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This is a question for people who've actually gone on an African wildlife safari.

I'm planning my first trip to Africa for wildlife photography. I've had extensive experience doing wildlife photography in North America and a few other places in the western hemisphere and Pacific. My destination will probably be Botswana, and maybe parts of Namibia next February or March and I'm talking to tour operators now.

As far as I can tell these trips are almost all done from a car or boat. No one seems to run hiking photography trips because of the dangers - you're safer in a vehicle.

But when I've shot wildlife I've always been on foot. (even in Alaska where there was steaming-fresh grizzly scat and the Everglades with alligators) I can study my subject to know where and at what time of day I'm likely to find it. I can choose to stay out late or get up early or tolerate heat or cold or mosquitoes. I can stand in one place till my legs get numb for some animal or bird to get used to me and get a wee bit closer. I can stalk an animal; move around til I'm downwind of it; get away from the other photographers to get a unique angle, framing, or lighting, etc. Apparently you can't do this in Africa if you don't want to get eaten.

Even in Antarctica where the Zodiac would drop us off on a small stretch of beach, we would spread out, each looking for a unique or interesting angle or shot, and that way we'd all learn from each other that night reviewing our photography because it would all be different.

So in other words, in other wildlife photography, It's MY photography, reflecting my choices, decisions, ideas, creativity and mistakes. If I get a great shot then I get the credit; if I fail then the blame is mine, too.

But in Africa if everybody is in the same vehicle, and the driver is deciding where to take you and how long to stay, and how far and what angle, etc, how much of the result is really yours? How is it different from sitting in a movie theatre and having them flash pictures of animals up on a screen and your only creative act is knowing when to press the shutter button, and maybe how frame it with your zoom? I'm about to spend $20K+ on this trip and I want to feel like it will be satisfying as a photographer, and not just give me pretty pictures.

Thanks in advance for your personal insights.



Apr 03, 2017 at 01:42 PM
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Although you are shooting from a car you can have a great deal of control IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE VEHICLE AND GUIDE. Given your comments it would be worth paying extra for that.


Apr 03, 2017 at 02:39 PM
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Bobg657 wrote:
Although you are shooting from a car you can have a great deal of control IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE VEHICLE AND GUIDE. Given your comments it would be worth paying extra for that.


Are there people who run trips like that ...where I can buy a whole package, including lodging and point-to-point transport, but just for one person? Like a one-man safari? I've never seen that advertised - all the safari packages I've seen are for groups. And even then, it's still not safe to leave the vehicle, right, and the vehicle has to stay on the road, right? So is it really that much better?

One problem with going solo is that you lose the experience of socialising with other photographers, talking shop, comparing notes, and comparing results.

The gist of my question is how satisfying is it AS A PHOTOGRAPHER to have so little control over your creative result? I can see that it might be fun as a tourist to be in Africa and see animals and landscapes you've never seen before, but is it satisfying as a photographer?




Apr 03, 2017 at 03:33 PM
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There certainly are. My wife and I used andBeyond. Their lodges and staff were fantastic. The drivers were all photographers too so they helped set you up with what you are looking for as far as vehicle position in relation to the animals/sun/background.


Apr 03, 2017 at 03:59 PM
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FotoBuf78 wrote:
There certainly are. My wife and I used andBeyond. Their lodges and staff were fantastic. The drivers were all photographers too so they helped set you up with what you are looking for as far as vehicle position in relation to the animals/sun/background.


Thank you! I'll check them out!

Did you miss being with other photogs on your trip?




Apr 03, 2017 at 04:02 PM
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I've been on two safari's (and going back next year), one in Botswana, Zambia and Zimbabwe and at no time would I have felt safe getting out of the vehicle. One evening we were stopped photographing a few lions when one walked by no more than a couple of feet from where I was sitting, I could have reached out and petted it. The vehicles are open sided and look similar to this: (https://www.wild4photographicsafaris.com/images/uploads/photo_safaris/631/accbob-08__popup.jpg
When you are on safari, the drivers and guides are very experienced and know what photographers want. They will work real hard to get you the shot after all it is all about the animals and they also like tips :-). Of course it would be nice to walk around an animal to get the best composition and lighting but you wouldn't know what's behind you looking for an easy kill.
If you have any other question, please let me know

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Apr 03, 2017 at 05:09 PM
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plnelson wrote:
Thank you! I'll check them out!

