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p.1 #1 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


I want to pick up a new pair of lightweight binoculars to carry around for birding, wildlife, etc. I'm thinking of the new Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1277043-REG/leica_40384_8x42_noctivid_binocular.html

Anyone tried these? Worth it? I tested out a pair of Leica about 10 years ago and I really licked the color. That's why I am leaning in this direction.



Feb 14, 2017 at 10:10 PM
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p.1 #2 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


netexpress wrote:
I want to pick up a new pair of lightweight binoculars to carry around for birding, wildlife, etc. I'm thinking of the new Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1277043-REG/leica_40384_8x42_noctivid_binocular.html

Anyone tried these? Worth it? I tested out a pair of Leica about 10 years ago and I really licked the color. That's why I am leaning in this direction.


Whether you lick it or not, those are not exactly lightweight.

EBH



Feb 14, 2017 at 10:58 PM
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p.1 #3 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Not even remotely light weight.

I'm a birder and was a field biologist for a long time. I use Leica 8x42BA (Trinovids) which weigh-in about 40 grams heavier than those Noctivids. They're REALLY heavy binoculars. They are so heavy that unless I use a bin-bra, they're intolerable on hikes where I'm also carrying photo gear. All of the sibling species of binos to the Noctivids will be over 800 grams including the Swarovskis. The glass they're using in the prisms is really, really dense and therefore, heavy. I handled a pair of Trinovids without glass in them and they were featherweight -- the weight was nearly all glass.

Optically, those Noctivids are among the top as are the Swarovskis and the Ziess offerings. It's getting to where you literally cannot tell if one of these top tier binocular is optically better than the other -- they're all absolutely phenomenal. The Leicas have incredible light gathering capability. I find them over-the-top, even 15 years after I bought them. I'd be linking my choice to ergonomics (close focus capability, handling, and end-to-end focus travel), service, availability, and relative price.

If weight is your issue, you'll likely need to be looking at lower tier binoculars but be aware that even lower cost contenders today perform nearly equally with the top binoculars of 20 years ago. Nearly all binoculars have improved significantly. It's an optical "golden age."

As for the licking, I cannot say



Feb 15, 2017 at 12:29 AM
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p.1 #4 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Thanks for the replies!

What do you guys think is best for lightweight binoculars for birding, wildlife, etc while hiking?



Feb 15, 2017 at 07:31 AM
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p.1 #5 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Step down to 8 X 32 as you probably don't need the extra light transmission the 42's provide for your situation.


Feb 15, 2017 at 09:06 AM
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p.1 #6 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Many good choices here: http://www.optics4birding.com/top10binoculars.aspx


Feb 15, 2017 at 10:33 AM
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p.1 #7 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Or get on and google the birding forums and look for similar posts.

Eagle Optics is a good place to call and ask questions. Yours is not unique and I think they'll be able to cut to the chase with regard to helping you out.

Vortex is an up and comer. There are some other brands with which I'm not familiar out of Asia (Korea, etc.) that are optically of very high quality.

Also, if you can get to a few places that have a large selection, you can start to get a feel for price/weight/performance.

It's true that objective lens diameter is all about light gathering (which is a huge part of contrast and brightness) and if you don't need low light (or deep shadow) performance, a pair with a smaller objective diameter will be lighter and more affordable.

Just like in photographic equipment: there's no free lunch! Want the best and brightest? Pay heavily and realize they'll be heavy to carry as well!



Feb 15, 2017 at 10:21 PM
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p.1 #8 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


DGC1 wrote:
Step down to 8 X 32 as you probably don't need the extra light transmission the 42's provide for your situation.


+1 on 8x32.

EBH



Feb 16, 2017 at 03:08 AM
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p.1 #9 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Message delivered! Thank you guys! This is just the kind of advice I needed.


Feb 16, 2017 at 10:59 AM
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p.1 #10 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


I've had Vortex Vipers, 8x42's for over 5 years....very pleased with them....didn't realize how good they were until one time before dawn, I was surprised how much light they let in in the semi dark....


Feb 16, 2017 at 06:54 PM
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p.1 #11 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


If a single bin must serve, x32 is a great compromise. I have two, however: Zeiss 20x8 Compact, and Zeiss Victory 7x42 FL. Through use of composites (aka plastic), the latter weighs just 720g, and has amazing low-light gather. The Compact, meanwhile, is perfect for activities such as daytime birding, baseball, and opera. Just like cameras, you can have more than one sports optic.


