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Archive 2017 · Sony FE 100-400/4.5-5.6 GM vs Contax 100-300/4.5-5.6

  
 
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Tirpitz666 wrote:
Can confirm they are totally legit, they've repaired my almost completely separated 100-300 in a very good way, looks like new to me. I had the impression that they are highly professional in what they do.
It's a $250 affair at the end considering shipping back and forth, but totally worth IMHO, considering for how much good exemplaries now fetch on the used market.


I’m essentially looking at a CLA, not the haze repair. Lin said I need to ship him the lens for a quote, so I’m going to look for domestic options first.



Apr 20, 2019 at 05:44 PM
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A7R II + Contax 100-300mm F/4.5-5.6 Vario-Sonnar T* by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Apr 22, 2019 at 02:45 PM
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Wintergreen - Blue Ridge Mountains by Dave, on Flickr


Wintergreen - Blue Ridge Mountains by Dave, on Flickr



Apr 23, 2019 at 03:59 PM
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p.20 #4 · Sony FE 100-400/4.5-5.6 GM vs Contax 100-300/4.5-5.6


^^^
Nice !!


Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr


Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Apr 24, 2019 at 01:12 PM
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p.20 #5 · Sony FE 100-400/4.5-5.6 GM vs Contax 100-300/4.5-5.6


How does the CZ 80-200 compare against the CZ 100-300? The fact that the 80-200 is 1/3 the price, 200g lighter, and smaller is very enticing to me.


Apr 24, 2019 at 02:24 PM
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akashyap wrote:
How does the CZ 80-200 compare against the CZ 100-300? The fact that the 80-200 is 1/3 the price, 200g lighter, and smaller is very enticing to me.


I haven't had my 80-200/4 that long, so take this with a grain of salt -

My copy isn't bitingly sharp at infinity - definitely the weak spot in the focus range, it's much better at short and mid distances. I thought that it was just a problem with my infinity hard stop, but I've since adjusted it and it's better, but still not super sharp. It's also not at its best at 200mm - even backing out to 180mm improves things noticeably. It occasionally gives me that combination of sharpness and contrast that makes Zeiss so attractive to me, but it's more hit-and-miss than my C/Y 28/2.8 and 35-70/3.4; those two are more consistent in delivering that magicality. CA can also be pretty bad wide open, which is sometimes disappointing as wide open is f/4.

In summary, I'd say that it's a good lens that's occasionally great. It's worth the price of admission, though I'd probably replace it if I could acquire a clean 100-300 at a reasonable price.

edited to add: fwiw, it looks like I only have a handful of 80-200 shots uploaded, but here they are - [edit - nope, that link isn't working. Just go to this pic and click on the 80-200 tag in the lower right corner, that should take you to another page with a link to the 10 or so pics that I have tagged with that - https://flic.kr/p/2cXmmoY]



Apr 24, 2019 at 03:43 PM
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WhyFi wrote:
I haven't had my 80-200/4 that long, so take this with a grain of salt -

My copy isn't bitingly sharp at infinity - definitely the weak spot in the focus range, it's much better at short and mid distances. I thought that it was just a problem with my infinity hard stop, but I've since adjusted it and it's better, but still not super sharp. It's also not at its best at 200mm - even backing out to 180mm improves things noticeably. It occasionally gives me that combination of sharpness and contrast that makes Zeiss so attractive to me,
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I agree with all of this, and would only add that distortion (barrel) at 80 is pretty bad in my opinion, while the MFD is fantastic. It's actually a great lens for head shots with it's combination of close focus, good contrast/saturation and so-so sharpness. Just not good enough at infinity, though. I bought mine for landscape so I'm going to sell it and get a Canon F4 in the same focal range.

Edit: Dustin Gent has gotten some really good landscape photos out of this lens. I think I remember him saying he may have had an exceptional copy, and I believe he's moved onto another lens as well, but his opinion would be a good one to seek out.



