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p.32 #1 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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More important is the compromise Olympus has made in its R&D, and its failure to challenge Sony in any meaningful way. Rather than adding new/interesting features to their cameras, they have to devote a team of engineers to simulate the high resolution chips of FF, just so they can appear they are in the game. A multishot mess no landscape aficionado would touch.

Such engineering efforts are so blatantly useless, it boggles the mind.

It boggles my mind how narrow some people's viewpoint is. Just because a certain feature won't be useful for you doesn't mean it's not exactly what someone else wants. I'm looking forward to using the high-res mode in aircraft museums and static shots.

Erich

Nov 26, 2016 at 11:21 AM

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p.32 #2 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I think it has been updated. A bit long and possibly just more hype, but if not hype, interesting what he says about continuous AF and Pro Capture mode.

Nov 26, 2016 at 12:42 PM

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p.32 #3 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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It boggles my mind how narrow some people's viewpoint is. Just because a certain feature won't be useful for you doesn't mean it's not exactly what someone else wants. I'm looking forward to using the high-res mode in aircraft museums and static shots.

Erich

I love Olympus, you are correct its obtuse to be so feature centric. Of course, the camera can suit many peoples needs, no doubt Olympus may have produced its best camera, to date, and should be rewarded for that.

My gripe comes from a three fold concession by Olympus, a worrying trend:

1) Obviously wedded to Sony and now Panasonic, Olympus have refused to defend their IP with regard to 5-axis stabilization. What was once a unique feature is now another bullet point in new Sony and Panasonic cams. Did Olympus not protect their patents? How is it they touted this unique feature so long and had no way to defend it?
2) A team of engineers devoted to high res means, imho, that Olympus will never have a sensor that is more than half of Sony's A7 series. Its an unusual thing to do pixel shift, and you are right to point out that if you are in a museum with a tripod, taking a still life, its great... for everything else, its terrible. It's just such a stupid thing to waste resources on when, for example, the menus are junk. Of course, thats just my opinion, as you say.
3) Olympus, wary of the bottom end of the market, have completely given up on compacts to focus on EM1-II. While this seems like the logical thing to do, how on earth did they not get out a Stylus with a 1" sensor with their lineage in high end compacts? It's like Panasonic and Sony got together and said, "tough", no 1" sensor for you.

In isolation my gripe may seem uniquely stupefying, and selfish... I merely wish to point out a disturbing trend in Olympus' focus on stuff that continually puts them behind the 8-ball, without a unique selling point, and never quite having the edge they should have, as the pioneer of mirrorless.

Olympus started this stuff, yet somehow after 10 years they still can't make a profit while everyone else walked all over their IP.

Nov 26, 2016 at 01:22 PM

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p.32 #4 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

I'd imagine that Olympus figures fixing the menus won't sell very many cameras. They're probably right. Sony's menus are also junk and, frankly, while Panasonic's are better they aren't exactly a selling point.

High res shot, on the other hand, is a selling point for some photographers.

Nov 26, 2016 at 02:31 PM

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p.32 #5 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

taran wrote:
I love Olympus, you are correct its obtuse to be so feature centric. Of course, the camera can suit many peoples needs, no doubt Olympus may have produced its best camera, to date, and should be rewarded for that.

My gripe comes from a three fold concession by Olympus, a worrying trend:

1) Obviously wedded to Sony and now Panasonic, Olympus have refused to defend their IP with regard to 5-axis stabilization. What was once a unique feature is now another bullet point in new Sony and Panasonic cams. Did Olympus not protect their patents? How is it they touted this unique...Show more →

For a while, Sony had a stake in Olympus and most likely part of the deal was that they got some tech, like IBIS. Olympus is still ahead of the others, though, just like Sony is ahead with sensors.

Menus suck for some, not for others.

Compacts are a declining market.

Nov 26, 2016 at 03:15 PM

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p.32 #6 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

taran wrote:
I love Olympus, you are correct its obtuse to be so feature centric. Of course, the camera can suit many peoples needs, no doubt Olympus may have produced its best camera, to date, and should be rewarded for that.

