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p.23 #1 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


And/or the 25/1.2.

RobCD wrote:
I agree about the versatility but a 12-100 f4 zoom on a micro four thirds camera is going to be very limiting in quite a few situations, not just in the dark. Don't get me wrong I could get a ton of use out of a lens like that but I'd want to have more than the 42 f1.2 to go along with it. But yes no doubt it will be a very capable system.





Nov 05, 2016 at 09:37 AM
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Iwas joeking wrote:
We don't really know how well it will perform at this point in time. We have only Olympus's marketing claims which are bold to say the least, and a few reviewers that neglected to test the camera's main claim to fame.
I hope it delivers as it will make an excellent system even better.


There's a few pictures on the Olympus E-M1 II FB group that show a pretty decent tracking sequence. It looks like it was stopped down since it's a pretty deep DoF but nonetheless not terrible.

Same person tested the Pro Capture mode with a set of exploding balloons that looks interesting.



Nov 05, 2016 at 10:12 AM
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Iwas joeking wrote:
We don't really know how well it will perform at this point in time. We have only Olympus's marketing claims which are bold to say the least, and a few reviewers that neglected to test the camera's main claim to fame.


I read the 2 reviews by Steve Huff and Ming Tein (on his blog). While the first was apparently invited by Oly to that Iceland trip wich puts the review into the regions of a "feature story" (powered by...), his still shows some nice images, also of the camera in very wet conditions. Ming Th. on the other hand is not exactly known by being overly enthusiastic, and despite some reservations regarding the sensor format his general impressions were very positive.

And yes: Once it is in the hands of a broader user base, it will be easier to see if it is just "a bit better than the last one" or if it really stands up to it's pro claims.



Nov 05, 2016 at 10:14 AM
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p.23 #4 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


TMaG82 wrote:
There's a few pictures on the Olympus E-M1 II FB group that show a pretty decent tracking sequence.


Can you post a direct link? Not that I will look if I have to sign up for FB to view it.



Nov 05, 2016 at 10:16 AM
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The argument that larger sensors should be more expensive is mostly mute these days (if you take medium format and larger out of the equation). The sensors them selves don't seem to be the big cost for the developers anymore. There are several low specification, 36x24mm sensor cameras around (Sony A7, Nikon D600/610 etc). Those cameras don't come near the EM-1 Mk I or II in any other specs though part from the DSLR's tracking performance, and that gap has hopefully been narrowed now. It's still to be proven but Robin Wong's review of the E-M1 had some pretty decent tracking shots of motorcycle racing. The Fujifilm X-T2 also fairs pretty good in this respect it would seem from different reviews so I think we've finally reached a point where mirrorless cameras, although not as good as the top pro DSLR's (canon 1 series and Nikon D5) they at least should be able to server most people well enough.

The cost now comes from all things mixed together, not the least build quality, speed, memory, processing units in the camera. Olympus said the E-M1 Mk II has got two CPU's, one for the general performance and one for the AF system. That alone brings up the cost.

I too find the price to be a bit too steep, I can't afford it at the moment so I have no option but to wait. Olympus has however gone out on a limb I think. I do believe the price will set many people off. Those of us already invested in some PRO and or expensive lenses for the system may very well look the Mk II but I think that many people looking at this price range for a new system will most likely still go the safe route of a more common make such as the Nikon D500 (which, btw, is most likely the most capable sports and wild life camera around).

The D500 and E-M1 Mk.II are the EXACT same price in Sweden and I'd say those are two cameras that should be put in the same territory as far as specs go and what you may want to use them for.



Nov 05, 2016 at 10:49 AM
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p.23 #6 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


I think all the complaints about the price are silly, this camera raises the bar, and soon the GH5 will do the same. And they offer capabilities nothing else in their price range can match. IMO the GH5 is going to come in higher than the EM1.2, given IBIS, 4k/60p, internal 10-bit and so on - and it'll still be a bargain since there's nothing under $6000 that can do the same - and none of them have IBIS.

This is a maturation of the m43 mount, we have stellar pro zooms and primes, a complete lineup of bodies from entry level to high end, and hybrid capabilities no DSLR can match. Most of the "too expensive for a m43 camera" comments are coming from the bigger is better crowd that can't see past sensor size. Yet Sony seems to be doing well with the $1000+ 1" sensor RX cameras, which quite frankly is a head scratcher for me.



Nov 05, 2016 at 11:47 AM
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Assuming that quality/features always is going to have a linear relationship with cost is a fallacy of reasoning, especially when it comes to consumer goods.