Apr 24, 2019 at 08:12 PM
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I still have the Zeiss 80-200 lens. Been thinking of going the 100-300 route, but am on the fence between the 100-300 and Sony 100-400G for AF purposes. I used the 100-400GM last year, and it is hard to decipher between the 80-200 and 100-400, in terms of micro contrast and straight IQ.

Some may find it hard to believe, since I bought my copy for $240 here and the GM goes for almost 10 times that.
With buying lenses, I am VERY deliberate in my purchases; and do a "bit" of research. My Zeiss 34-70 was replaced by the Leica 34-70 4ROM, but it is worth the price to admission, so to speak.

I have not found a lens in the 70-200mm FL range to replace the said lens, in regards to price to performance ratio. With this said, I may buy BOTH the 100-300 AND the 100-400GM and test them all. BTW, I hate testing lenses, as I NEVER shoot brick walls, and focus bracket most everything







Apr 25, 2019 at 12:08 AM
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p.20 #9 · Sony FE 100-400/4.5-5.6 GM vs Contax 100-300/4.5-5.6


CZ 80-200 is good but not as good as 100-300
I think the 100-300 actually beat 80-200 on all points
I had 80-200 for a while but I don't regret a second
that I changed .. but this is my personal opinion
I was happy with 80-200 also
I think 100-300 is a more usable focal length
for landscape .. big problem is to find a good ex of 100-300
and then it will cost more .. but I think it's worth it

Someone who can provide more technical info regarding weaknesses and strength etc
is Samuli , very knowledgeable person on contax and zeiss and all technical details

Bye the way 100-400 GM is a very nice lens also
but it is very expensive .. but you get AF performance and it can be worth a lot


Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Apr 25, 2019 at 11:25 AM
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WhyFi wrote:
I haven't had my 80-200/4 that long, so take this with a grain of salt -

My copy isn't bitingly sharp at infinity - definitely the weak spot in the focus range, it's much better at short and mid distances. I thought that it was just a problem with my infinity hard stop, but I've since adjusted it and it's better, but still not super sharp. It's also not at its best at 200mm - even backing out to 180mm improves things noticeably. It occasionally gives me that combination of sharpness and contrast that makes Zeiss so attractive to me,
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I bought a CZ 35-70 and 80-200 around the same time last year, and I love the 35-70. The 80-200 was pretty solid, but I didn't use it much because I wasn't as comfortable or impressed with tele landscape pictures as I am now. Since then though, I knocked over my 80-200 (stuck at f8 or f11?) and am looking at tele replacements.

Assuming I don't knock it over and mountain landscapes remain one of my favorite types of pictures, the extra ~$500-600 isn't a bad idea for the 100-300, it's just the handling. Seems long. Thanks for sharing your examples for the 80-200, seems like you liked it for it's close to mid distances over infinity.

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I agree with all of this, and would only add that distortion (barrel) at 80 is pretty bad in my opinion, while the MFD is fantastic. It's actually a great lens for head shots with it's combination of close focus, good contrast/saturation and so-so sharpness. Just not good enough at infinity, though. I bought mine for landscape so I'm going to sell it and get a Canon F4 in the same focal range.

Edit: Dustin Gent has gotten some really good landscape photos out of this lens. I think I remember him saying he may have had an exceptional copy,
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More issues with infinity huh? I have heard the Canon 70-200 f4 is a great lens, and has a nice price. Any reason you aren't jumping for the 100-300? Do you know how the contrast compares?

Also Dustin Gent's pictures are one of the main reasons I'd consider an 80-200 again! When I broke my 80-200, I asked him which serial number he has on his copy.

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I still have the Zeiss 80-200 lens. Been thinking of going the 100-300 route, but am on the fence between the 100-300 and Sony 100-400G for AF purposes. I used the 100-400GM last year, and it is hard to decipher between the 80-200 and 100-400, in terms of micro contrast and straight IQ.

Some may find it hard to believe, since I bought my copy for $240 here and the GM goes for almost 10 times that.
With buying lenses, I am VERY deliberate in my purchases; and do a "bit" of research. My Zeiss 34-70 was replaced by
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Hm maybe it's the focus bracketing at tele distances that does the trick! Nice. The price and size of the 80-200 is just so sweet.

