arbitrage wrote:
Even though this video is a bit amateur hour in itself, the takeaway I got from this is that this camera is a mess....did you see it trying to track an object against a blue sky?? That should be the easiest tracking situation there is....the thing just constantly loses the subject....
You would really put any credence in what those two clowns showed you? They didn't even know how to use the camera, even though the instruction manual was readily available to them. I doubt he even knew what he was doing when trying to track the drone for a whole two seconds.
What a joke. Don't know why Olympus would even allow two clowns like that to review their gear.
arbitrage wrote:
Even though this video is a bit amateur hour in itself, the takeaway I got from this is that this camera is a mess....did you see it trying to track an object against a blue sky?? That should be the easiest tracking situation there is....the thing just constantly loses the subject....
My apologies in advance for subjecting you to this video....without Kai this channel is next to useless....still another review to add to the masses...
Thanks for posting, every bit of new information is helpful. I agree with them about the menu system, if an interface is properly designed you shouldn't need to carry the instruction manual with you to find a setting.
Few but not many will be buying this as their first Olympus camera. I would venture to say that probably 90% of those that buy this will have experience with an E-M1/E-M5/ etc. I doubt many are going to make a $2,000 investment in a first time experience within an ecosystem.
Also they're trying to use AF lock instead of standard C-AF. Try using AF lock with any Sony and you have the same type of whacky performance. Use a 5-point AF array, or even the all AF points to activate the dancing squares and you have better results.
Pretty much the only thing I took away is that is in video looks great. What they said at the end isn't wrong. M4/3 is going to he held back by ISO performance. If you can get away with relying on IBIS to slow down shutter to keep ISO low then you will be satisfied. If you're looking for low light action shooting where you need to get at 1/250 or even faster then no m4/3 camera will ever satisfy you. Quite possibly no APS-C will either.
I would say if you look at the entire package, including IbIs, 4K with IBiS, live composite, focus stacking, fast refresh EVF, etc instead of just saying, ehh it's got a small sensor so it's crap, then you have a feature rich camera. Like every camera out there it won't do it all and has some negatives, but it's competitive to say the least.
Just made my first UHS-II purchase in prepping for the M1ii. Lexar is proud of them. The existence of that type of slot in this body tells me a lot. Even Sony's a-mount flag is still using UHS-I. Maybe their LSI chip does the buffering negating the need? Regardless a couple of cards, extra batteries, and grips are in the pipeline.
TMa I have to agree with your observation, that an other poster who said that mFT is the perfect compromise in size/weight/IQ. I recently shot 1DXii at ISO 16K, an impossibility with mFT but which would I rather carry for hours and hours on end?
Those same people with prior mFT experience adding the M1ii know full well the limitations AND freedom and embrace both (well I hope they do).
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Truer words have never been spoken.
There are quite a few solid examples of the E-M1 II in the E-M1 II Facebook group. Obviously IQ wise it won't look drastically different than the M-1, but what camera has improved that greatly in IQ from its predecessor?
Looking at the sum of all parts and the M1ii demands attention. I'm just lucky that the better-half can coach me into the menus We might end up fighting over the 300/4 but Mat at Mirrorlessons review of the PL100-400 shows it will be just fine on the M1ii.....and finally time to market the GX8.
If you really think about it, IQ is pretty much the same or slightly better amongst models with each generation, the real improvements come from useability and features. Take an a6000 and a6500. Put two pictures next to each other. I doubt you'd be able to notice a huge difference. Same goes for even something like an a7r and a7rII. Despite adding BSI and 6 more MP, IQ between the two at web level or even large print level would be more or less the same.
Iwas joeking wrote:
I agree with them about the menu system, if an interface is properly designed you shouldn't need to carry the instruction manual with you to find a setting.
And the more features, i.e. options, a camera has, the more likely you should have the instruction manual with you, especially when using the camera for the FIRST time, and especially if you are two clowns that have not even looked at the manual BEFORE using it.
They provided more examples of monkeys copulating than they did of anything useful.
arbitrage wrote:
Even though this video is a bit amateur hour in itself, the takeaway I got from this is that this camera is a mess....did you see it trying to track an object against a blue sky?? That should be the easiest tracking situation there is....the thing just constantly loses the subject....
Well if you can do this with E-M1, why would you not be able to do better with the Mark II?