Feb 16, 2017 at 10:58 PM
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p.1 #12 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


I think that if you pony up for those, you should consider it tax to also buy some Leica Trinovid 10x25 binoculars. I have had mine for over 25 years and they are excellent. The larger ones are of course very good, but they are very heavy by comparison. If you birdwatch and travel, you will appreciate the small size of the Tinovid. If you look at birds while you do photography then the smaller binos fit in a shirt pocket or any small space in your bag.


Feb 17, 2017 at 07:29 AM
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p.1 #13 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Rule number 1, if you are going to spend 4-500, don't look through ones that are $1000.


Jan 03, 2020 at 07:06 PM
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p.1 #14 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


8X32 or 8x30 is a good compromise. Nikon Monarch 7 8x30's are very good. $305 at LLBean on sale right now. Get the 8x42 if you are birding all day. 8X30 if you are using along with a camera.


Jan 09, 2020 at 06:26 PM
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p.1 #15 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Firstly check out Birdforum.net. It's a UK based forum but with a global participation and is the largest bird forum on the net. Lots of information re. bins.

Secondly as a birder I strongly recommend 10x42. I've had 8x32 but the magnification is simply not there for smaller birds (though in North America you have a lot of much larger birds that you can get closer to than over here in China or in the UK for example). You have to be a little more precise in picking out their location but the extra magnification is worth it.

Thirdly you could look at buying used binos. I picked up a used pair of Leica Ultravids HD years ago, fantastic bins and I'm still using them today. They cost me about the same as a new pair of 'inferior' brand bins. Weight is 755g.



Jan 10, 2020 at 01:28 AM
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p.1 #16 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


Frogfish wrote:
Firstly check out Birdforum.net. It's a UK based forum but with a global participation and is the largest bird forum on the net. Lots of information re. bins.

Secondly as a birder I strongly recommend 10x42. I've had 8x32 but the magnification is simply not there for smaller birds (though in North America you have a lot of much larger birds that you can get closer to than over here in China or in the UK for example). You have to be a little more precise in picking out their location but the extra magnification is worth it.

Thirdly you could look
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+1 on BirdForum.net site
- tons of used binos for sale too, and very friendly folks willing to share info and answer your questions.

+1 on the 10x42 sizing: a tad heavy and bulk, but they are the best compromise imo

+1 on Ultravids - I have the BR 10x25 and they are incredible light and bright - a compromise of sorts, but fits inside a jacket's pocket and one barely notices they are there. The shortcoming of magnification is superseded by the clarity they deliver



Jan 10, 2020 at 02:04 PM
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p.1 #17 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


I have a pair of Zeiss Conquest 8x42 that are really great for low light, and when I want to travel light or have a tripod and big lens I use a small pair of Swarovski CL 8x25 I can put on a small light weight harness across my chest to free up my hands for camera gear.

regards
Dave



Jan 15, 2020 at 07:12 PM
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p.1 #18 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


I am a field biologist as well...I spent several months at a time using binoculars 10 hrs a day x 7 days a week. Now as part of my job, I see and try all sorts of binoculars...

I would say that:

(a) buy used as several have suggested - BirdForum is a great resource with many US sellers. Like anything else, as soon as you drive something new out of the showroom, it loses 10-30% of its value immediately. And binoculars either work or they don't - it is pretty easy to tell how the innards are when looking at the outside of the bins. And buy in winter not spring, summer or fall - demand is least in winter and folks are often looking to offload then as well.

(b) unless you are going to use binoculars a lot, you are better off with mid-range ones. So, no need for Swarovski, Leica, Zeiss...look at Meopta, Nikon, - look around on the web there are many articles touting less-well-known brands...and use the money saved for a trip.

(c) if you do use binoculars a lot, get the ones that have the best repair policy. Currently Swarovski and Zeiss will repair most problems (out of alignment from a drop) for free...Swarovski will often repair binoculars one buys used - they have a really good, inclusive policy toward their binoculars and scopes. Leica, in my experience is the worst of the top three...they try and charge for everything and Leica is not cheap! Their turnaround time was lousy - too many people having hunting equipment (rifle scopes) repaired it seemed to me slowing down the process (that is my speculation why it took so long with Leica - that was in the early 2000s though). Anyway, I'd stay with Swarovski or Zeiss and buy used...OR look for sales: Adorama and other stores often have closeout specials - for less than $100.