I also have a 35-70 and I was interested in your tests against the Leica. Sunstars looked great, but I'm still extremely happy with my CZ.

We all need (especially this thread) more tests of the 100-300 vs 100-400!

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Ronny Olsson wrote:
CZ 80-200 is good but not as good as 100-300
I think the 100-300 actually beat 80-200 on all points
I had 80-200 for a while but I don't regret a second
that I changed .. but this is my personal opinion
I was happy with 80-200 also
I think 100-300 is a more usable focal length
for landscape .. big problem is to find a good ex of 100-300
and then it will cost more .. but I think it's worth it

Someone who can provide more technical info regarding weaknesses and strength etc
is Samuli , very knowledgeable person on contax and zeiss
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Hey Ronny! I love your images! Beautiful colors and landscapes! One question I wanted to ask was regarding the handling of the 100-300. Are you hiking with this lens, or mostly driving to locations? My major use case is hiking, and it's very tough to see me clipping that lens and my camera to my Peak Design Capture Clip. Do you have a different harness system for it?

The 100-400 is definitely on my wishlist (same goes with the RX1Rii. Luckily I've already got my Loxia 21), but it's gonna take a while getting to. Trying to become a first time home owner, and I know my lens buying factory is going to be shutting down for a bit.


Some really good responses in this thread, thanks! The 100-300 is very alluring, but seems like the responsible choice seems like the CZ 80-200 or Canon 70-200.



Apr 25, 2019 at 01:21 PM
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More issues with infinity huh? I have heard the Canon 70-200 f4 is a great lens, and has a nice price. Any reason you aren't jumping for the 100-300? Do you know how the contrast compares?

Also Dustin Gent's pictures are one of the main reasons I'd consider an 80-200 again! When I broke my 80-200, I asked him which serial number he has on his copy.


Ha, Dustin's pics are one of the reasons I bought it, too!

To be clear, the 70-200 isn't terrible at infinity, especially if you back off the long end, it's just that on a 42MP sensor, it was not as good as I wanted it to be.

The idea of the 100-300 strongly appeals to me (I love Zeiss glass), but I decided against it for a couple reasons. The biggest is that I don't want to go through the test and sell and test and sell thing until I find a copy without issues. A lot of users attest to this. IIRC, Fred bought one advertised as good, but when he received it the lens had balsam separation. Bought another copy advertised as issue free, turned out to have issues. I wouldn't want to deal with that in any case, but I'm going on a month-long road trip in less than two months and need to be sure I have a good lens in time. Also, if you're off a tripod (I'm going to do a lot of shooting handheld), to use IBIS effectively you have to change the focal length manually and with the 80-200 I found that took me out of the shooting experience. Leaving IBIS in the middle, at say, 135, is better than nothing but much less effective.

What I really wanted was a good FE 70-300 but that's another copy variance story, and frankly I don't want to pony up the cash for a lens that should have better image quality than it does. So I went with the Canon, the IS II version, which about the same price as the Sony 70-200 or 300 but has much better image quality and extremely low variance.

Unfortunately I can't speak to a contrast/rendering comparison. L lenses are typically very good in that department, but Zeiss is better, so my guess is that the 100-300 will hold a noticeable advantage in rendering. Aside from sharpness I think that's one of the reasons people put so much effort into finding a good copy.

I'd say if you really want the lens and you're OK with the drawbacks of shooting a manual zoom and you have the dough, seek the 100-300 out. You can always have it repaired for a few hundred extra. The heart wants what the heart wants.



Apr 25, 2019 at 02:05 PM
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Another lens to consider is the Nikkor E series 75-150. Yes it is a shorter range, but I was SUPER impressed with the one I had. They go for like $75 average for a good copy.

I am heading to the West Desert here in Utah to photograph some lesser known areas, and will shoot with my 80-200 w/o focus bracketing and will post the results here.

