TMaG82 wrote:
One also has to wonder if the newer, bigger battery will infact lead to improved shot capacity or just that the new processors are that much more power hungry and will have similar shots per battery.
Like with laptops, phones, etc., the power use of camera processors continues to go down even as processing power goes up. I'm sure we'll see a better CIPA rating.
The more I read about this camera, the more excited I get. But at the same time, the more i think we'll be waiting longer for the release than we want. No mention at all of a targeted release date other than word of mouth saying it will be available for pre-order this year. How much longer after that for the actual release? Same problem with the accessories, all of which have TBD for both price and release. The new lenses? Pre-order now, but no mention of how long a wait. (Yes, I pre-ordered the 25/1.2)
Even the specs in many places on Olympus' various sites and releases are contradictory. For the low ISO range I have seen in writing base 100 and 200, Low setting will be 100 and 64. The high-rez mode looks great, but despite everyone saying it will not work hand held, the written materials about it make no mention of the limitation one way or the other, nor that hand held is their goal in developing it further.
Personally I wish they had waited longer before going public with this development release, but then their marketing department wouldn't had anything to do for quite a while yet.
The only thing I do not like about the new design is the articulated screen. I dislike the fact that there is no way to tilt the screen up or down without first rotating it out to the side.
Yes, obviously they were rushing to make the announcement at Photokina ... and I have absolutely no problems with that, as long as most of the specs and feature set is out there for people to see. I would be very disappointed if they held back the announcement indefinitely.
One thing I have noticed is the bad placement of the strap lug, one of which is sitting right next to a dial and button. I am sure this is going to annoy me, as the strap may get in the way when you try to use the buttons/dials on the camera.
ELinder wrote:
The more I read about this camera, the more excited I get. But at the same time, the more i think we'll be waiting longer for the release than we want. No mention at all of a targeted release date other than word of mouth saying it will be available for pre-order this year. How much longer after that for the actual release? Same problem with the accessories, all of which have TBD for both price and release. The new lenses? Pre-order now, but no mention of how long a wait. (Yes, I pre-ordered the 25/1.2)
Even the specs in many places on Olympus' various sites and releases are contradictory. For the low ISO range I have seen in writing base 100 and 200, Low setting will be 100 and 64. The high-rez mode looks great, but despite everyone saying it will not work hand held, the written materials about it make no mention of the limitation one way or the other, nor that hand held is their goal in developing it further.
Personally I wish they had waited longer before going public with this development release, but then their marketing department wouldn't had anything to do for quite a while yet.
The only thing I do lot like about the new design is the articulated screen. I dislike the fact that there is no way to tilt the screen up or down without first rotating it out to the side.
That is a bizarre placement, but it's hard to hell how it affects ergonomics until you use it. There's nothing that you'd operate with your index finger that would require going over the lug, so I expect it won't be an issue, but it looks a little odd. The ergonomics overall look excellent to me, though.
Jman13 wrote:
That is a bizarre placement, but it's hard to hell how it affects ergonomics until you use it. There's nothing that you'd operate with your index finger that would require going over the lug, so I expect it won't be an issue, bu tit looks a little odd. The ergonomics overall look excellent to me, though.
Or perhaps has to do with the fact that Olympus somehow always choose a really annoying position for the right strap lug. This was one of my biggest complaints about the E-M5 and it stuck around for the E-M5mkII. I don't mind the new placement, as I never use this strap lug and it doesn't seem like the new one will be in the way, but it does look funny up there.
Jman13 wrote:
That is a bizarre placement, but it's hard to hell how it affects ergonomics until you use it. There's nothing that you'd operate with your index finger that would require going over the lug, so I expect it won't be an issue, but it looks a little odd. The ergonomics overall look excellent to me, though.
I was watching one of the videos this morning and it seemed like the standard camera strap kept on getting twisted around, which isn't uncommon but because of the new placement seems like it might get in the way.
I'm already experience a split grip technique with the X-T2. The strap lug is causing me to put the strap between my index and middle finger to shoot.
The 25 1.2 looks like a really nice lens, some of the sample shots with it so far look very nice. I know that the equivalent is a 50mm f/2.4 but hopefully the AF will be quick and accurate with it. I know the Fuji 35 f/2 is a rather fast lens but if we're talking equivalents it's a f/3. The 1.4 is a slower lens.
A kit with say the 12-40, the 40-150, and say the 25 1.2 should be a well rounded kit. Or if you want to streamline it even more, the 12-100 and the 25 1.2.
TMaG82 wrote:
The 25 1.2 looks like a really nice lens, some of the sample shots with it so far look very nice. I know that the equivalent is a 50mm f/2.4 but hopefully the AF will be quick and accurate with it. I know the Fuji 35 f/2 is a rather fast lens but if we're talking equivalents it's a f/3. The 1.4 is a slower lens.