Price it a totally independent variable, at times bearing a relationship to performance, and other times being simply what the market will yield.

Look at Leica for example. Do they make a nice product ? Yeah, they do, but does the price levels in any way correlate to absolute scales of performance ? Not even close.

You can pay 2-3 times more money and not get any measurable performance improvement for that extra cost. But; its a Leica and people will pay it.

Its a free market and producers can set whatever price they want. I can splatter some point onto a $5 white t-shirt, call it a designer good, and say its $60.

Olympus can introduce a new camera, with features they think will appeal to a lot of photographers, and ask $1999 for it.

Is it $400 "better" than say a Fuji XT2 ? How can anyone really answer that as an absolute, all encompassing answer ?

If someone wants to have a set priced scale, with an absolute maximum they are wiling to pay based on sensor size, more power to them. Maybe for a given individual they won't pay over XX dollars for APS-C or smaller, and XX +500 for FF, and heck, XX +2000 for medium format, but so what ? That is their choice and they are free to spend, or not spend their money, just like the rest of us.

I paid several thousand dollars for a bicvcle. Plenty of people probably would say no, they are not spending more for a bike than a lot of used cars cost, but to each his own.

Buy the EM1.2 or don't buy it, end of story, what other options are there in the end ? One can of course hold off buying it and maybe the price will decline, but in the end its either a camera you end up buying, or not buying.

There is no middle ground. There is no option to offer $1700 to Olympus and have them give you a camera with 80% of the features, or pay $2300 and have it upgraded to APS-C.

You can buy it and whine that its too expensive, or that you don't feel it was a great value, but in the end, you bought it. That is all that really counts at the end of the day.

I don't really understand what it is about cameras that makes people feel they are any different than any other consumer good, where we think we can have a debate on the price and its magically going to change anything, or that we are 'owed' a certain product at a certain price.

Its like saying I've driven Honda's for 15 yeas and they better price their latest sports coupe at a price I find acceptable because they owe it to me to have that car to drive.

There is this odd mentality where some photographers think that past purchases mean the company should be expected to introduce future products that appeal to ones' specific needs/wants and at a given price.

What is it about camera's, or photography, that reflects that mentality in so many individuals ?

They are consumer electronics products, but we have a far different attachment to them that other products we buy. I guess its because we see them as tools used for our means of self-expression and to a large degree, our identity ?

Its not just a $xx electronics purchase, its what defines us. When I bought my latest TV or blu-ray etc, I was just a consumer. When I bought my camera I suddenly became a photographer, and as such, redefined myself, how I view myself, how I want others to see me. I'm an artist now.... I produce photographs while everyone else takes pictures. I grew out my beard maybe.... I don't see garbage in an alley anymore, I see "found art" etc etc.

I guess given how emotionally invested in our camera's non-rational thinking with regards to brand names, pricing etc is to be expected.



Nov 05, 2016 at 12:21 PM
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p.23 #8 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


Is the 1.2 less customizable than the 1.0? On the 1.0 you can create four Mysets -- two on the Fn buttons, two on the Mode Dial. Looks like the new body, while offering three C sets on the Mode Dial, limits the Fn buttons so that you cannot apply a full set of parameters to either one.

If, say, you are shooting using S-AF, small focus point and pattern metering, and want to switch instantly to, say, C-AF with a group target, CWA metering and high shutter speed, you can no longer do it with a button press. You'd have to turn the Mode Dial, maybe more than one click if you're not in M (directly adjacent to C1) or not using C1 for that set of parameters.

As hardships go, this doesn't seem like a huge deal, just a bit less appealing. Am I missing something in my reading of the new features?



Nov 05, 2016 at 02:55 PM
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Wilbus wrote:
The argument that larger sensors should be more expensive is mostly mute these days (if you take medium format and larger out of the equation). The sensors them selves don't seem to be the big cost for the developers anymore. There are several low specification, 36x24mm sensor cameras around (Sony A7, Nikon D600/610 etc). Those cameras don't come near the EM-1 Mk I or II in any other specs though part from the DSLR's tracking performance, and that gap has hopefully been narrowed now. It's still to be proven but Robin Wong's review of the E-M1 had some pretty decent
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I agree.

Olympus noted that part of the increase was due to the 23% drop in the Pound post Brexit. The need to equalize pricing (to some degree) necessitated a bump globally.

While I also agree that the pricing is a bit ambitious, a couple of considerations need to be taken into account.

First, it is a flagship model and as such commands a premium. As a flagship they also sell in smaller numbers.