Did you miss being with other photogs on your trip?



No worries.

It was actually nice being on our own. The driver was a shooter so there was good convo on the topic.



Apr 03, 2017 at 05:13 PM
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At meals you often have time to chat with others, some may also be photogs.


Apr 03, 2017 at 05:16 PM
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I've been on two safari's (and going back next year), one in Botswana, Zambia and Zimbabwe and at no time would I have felt safe getting out of the vehicle. One evening we were stopped photographing a few lions when one walked by no more than a couple of feet from where I was sitting, I could have reached out and petted it. The vehicles are open sided and look similar to this: (https://www.wild4photographicsafaris.com/images/uploads/photo_safaris/631/accbob-08__popup.jpg
When you are on safari, the drivers and guides are very experienced and know what photographers want. They will work real hard to get you the shot
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Thank you for your response, but I'm not sure you understand my question. I don't doubt that you got great shots, thanks to skill and knowledge of your driver. But as the PHOTOGRAPHER do you get the same sense of satisfaction from a great shot that was the result of having a skilled and knowledgeable and driver? When you look at that shot a year later, how much of the credit goes to the photographer, and how much to driver?

I'm not a hunter myself, but I have relatives who are and they are very disdainful of these hunting lodges in the American west who guarantee you'll bag a bighorn sheep because all the hard work is done for you by their guides, so it says very little about your skill as a hunter. Your job is to pull the trigger. I'm trying to find a way to strike a balance in Africa between not getting eaten by a lion, but at the same time not just having photographic opportunities handed to me on a silver platter, where all I have to do is press the shutter release. I want to to feel that I had to contribute some real work and effort to the final result so I can say it was MY photograph.




Apr 03, 2017 at 07:39 PM
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Just make sure you get something original. You know, like a lion crouched over a kill (baited is best) with a wee bit of blood on his muzzle (not too much though, no need to be gross.)


Apr 03, 2017 at 07:58 PM
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If you don't feel satisfaction with someone helping set up shots, perhaps Africa isn't for you. It would be more than impractical for you to scout for animals, it takes years of training for the guides plus they often communicate finds by radio.

If you have a private car and guide, you can ask them to position as you want, they'll comply as long as they're able.



Apr 03, 2017 at 08:05 PM
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I get the impression the standard vehicle safari is not what you are looking for, maybe something like these: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/africaandindianocean/zambia/11980557/Africas-10-best-walking-safaris.html
Personally, when I go to Africa I want to see a wide verity of birds and animals in their natural environment doing what they need to do to survive. On one trip we saw a pride of lions with ~a dozen cube running around, excellent photo ops and no one got the photo. Or the time we got charged by an elephant and another when a rhino charged again, capturing the animals expressions is a challenge and can be very rewarding. These a just a few examples, I could go on for pages.
But maybe an African safari is not for you. It is a very expensive trip and if you have any doubts about what you will experience you might be better off doing something else with your money.

Mr.G



Apr 03, 2017 at 08:15 PM
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Hi,

I have been visiting Africa since doing a 3 week roundabout of Kenya in 1982. Most recently a cross country trip (another 3 weeks) of South Africa (self drive), and Mala Mala in Sabi Sand next to Kruger National Park. In August I will back in southwestern Kenya for 12 days. I'll try to make some points here. Wildife in east and south Africa is non-existant in 90 % of the land area. If you don't wan't to visit farms and cities and the like you will be on private/public reserves and parks where the wildlife has been concentrated and, importantly, kept wild. As Mr. Gale pointed out, there are a number of places which offer walking trips of 1 to several days. Even on those you will not be allowed to be alone, ever, and you will be in an escorted group. You generally don't see it on the news but people (tourists) are killed on "safari" every year, sometimes even when following the rules. I think that, can you afford it, you should investigate a higher end reserve or licensed lodge operator with the plan of spending 5 or more days at a single location (you won't believe how big the areas are, and how poor the road and air nets are) to focus on a single geographic wildlife grouping. For instance, in Kruger there are a number of licensed operators offering walking safaris, horseback safaris, and even a bicycle safari. My experiences in Mala Mala, Mashatu, Londolozi in small group trips (Game Ranger/Driver, Tracker, and three photographers in the vehicle) have been great fun, and resulted in wonderfully happy personal photography.