A kit with say the 12-40, the 40-150, and say the 25 1.2 should be a well rounded kit. Or if you want to streamline it even more, the 12-100 and the 25 1.2.
Just the new pro lenses are costly. Ouch. ...Show more →
The Fuji 35/2 is also a lot smaller lens and costs 1/3 the price for that 2/3 stop depth of field difference. (half the length, thinner and less than half the weight) The 35/1.4 is also notably smaller.
The Oly Pro lenses are fantastic, though. Each that I've tested has been incredible optically, so I have no doubt these new ones will be as well. Good to see Oly catering to this market.
TMaG82 wrote:
The 25 1.2 looks like a really nice lens, some of the sample shots with it so far look very nice. I know that the equivalent is a 50mm f/2.4 but hopefully the AF will be quick and accurate with it. I know the Fuji 35 f/2 is a rather fast lens but if we're talking equivalents it's a f/3. The 1.4 is a slower lens.
A kit with say the 12-40, the 40-150, and say the 25 1.2 should be a well rounded kit. Or if you want to streamline it even more, the 12-100 and the 25 1.2.
Just the new pro lenses are costly. Ouch. ...Show more →
An F1.2 is a F1.2 - the only thing that is different is the DOF.
bobbytan wrote:
Yes, obviously they were rushing to make the announcement at Photokina ... and I have absolutely no problems with that, as long as most of the specs and feature set is out there for people to see. I would be very disappointed if they held back the announcement indefinitely.
One thing I have noticed is the bad placement of the strap lug, one of which is sitting right next to a dial and button. I am sure this is going to annoy me, as the strap may get in the way when you try to use the buttons/dials on the camera.
Looking at the rear of the body I'm wondering about back button focus, just something in-grained in me from EOS usage. Anybody use BBF with their Oly's
You can program the AEL/AFL button to use as a back button focus.
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Looking at the rear of the body I'm wondering about back button focus, just something in-grained in me from EOS usage. Anybody use BBF with their Oly's
Speaking of straps, this Peak Design Clutch is one of the best hand straps on the market. It's very functional and extremely comfortable. I don't have one yet but I plan to get one. I've seen one on a friend's camera and was very impressed.
TMaG82 wrote:
I was watching one of the videos this morning and it seemed like the standard camera strap kept on getting twisted around, which isn't uncommon but because of the new placement seems like it might get in the way.
I'm already experience a split grip technique with the X-T2. The strap lug is causing me to put the strap between my index and middle finger to shoot.
bobbytan wrote:
Speaking of straps, this Peak Design Clutch is one of the best hand straps on the market. It's very functional and extremely comfortable. I don't have one yet but I plan to get one. I've seen one on a friend's camera and was very impressed.
While the Clutch seems to be a good design, the original strap for the E-M1, the GS-5, is not much worse, and it has one great advantage: There's a dedicated attachment point for the strap under the battery grip, making it possible to leave a mounting plate for a tri- or monopod permanently in place. The Olympus strap is also relatively simple to adjust, and it's cheaper.
Jman13 wrote:
The Fuji 35/2 is also a lot smaller lens and costs 1/3 the price for that 2/3 stop depth of field difference. (half the length, thinner and less than half the weight) The 35/1.4 is also notably smaller.
The Oly Pro lenses are fantastic, though. Each that I've tested has been incredible optically, so I have no doubt these new ones will be as well. Good to see Oly catering to this market.
No actually, the Olympus lenses tend to be all over the place optically. Olympus fixes it in software but some of their expensive lenses are pretty bad if you use a Raw converter that can work with the unaltered files. So the net effect is pretty good but often the glass itself is poorly corrected - and it makes me wonder about the high cost on some of them.
The photos from these new lenses are pretty good. It makes the cameras kind of unbalanced however.
Jman13 wrote:
That's not my photo...the point is the limitation of the electronic shutter read speed....regardless of your selected shutter speed, the sensor reads the data line by line, taking about 1/60s to read the data. With fast moving subjects, you will have warping of the subject as it changes position during the exposure. It may work OK for panning, but I thought people used slower shutter speeds for panning anyhow, where 60fps is too fast for that (if you're panning at 1/15s, your burst rate is going to be within the next shutter rate anyway).
Regardless, it can handle 15fps on the mechanical shutter, so it'll still be very capable for sports...just that the 60fps mode will be quite limited for capturing action.
All we know is that that photo you posted shows a rolling shutter from older technology. At 8-10 fps, perhaps the readout is a problem but with 60 fps, perhaps they have a much faster readout or some other trick up the sleeve and then it may be a case where we have to wait to see.
or at least one can hope, if not this model that soon. And then one day we will have 286fps ... and it's going to be really boring shooting. I did a bit of motorsports with a Nikon F2, without the motor winder. On a good day I had almost 1.5 fps. You know what ... I had a blast and was ticked pink when I got things to click. With the D3 etc, it was, after a very short time, much like shooting fish in a barrel.
