he had the same trouble and he said no. I should ask in the Nikon forum if that camera performs better in that regard.
I've thought about starting a thread in the Nikon sub-forum too. It would be interesting to find out more Nikon D5 owners' experiences. From the few people I know with D5s, they've all said the same thing - that their cameras don't have the problems we're experiencing. They were shocked when I showed them some examples.
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