The key is to use either an operator who will make your connections and provide a driver and vehicle (man, is that going to be expensive!) or a small group. The folks I use are typical in focusing on groups of 10-12 people, using 3 vehicles (sometimes 4), trying to use the smaller lodges that can be entirely reserved for the one group, and staying in single locations so you get the most time possible with the wildlife.

You need to be aware, also, that most (nearly all of the publically accessible parks and reserves totally forbid off-road travel and ban any out-of-vehicle actions except at limited sites which have armed wardens or fences. Tembe, for instance, limits the number of private vehicles allowed in each day and requires ALL wildlife observation to take place from one of the established blinds within the reserve. They don't allow parking/photography on the trails and, given the size and attitude of their elephants, its a good thing.

Personally, I think that if you select the right operator and trip, and go with an open mind, you will be excited at the opportunities for photography. Yes, the two or three other people in the vehicle with you will be taking similar images, but they won't be the same as yours. I can assure you that the third or fourth time you park, move, relocate, park, etc. as you watch a leopard take down an antelope and then defend it and feed her cub will be just as exciting as the first time, and the differing locations and conditions will give you pictures that have meaning for you (also, you can only do something like this in a few places, so be warned).

PM me with more questions and I will try to answer in depth.

Gene



Apr 03, 2017 at 10:06 PM
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Bobg657 wrote:
If you don't feel satisfaction with someone helping set up shots, perhaps Africa isn't for you. It would be more than impractical for you to scout for animals, it takes years of training for the guides plus they often communicate finds by radio.

If you have a private car and guide, you can ask them to position as you want, they'll comply as long as they're able.



I don't mind them "helping me" - but from what some people people are saying it sounds like they're doing 90% of the work and I'm just sitting in a Land Rover or boat and aiming my camera and pressing the shutter release.

THAT's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread - if I get a great photo on one of these trips, how much of the credit goes to me and how much goes to them?

And you're right - if my only contribution to that photo is to sit in my seat and aim my camera and press the shutter release, then maybe Africa isn't for me, because that's not my idea of being a photographer.

That's what I want to hear from other photographers here - how do you assess your contribution to the final result in this kind of photography?






Apr 03, 2017 at 10:23 PM
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Thank you! This is all very useful and helpful information!

I've been in touch with a reputable company that runs both group "safari" and solo custom trips and they've given me some pricing guidelines on the latter that I'm comfortable with if I choose to go that route. So now I just have to decide which one would be more personally/creatively satisfying.

By way of backstory, I was in Antarctica last month and realised that the one continent I hadn't visited was Africa. Nature/wildlife photography is my hobby, but I started off in life doing newspaper photography. If I don't feel that I can do satisfying, original wildlife work in Africa then my plan "b" is to spend some time in Djibouti or Egypt or Ethiopia and pick a geopolitical or social or economic topic and do a photojournalist essay on it. That has its own risks of course, but I might have better creative control of it.

I have a rare blood cancer - a myeloproliferative neoplasm - so I'm not so worried about being eaten by lion or upsetting some government by snooping around with a camera - we all have to die sometime - I just don't want to spend my last days taking easy, formulaic tourist photos instead of stretching for edgier or more original work.

Your comments give me hope and optimism that I can find the right wildlife trip to meet my needs. Thanks again.




Genes Home wrote:
Hi,

I have been visiting Africa since doing a 3 week roundabout of Kenya in 1982. Most recently a cross country trip (another 3 weeks) of South Africa (self drive), and Mala Mala in Sabi Sand next to Kruger National Park. In August I will back in southwestern Kenya for 12 days. I'll try to make some points here. Wildife in east and south Africa is non-existant in 90 % of the land area. If you don't wan't to visit farms and cities and the like you will be on private/public reserves and parks where the wildlife has been concentrated
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I was in Kenya last year with a small group of photographers in the Mara. Yes, our driver would take us somewhere, and we were not allowed out of the vehicle (this year I'm going to South Luangwa and do hope to stretch the legs a little by doing a few morning walking safari's).