My gripe comes from a three fold concession by Olympus, a worrying trend:

1) Obviously wedded to Sony and now Panasonic, Olympus have refused to defend their IP with regard to 5-axis stabilization. What was once a unique feature is now another bullet point in new Sony and Panasonic cams. Did Olympus not protect their patents? How is it they touted this unique...Show more →

IBIS may or may not be an Olympus idea, I have no idea. Pentax has it as well.

Physics dictate that m4/3 will never match FF. I'm happy that they're doing what they can to find improvements.

Do you honestly think the compact camera market is profitable at this point?

Nov 26, 2016 at 03:23 PM

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p.32 #7 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

Compact cameras are finished I'd say, so there's little point to putting resources into that category. I think Olympus has a decent strategy forward. No one knows where the bottom of the market will be once the dust settles. Canon and Nikon just keep reiterating the same thing with a few improvements each generation, no news there. But they are the biggest market share and if you want to survive, you've got to do something different or better. Olympus is following a good strategy, offering something different and now, upping the performance. Hopefully this camera will perform as advertised, but even if it underperforms a bit, it will still shake things up.
They have produced a solid series of lenses from super wide angle to super telephoto. There's no stinkers in the lineup. Once you have the lenses, then you need the body, and now it appears they do. I think it is very wise to develop the hi res mode.
There are primarily two areas where larger sensors win compared to m43, low light and resolution. Physics rules out competing in the first, and in the second, hi res mode is chipping away at that advantage.

Nov 26, 2016 at 07:22 PM

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p.32 #8 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

For the Oly Visionary video: Shooting with e shutter at 60fps means the focus is fixed at the first shot, so how did the skateboarder stay in focus for 280 shots? Was it the tracking function that stayed active?

Nov 26, 2016 at 08:10 PM

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p.32 #9 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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For the Oly Visionary video: Shooting with e shutter at 60fps means the focus is fixed at the first shot, so how did the skateboarder stay in focus for 280 shots? Was it the tracking function that stayed active?

Olympus marketing making a completely BS claim? I'm shock, shocked I say...

Nov 26, 2016 at 10:25 PM

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p.32 #10 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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For the Oly Visionary video: Shooting with e shutter at 60fps means the focus is fixed at the first shot, so how did the skateboarder stay in focus for 280 shots? Was it the tracking function that stayed active?

He explains it in the comments below. It was a different clip with side on panning.

Nov 27, 2016 at 04:12 AM

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p.32 #11 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

Some are shocked, some worry about profitability. At a ripe old age some things I know I can do nothing about but I can keep imaging! Still looking forward to the M1ii, hurry up release date I say. I've even been studying Poof's M5ii's menus=no easy task ha! At least I'm going into Olympus with a serious mind this time. Some of you might recall I traded her an M10ii for a brand new 1DXii=deal of the century. Funny with 7 Canon bodies around the house she only picks up Sony or Olympus, she has a choice...and so do you naysayers. Why not darken another door with your negativity? We mFT lovers have heard it all before....take the broken record somewhere else please and let innovation and those of us who love it continue here

Nov 27, 2016 at 05:42 AM

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p.32 #12 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

All this moaning and complaining about what Olympus is doing, as well as the possible demise of compact cameras, is quite funny. Who really cares?

There is a myriad of cameras of all formats that one can use to take excellent photos. Most of them are better and more versatile than the cameras of 20 years ago. They keep getting better every year. If one particular camera or brand goes belly-up, it is because it was not good enough for enough people.

Whining about the Mark II, without even owning one, is even more of a joke.

Go take photos with excellent gear already available.

Nov 27, 2016 at 10:59 AM

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p.32 #13 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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Some are shocked, some worry about profitability. At a ripe old age some things I know I can do nothing about but I can keep imaging! Still looking forward to the M1ii, hurry up release date I say. I've even been studying Poof's M5ii's menus=no easy task ha! At least I'm going into Olympus with a serious mind this time. Some of you might recall I traded her an M10ii for a brand new 1DXii=deal of the century. Funny with 7 Canon bodies around the house she only picks up Sony or Olympus, she has a choice...and so do you...Show more →

Glad to hear that you are going to try the Dark Side once again. I got my hands on the E-M1 II last week and did some test shots with My PL 100-400.......fast, accurate......did I say fast?

