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p.2 #1 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


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The RX1RII price was raised everywhere. In the US, it's currently selling for $3,900!


Holy crap! I know it's a good camera but....



Oct 28, 2016 at 11:08 AM
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p.2 #2 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


Fred Miranda wrote:
The RX1RII price was raised everywhere. In the US, it's currently selling for $3,900!

Yes but not long ago that would have been £2,600 (not the £3,300 now being quoted). The price hikes have only exacerbated the situation for Brits - photography has just become 20% more expensive for them (well I am British too but since I live in China I have actually benefited greatly from the decline of the £). The £'s rate history now reads like a DxO MTF chart !



Oct 28, 2016 at 11:34 AM
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p.2 #3 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


The £ tanking has been a factor indeed, but not all of it. The pound dropped after the Brexit vote but then recovered somewhat - the Sony price hikes happened then - some weeks prior to the recent further more significant drops in the £
When I discussed this in a local camera store at the time they said Sony and others were all hiking prices globally. It is also keeping used prices pretty buoyant if one is selling (which I am not !!) - I always seem to pick the worst market cycles !



Oct 29, 2016 at 07:26 AM
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p.2 #4 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


I had the RX1 for a few months when it first came out. I really liked the IQ, but the AF just gave me fits. I suppose there are strategies you can learn to obtain better AF, but it failed me too often in medium lighting and I just couldn't continue to use it. So, the RX1RII with much improved AF (and by AF, I mean being able to acquire focus in the first place . . . not tracking) and that is reason enough for me to think it's worth a big price increase. I was thinking of grabbing one and I hesitated and then the price suddenly jumped. I won't get one now. I also was able to get the TechArt AF M to E for my Voigtlander 35/1.2 II and that's my alternative to the RX1RII. Not what I ultimately wanted, but what I found affordable.


Oct 29, 2016 at 09:34 AM
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p.2 #5 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


Still need help deciding. Will the price of the new one used likely go down in price soon?


Nov 02, 2016 at 10:32 PM
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I never see Sonys go down in price until thy are (or nearly) discontinued. If anything, they just raise the price on the replacement, and keep the price the same on the prior model until it is nearly sold out. Examples would be the entire RX lineup, the a77/II, a99/II, a65 and a68. Sony just doesn't do sales or discounts. The only thing I can think of was for refurbs on the a7 well after the a7II was released.


Nov 02, 2016 at 10:37 PM
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p.2 #7 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


Well the rx1 mark 1 hovers around $1000 used. how long did it take for the mark 1 to reach that price given its original 2k plus price?


Nov 02, 2016 at 10:44 PM
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p.2 #8 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


I've had my RX1R since it was released. I've never seriously considered upgrading. The AF is good enough for what I shoot with it, 24MP is all I need or want, and I've been very happy with the accessory EVF.

I've upgraded other cameras (e.g., just upgraded my Canon 5D3 to a 5D4), but I'm quite happy to just keep shooting my RX1R.

Recently posted some shots from trips to California in this thread (which contains lots of images taken with both the RX1/R and RX1R II):

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum//forum/topic/1168684/272



Nov 03, 2016 at 12:35 AM
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p.2 #9 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


I think the price of the Sony Rx1rii is ridiculously high.
That's why I take it everywhere - to get my money's worth.



Nov 03, 2016 at 04:08 PM
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p.2 #10 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


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Nov 06, 2016 at 11:14 AM
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The question isn't if the price will go down, it will. That is a given. The RX1 when it first came out was something like $2600 I think ? I bought the camera new and paid the then current price. I also rebought the camera a year or so later for more around $1800 or so, which to some degree is another topic all together.

Lets say the price is now $1000 (though probably can score them a bit cheaper than that)

If I had kept my original new purchase I would have seen $1600 in depreciation. My used one would have seen $800 in depreciation since it was used to start with.

If I bought one today, or maybe a few months ago, and resold it in a few months, I'd likely get around what I paid for it, maybe $100 less

So, fiscally a new one could "cost" me $1600 for a few years use, a previously purchased used one $800 for a years use, or a current used one maybe only $100 for 6 months to a year use (speculative of course).

So there is the time value of money, but what that isn't factoring is the actual photographic value.