But it still surprised me how hard work it was to get the right shots, and how different the shots taken in our group where. Apart from that, it's one heck of a great time out there and you will be amazed by the wildlife you'll see. Besides from this, African predators are quite formidable so trust me; you don't want to go unguided out there yourself



Apr 04, 2017 at 02:25 AM
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evertdoorn wrote:
But it still surprised me how hard work it was to get the right shots, and how different the shots taken in our group where.


Could you please elaborate on this a bit? Because it goes to the heart of my question.

What was hard on your part about getting the right photo? I.e., since you're all sitting in the same vehicle, what form did this extra effort take? What accounted for the differences between the different shots taken by your group? (other than obvious things like one person having a 600mm f/4 and the other one having a 55-200mm f/5.6 kit lens)

When I come back from such a trip I want to feel like any good shots I got reflected some real effort and skill on my part, and not just that I can splash lots of money around to pay for the trip and the 600mm f/4.

(PS - for those following this thread, I'm currently discussing a solo guided trip with an outfitter that runs those. They're quoting me $1800-$2000 a day. That doesn't sound unreasonable, but if anyone has any experience with those, is that about ballpark?)






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i guess it depends on your specific wishes, location, lodging, etc. I would find it quite expensive but hey, I'm Dutch

What I meant with what I said is this: shooting wildlife requires patience as well. Some photogs don't have this enough, and do miss shots because when the action happens, they are not ready. Getting a good moment in wildlife photography is just as key as in many other forms of photography.

Furthermore, difference in choice of composition (are you going for a close portrait of an animal or the wider landscape image?), lighting (I like to expose for more contrast for example), playing with longer shutter speeds/movement, etc. will result in different images.



Apr 10, 2017 at 02:13 PM
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evertdoorn wrote:
i guess it depends on your specific wishes, location, lodging, etc. I would find it quite expensive but hey, I'm Dutch

What I meant with what I said is this: shooting wildlife requires patience as well. Some photogs don't have this enough, and do miss shots because when the action happens, they are not ready.


I agree it's expensive, but I expect a solo trip to be expensive, so what I meant was is it par for the course; is it in the ballpark of what a trip like that would normally cost?

I'm glad you brought up patience, because that's one of the things I'm worried about when we're all in the same vehicle in Africa. I'm a birdwatcher and when I'm on my own I've been known to stand in one spot for hours because I heard a bird in the woods and wanted to wait for it to appear. (many small birds are very wary and will flit about in high branches checking you out, or waiting to see if you're just part of the scenery.) So I'm capable of extreme acts of patience but I've been assuming I won't get to use it in Africa because after an hour or so the driver and everyone else will want to get moving. Am I wrong?






Apr 10, 2017 at 03:02 PM
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Well, it depends on the trip you're on I guess. If you book a trip which is aimed at photographers (or in your case, specifically, birders), they would have a similar attitude like you.

the trip I was on last year in Kenya were all photographers too, guided by a very well known wildlife photographer. Opposed to 'normal' safari's, we had more space (a whole row in a vehicle per photographer), better drivers who followed the suggestions and leads of our guiding photographer and ourselves of where to exactly position their vehicle, and plenty of time. We have spent on occasion several hours at sights (since this was a big cat trip, we've watched sleeping lions and leopards for hours and hours ). The 'normal' vehicles with visitors would stay a lot shorter at each sighting. I really liked this and at no point it felt rushed.

If you have a private guide, of course that's the best situation - then your guide can 100% cater towards your needs and you have every bit of freedom of what you'd like to see and do.

We're going to Zambia and Bots this year and in Zambia, we have a whole week with a private photographic guide so this will be the ultimate form of freedom. In Bots we're going on a tour with a small group, again all photographers and guided by very good wildlife photographers. I quite like the mix of this trip, because I also enjoy the social aspect (chatting about our day over a beer around the campfire).

btw, the rates you mention do sound reasonable if you get the top quality guides, camps, etc. I guess it depends on your budget; I couldn't afford it so have to resort to more affordable options. One place to look for specific photographic Africa trips, also with private guide, is http://www.wild-eye.co.za/




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