To be honest, I cannot say with certainty how many times I have almost bought a CYZ 100-300; II know no less than 10 times .



Apr 26, 2019 at 10:43 AM
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Not to screw things up....but I've owned a couple copies of the CY 100-300, FD 80-200 and CY 80-200.


The CY 100-300 is definitely the best of the bunch, in both technical IQ and rendering.

I prefer the FD 80-200/4 over the CY 80-200/F4. I don't know that the FD is much sharper, but there's very little CA, so images have a much crisper feel. The CY has the better MFD but I don't like it as much at 200mm. The FD is quite sharp even on my A7r2, though I don't know the absolute extreme corners ever fully sharpen. I usually always prefer the CY colors and contrast, but I preferred the FD in this case. I think they would be close if you actually tested them for technical IQ. So both are good options, just different trade-offs.



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Apr 26, 2019 at 11:38 AM
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^^^
Very nice set


Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr


Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Apr 26, 2019 at 11:58 AM
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Ronny Olsson wrote:
^^^
Very nice set

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46789952315_1bcdbe08a2_o.jpg
Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47698599131_bb75243cee_o.jpg
Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr


Thanks Ronny




Apr 26, 2019 at 12:19 PM
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Sarpedon wrote:
The idea of the 100-300 strongly appeals to me (I love Zeiss glass), but I decided against it for a couple reasons. The biggest is that I don't want to go through the test and sell and test and sell thing until I find a copy without issues. A lot of users attest to this. IIRC, Fred bought one advertised as good, but when he received it the lens had balsam separation. Bought another copy advertised as issue free, turned out to have issues.


Just to provide a counter-point anecdote, after reading about all the horror stories of hazy 100-300 CZs I still really wanted one, and I figured I better buy two to at least have a chance of a clean copy.

After closely inspecting images for two lenses from Japan on ebay and contacting those two sellers to re-assure me that the optics were clear of haze, I placed orders for both. Figured I'd have to return at least one or get refunded by ebay, but besides some dust -- I guess unavoidable with a push-pull zoom -- there's no haze on either. So two 100-300s from Japan and no haze, unlike a 28-85 I bought from the US :/.



Apr 26, 2019 at 04:15 PM
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lora_to wrote:
Just to provide a counter-point anecdote, after reading about all the horror stories of hazy 100-300 CZs I still really wanted one, and I figured I better buy two to at least have a chance of a clean copy.

After closely inspecting images for two lenses from Japan on ebay and contacting those two sellers to re-assure me that the optics were clear of haze, I placed orders for both. Figured I'd have to return at least one or get refunded by ebay, but besides some dust -- I guess unavoidable with a push-pull zoom -- there's no haze on either.
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Nice to hear there's some good stories out there; I suppose bad news travels faster and further on the Internet.



Apr 26, 2019 at 07:19 PM
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Ronny Olsson wrote:
^^^
Very nice set

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46789952315_1bcdbe08a2_o.jpg
Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47698599131_bb75243cee_o.jpg
Sony Alpha A9 + 100-400/4,5-5,6 OSS GM by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

I have followed you on Flickr for quite a while and have seen some spectacular photos. But those of your dog are the best. I am curious about the dog, can you fill us in?



Apr 27, 2019 at 01:19 PM
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przero wrote:
I have followed you on Flickr for quite a while and have seen some spectacular photos. But those of your dog are the best. I am curious about the dog, can you fill us in?



Thank you .. really appreciated !
His name is Nitro, a German Shepherd born 2007
12 years and he has been with me since I started photographing and bought my first camera in 2010
I have posted pictures of him all the time from when I joined here on FM ( Some may be tired of seeing the pictures )
He is my best friend and best photo mate
Unfortunately, age has started to show more and more
he became deaf a few weeks ago and he is getting stiff in the body
But he is struggling, he's feeling pretty good after all and food and his ball is the best things he knows

Ronny //



Apr 27, 2019 at 01:37 PM
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Friends like Nitro can't be beat. Keep the shots coming!!!


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