(d) the difference between the three major companies mentioned above in optics is minimal. Some have a warmer tint that people prefer; others are cooler...You have to look through them to see what you prefer; that being said, after about 5 minutes one forgets about that...and the difference between high level bins for $1500-$2k a pair (new) and low level ($300 or less) is that the high end ones are sharp to the edge...but who looks at anything toward the edge - one just moves the bins a bit to center the subject...

(e) the high end binoculars have soft parts (eye cups eg) that are durable, and easily replaceable (Swarovski mails me replacement eye cups for free [with free shipping] - and they do that for many people; don't buy at a photo store such replacements for $25/pair...the focus wheel is another problem point - the lower tier companies may say they will repair such problems for free - but it takes several weeks...meaning you need an alternate pair in the meantime. On the other hand, the top tier companies (Swarovski/Zeiss) have quick turnaround times (though spotting scopes are a different matter - those have to be sent back to Europe)...and one usually has bins back in 7 days. So my recommendation is if you use binoculars a lot, or in rough conditions, go toward high end bins...

(e) OK which size to choose: if I was a photographer with camera equipment I was carrying, I would look at the 8x25 size, or possibly 8x30. IF I was a person walking around a lot looking for birds, hiking...I'd get 8x32 (possibly 8x30). IF I was in a fixed spot like a car or observation platform, I'd get 8x42 or perhaps 10x42. The disadvantage to 10x42 is that they have a more narrow field of view than 8x42 so finding a small, flitting bird 15-20 feet away (and following it through the bins) takes practice...it can be done but it is easier with the 8x42. Finally if I needed binoculars in low light situation (early morning or at dusk; at night etc) I'd get 8x42 or even 8x50 etc. I have used 15x60 in the past; 12x50...good luck holding those steady! I don't miss those bins at all even though they were well-made. and optically superb.

I could go on and on...Ultimately, binoculars are like sunglasses - how much you like them depends upon how they feel against your face...so if you are going to invest, make sure to try different brands out. If you wear glasses, how do the bins work in coordination with those?

I recommend to everyone who asks: 8x32; either Swarovski or Zeiss; buy used...and have a cheap (look up Sightron) pair in the car at all times. Some of the best birders I know don't use the best binoculars: it is like a car: you don't need a ferrari to take you someplace...you just need the drive, desire and interest to find what it is you are looking for and study it. The goal is not to have the best equipment to show off to other folks (although that is nice), but to have the best time.

I've already written too much and have to get going - somewhere. And for anyone over 45, remember, it is your eyes that are the limiting factor - and not the binoculars...that is the normal aging process...a humbling experience.

Robert DeCandido PhD
NYC



Jan 23, 2020 at 11:10 AM
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p.1 #19 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


I defined good enough quite a few years ago with the old Leica 8x32 BN Trinovid, Nikon 8x32 Superior E Porro Prism, and the waterproof IF Fujinon 8x30 FMTR-SX Porro.
For general travel I use a tiny Leica 8x20 BCA Trinovid.
All of them are excellent but not comparable with the modern Juggernauts. But still a joy to use.



Jan 27, 2020 at 09:20 AM
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p.1 #20 · Leica 8x42 Noctivid Binocular


I owned the 8x42 BN Trinovid, and before that the 10x40 Trinovid (1984): in 1994 or so when they were first released the BN Trinovids were the best on the market...and built like a tank - you could hammer nails with them.

However, Swarovski was not quite in the business then, and if you compare any of the modern (post 2000) designs (Swaro, Zeiss and even the current Leica Ultravids) to 1994 binoculars, their age shows...Since I still have a pair of the 8x32 Leica BN Trinovids (1994 design), I can look through those and then through Swarovski (current model) 8x32s. Even my aging eyes can see a difference - the newer design (of any binocular made post 2000) of the high-end manufacturers (Sw, Ze, Le) is optically better than the "old" (pre-computer designed?) bins.



Jan 27, 2020 at 09:32 AM
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