Imagemaster wrote:
And the more features, i.e. options, a camera has, the more likely you should have the instruction manual with you, especially when using the camera for the FIRST time, and especially if you are two clowns that have not even looked at the manual BEFORE using it.
They provided more examples of monkeys copulating than they did of anything useful.
arbitrage wrote:
Even though this video is a bit amateur hour in itself, the takeaway I got from this is that this camera is a mess....did you see it trying to track an object against a blue sky?? That should be the easiest tracking situation there is....the thing just constantly loses the subject....
My apologies in advance for subjecting you to this video....without Kai this channel is next to useless....still another review to add to the masses...
Their reviews tend to oversimplify matters. For example, this one briefly mentions that the E-M1mk2 costs more than the X-T2. Well, it does have a lot of features that the X-T2 does not. IQ is just one factor, but oftentimes in these videos it's overemphasized.
Where did I ever imply that you couldn't get that shot? All I said is the auto tracking shown in that video was horrible. I wouldn't use auto tracking anyways. I'm sure you can get great results if you track yourself. But usually auto tracking on Canon, Nikon, Sony and Fuji give there best results on.a subject against sky. That Olympus has a serious glitch in its programming. But again, doesn't mean the camera can't produce amazing results.
By the way, what lens are you planning to use on it? 300 f/4? I looked at how much it would be to try that combo and it will come to $6000CDN with tax.....that is a lot for a one camera/lens solution but if it works well then it is a lot of power in a relatively compact kit.
arbitrage wrote:
By the way, what lens are you planning to use on it? 300 f/4? I looked at how much it would be to try that combo and it will come to $6000CDN with tax.....that is a lot for a one camera/lens solution but if it works well then it is a lot of power in a relatively compact kit.
Well if one's prime objective is going for the best mirrorless for wildlife, is that really a high price to pay? With the Panasonic/Leica 100-400 on it, you have a 35mm equivalent 200-800 f6.3 for $2,500CDN + $2,400CDN for a total of $4,900 before tax. Compare that to a Canon 1DX II with 200-400/560 f5.6 for $8,000CDN + $14,000CDN for a total of $22,000 before tax. Gee, only about $17,000.
I know some people that spend a lot more than that on their gear.
Comparing apples to oranges? Sure, but some people only want apples and not oranges, and vice-versa. I won't even go into the size and weight advantages of the Oly, when those are some of the most important factors for SOME people.
The Olympus 300/4 Pro, 40-150/2.8 Pro, and MC-14 that I already own will be even more fun to use on the E-M1.2.
That should cover for me from 40-420mm.
Or in terms of FF equivalent FOV from 80-840mm. Nice.
There is no doubt in my mind that the above setup is preferable to me as compared to my APS-C and FF systems from Nikon and Sony. Those latter FF systems I prefer mostly in available light situations.
Imagemaster wrote:
Well if one's prime objective is going for the best mirrorless for wildlife, is that really a high price to pay? With the Panasonic/Leica 100-400 on it, you have a 35mm equivalent 200-800 f6.3 for $2,500CDN + $2,400CDN for a total of $4,900 before tax. Compare that to a Canon 1DX II with 200-400/560 f5.6 for $8,000CDN + $14,000CDN for a total of $22,000 before tax. Gee, only about $17,000.
I know some people that spend a lot more than that on their gear.
Comparing apples to oranges? Sure, but some people only want apples and not oranges, and vice-versa. I won't even go into the size and weight advantages of the Oly, when those are some of the most important factors for SOME people....Show more →
I'm a fan of the PL 100-400mm. I carry it everyday everywhere in my over the shoulder sling-bag, currently on a GX8 but soon enough the GX8 will be retired and the M1ii taking its place.
We were in Panama last week. Lots of adventures but one was accruing 4 hours in a dugout to get to the spot where had to hike...looking for a 3 foot tall Pigeon with 5 inch talons. Poof carried an OMD-M5ii and the Oly 300/4. We found the bird---always good when you spend that many hours getting there. The light was crap-horribly backlit. I had a 1DXii and a 7Dii along but I cheated and paid a local to carry my backpack-what can I say, I'm old and fragile
In the end when comparing her images and mine the Oly did just fine, in fact just as good as mine with the EOS kit.
Point? Size/weight do matter to us who are aging (and aging quickly I might add).
We might end up fighting over the 300/4 but Mat at Mirrorlessons review of the PL100-400 shows it will be just fine on the M1ii.....and finally time to market the GX8. 