Hoping to have my own copy in a couple of weeks since the BIF's are down here in Florida for the winter and my current E-M1, v1 has a hard time keeping up..

Nov 27, 2016 at 02:41 PM

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p.32 #14 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

Imagemaster wrote:
Sorry if this has been posted before, but I think it has been updated. A bit long and possibly just more hype, but if not hype, interesting what he says about continuous AF and Pro Capture mode.

Agree: interesting stuff. Thanks for posting. Glad to see the 60fps mystery subsequently explained. Any thoughts on:

1) The ISO 6400 sample image. Better than expected? As good as hoped?
2) The motorcycle front wheel in the last sample image? Would you trust electronic shutter on spinning subjects?
3) Pro Capture. Didn't another reviewer (dpreview?) say the Iceland testers were surprised at how quickly Pro Capture filled up their SD cards without them realizing it?

Nov 27, 2016 at 02:55 PM

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p.32 #15 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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Glad to hear that you are going to try the Dark Side once again. I got my hands on the E-M1 II last week and did some test shots with My PL 100-400.......fast, accurate......did I say fast?

Hoping to have my own copy in a couple of weeks since the BIF's are down here in Florida for the winter and my current E-M1, v1 has a hard time keeping up..

So glad to here the PL100-400 is doing well! I can switch out with the Mrs for the 300/4 but I think the PL will spend 99% of its life wedded to the M1ii. Are you using in lens stabilization or body? Assuming we have a choice?

Nov 27, 2016 at 04:26 PM

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Agree: interesting stuff. Thanks for posting. Glad to see the 60fps mystery subsequently explained. Any thoughts on:

1) The ISO 6400 sample image. Better than expected? As good as hoped?
2) The motorcycle front wheel in the last sample image? Would you trust electronic shutter on spinning subjects?
3) Pro Capture. Didn't another reviewer (dpreview?) say the Iceland testers were surprised at how quickly Pro Capture filled up their SD cards without them realizing it?

I had no issues with iso4000 or so, 6400 in a pinch. I expect this to be as good or better.

One reason I think using pro capture filled up cards is they had it set on Pro Capture High which uses 60 fps. If you set it on Pro Capture Low it should used 15 fps. 4 seconds at 60fps will give you 240 frames to go through.

Nov 27, 2016 at 04:34 PM

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p.32 #17 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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So glad to here the PL100-400 is doing well! I can switch out with the Mrs for the 300/4 but I think the PL will spend 99% of its life wedded to the M1ii. Are you using in lens stabilization or body? Assuming we have a choice?

I'm opting for the OIS of the Panasonic to gain the stable view while selecting a point to focus on. However, for BIF's when using the C-AF, high burst, on the E-M1, I leave both off since I'm looking for shutter speeds faster than 1/2000 and the stabilization seems to impede the focus lock. It didn't, however, seem to be an issue with the new E-M1 II when I tried it with my own PL100-400 and mistakenly left the OIS active.

Nov 27, 2016 at 09:10 PM

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p.32 #18 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

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1) Obviously wedded to Sony and now Panasonic, Olympus have refused to defend their IP with regard to 5-axis stabilization. What was once a unique feature is now another bullet point in new Sony and Panasonic cams. Did Olympus not protect their patents? How is it they touted this unique feature so long and had no way to defend it?

Konica Minolta launched the Maxxum/Dynax 7D with IBIS (AS at that time) in February 2004. Sony later bought Konica Minolta's camera division. Olympus launched the E-510 with IBIS in March 2007, three years after Konica Minolta.

Nov 28, 2016 at 01:29 AM

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p.32 #19 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

Moreover Olympus could be cross licensing to Sony and Panasonic to earn some $$.

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Konica Minolta launched the Maxxum/Dynax 7D with IBIS (AS at that time) in February 2004. Sony later bought Konica Minolta's camera division. Olympus launched the E-510 with IBIS in March 2007, three years after Konica Minolta.

Nov 28, 2016 at 07:04 AM

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p.32 #20 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II

Interesting info

Nov 28, 2016 at 04:21 PM

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