Basically no one buys a camera just to let it sit on a shelf and depreciate (and few if any modern camera's are going to increase in values so certainly not 'investments', so we need to consider the "value" of ownership in regards to images captures, shooting enjoyment etc.

Does it make more fiscal sense to wait another year or two before getting a used RX1 mkII ? You bet, its going to cost you a few grand most likely to own the camera for that time and its inevitable the value will decline with time.

What are two years of images worth to you though ? How do we put a price tag on that ?

Does a camera with faster AF, or that your more inclined to carry, thus giving you more captured memories of your children at a given age equate to being 'worth' $1000 or so a year ? To each his own.

I've certainly paid the early adapter "tax" on quite a few cameras over the years, because I had an immediate want/need for them.

I was going on a 2 week cruise and felt the RX1 would be the ideal tool for the trip, so I bought it new, paid a high price, and eventually sold used taking a fiscal hit on depreciation of $1600 or so.

It was worth it though, because I enjoyed traveling with it, got great images, and feel content that it worked better for my travel needs that prior cameras I was using.

Long story short, you will lose money on a RX1 mkII, and your RX1 is still a good camera. The RX1 mkII is largely a "better" camera, and a more capable one, so you likely can capture more images, maybe enjoy shooting it more, but what is that worth to YOU ?

NO ONE else can tell you that, Doesn't matter how many opinions you get, or how much you bump your thread. Its ultimately YOUR money, and YOUR choice.



Nov 06, 2016 at 01:13 PM
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p.2 #12 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


millsart wrote:
The question isn't if the price will go down, it will. That is a given. The RX1 when it first came out was something like $2600 I think ? I bought the camera new and paid the then current price. I also rebought the camera a year or so later for more around $1800 or so, which to some degree is another topic all together.

Lets say the price is now $1000 (though probably can score them a bit cheaper than that)

If I had kept my original new purchase I would have seen $1600 in depreciation. My used one would have
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I agree with what millsart wrote and it's true for all digital cameras. Usually, cameras with built-in lenses depreciate much faster than lenses. However, putting the used market aside for a moment, there is something significant that happened with the RX1RII model. It originally sold for $3,300 and now costs $3,900.



Nov 06, 2016 at 01:42 PM
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Slightly off topic but figured the group here would be the best bet. How does the RX1 Sonnar compare to the C/Y Distagon 35/1.4? Anyone shoot both? I know size is entirely different, just curious about IQ. Thanks in advance.


Nov 07, 2016 at 09:36 PM
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I've shot the RX1* many times and the CY a few years ago and feel the RX1* is the better of the two. Similar to the Contax G 90 I shot years ago, the RX has "magic" to it. Hard to explain and maybe not something you see at first but going back and reviewing images taken, it's apparent. I keep moving to a A7* from the RX and keep going back for my travel setup. This is my 3rd time and thinking about going back again :/


Mathieu18 wrote:
Slightly off topic but figured the group here would be the best bet. How does the RX1 Sonnar compare to the C/Y Distagon 35/1.4? Anyone shoot both? I know size is entirely different, just curious about IQ. Thanks in advance.





Nov 08, 2016 at 12:04 AM
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p.2 #15 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


Thanks, I was afraid you might say that!

rioni wrote:
I've shot the RX1* many times and the CY a few years ago and feel the RX1* is the better of the two. Similar to the Contax G 90 I shot years ago, the RX has "magic" to it. Hard to explain and maybe not something you see at first but going back and reviewing images taken, it's apparent. I keep moving to a A7* from the RX and keep going back for my travel setup. This is my 3rd time and thinking about going back again :/







Nov 08, 2016 at 08:54 AM
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p.2 #16 · SONY RX1R II vs SONY RX1


I must say the huge uncompressed RAWs from rx1r2 are sick.

I'm used to the horrible A7 RAWs. These are unbelievable.


DSC00362 by unoh7, on Flickr

The inability to zone focus is crazy, but the r2 does remember it's MF on wake from sleep at times.

Alright, the bokeh really can be outstanding....

DSC00073 by unoh7, on Flickr

In terms of pure image quality at the 35 FL it must be the best in the world right now.

But you must hold it VERY steady

Can't leave home without 3 batteries

NO, I did not buy one, but I have one to use for a month or so I hope.



Nov 10, 2016 at 11:29 AM
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