Second, as a pro model the price implies a support network that is more robust than the consumer electronics model that Sony offers.

I do not know the level of pro support that Oly offers but their ads imply they are all in for working pros.




Nov 05, 2016 at 06:12 PM
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Jack Kelley wrote:
Is the 1.2 less customizable than the 1.0? On the 1.0 you can create four Mysets -- two on the Fn buttons, two on the Mode Dial. Looks like the new body, while offering three C sets on the Mode Dial, limits the Fn buttons so that you cannot apply a full set of parameters to either one.

If, say, you are shooting using S-AF, small focus point and pattern metering, and want to switch instantly to, say, C-AF with a group target, CWA metering and high shutter speed, you can no longer do it with a button press.
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I believe (not 100% sure) it's just as customizable. You've got three custom settings in the mode dial (C1-3) that you can set up. I'm pretty sure you can still use the the Fn buttons as well.



Nov 06, 2016 at 03:54 AM
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p.23 #11 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


Found a short video from Jessops with some birds in flight. However, they never really say if the continues auto focus was used or not or if they simple fired away with 60fps and a pre-locked focus point.




Nov 06, 2016 at 03:55 AM
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p.23 #12 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


A nice 4k sample. The lack of rolling shutter on this camera is nothing short of amazing. Even if video isn't your thing, it will improve the usefulness of the E-shutter dramatically.




Nov 06, 2016 at 08:01 AM
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p.23 #13 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


3 reviews here:

http://www.43rumors.com/e-m1ii-preview-by-luminous-landscape-yes-i-will-buy-it-somewhat-reluctantly/




Nov 06, 2016 at 08:09 AM
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p.23 #14 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


Wilbus wrote:
I believe (not 100% sure) it's just as customizable. You've got three custom settings in the mode dial (C1-3) that you can set up. I'm pretty sure you can still use the the Fn buttons as well.


Thanks, Rasmus. If you get a chance: what do you make of Pages 66-71 in the new manual? To me, it looks like you can reprogram the Fn1 and Fn2 buttons only with single functions. One option is called Multi Function, but that just cycles through a limited list of single button defaults such as WB or Peaking. You cannot program in a full set of shooting parameters to change shutter speed, f-stop, ISO, metering, AF Target mode, etc. all at once.

One of the features I like best about the E-M1 is that you can switch to a full set of parameters with a single button press, jumping instantly from, for example, a portrait setup to an action setup. Even my (sold) Canon 1D X couldn't do that; you had to cycle through successive button presses. On the E-M1.2 it looks like you need to use the C1-C3 settings on the Mode Dial to quickly change full setups -- fine in most circumstance, but when you need instant change to not miss the moment, less fine. Waah!




Nov 06, 2016 at 02:14 PM
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Jack Kelley wrote:
Thanks, Rasmus. If you get a chance: what do you make of Pages 66-71 in the new manual? To me, it looks like you can reprogram the Fn1 and Fn2 buttons only with single functions. One option is called Multi Function, but that just cycles through a limited list of single button defaults such as WB or Peaking. You cannot program in a full set of shooting parameters to change shutter speed, f-stop, ISO, metering, AF Target mode, etc. all at once.

One of the features I like best about the E-M1 is that you can switch to a
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Yes. They did away with the MySets as you refer to them.



Nov 06, 2016 at 03:29 PM
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p.23 #16 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


TMaG82 wrote:
Yes. They did away with the MySets as you refer to them.


Oh, well. Life is change. Maybe I can put in for hazardous-duty pay.




Nov 06, 2016 at 03:42 PM
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TMaG82 wrote:
Barring a breakthrough in technology I think sensors have matured to the point where IQ is what it is. Any improvements in cameras will come from useability and features and sensors will stay the same or slightly better.



I think there is a fair bit more room for sensor tech development with out any radical breakthroughs. For example the Exmor RS sensor tech has yet to reach the larger sensors. If Sony and other companies continue to move to more modern process technology, shrink the circuits that record and transfer the data, improve microlens design and increase pixel well depth and sensitivity its likely that signal to noise ratios will improve giving better ISO and dynamic range. If they also improve the rate they read data from the pixels and start to individually control/adjust pixel sensitivity and add cache and processing to the sensor it may be possible generate major improvements with out having to introduce a completely new technology.



Nov 06, 2016 at 05:02 PM
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Oh, well. Life is change. Maybe I can put in for hazardous-duty pay.



Yes looks like it :-/

Not a deal breaker to me but not sure why they removed a function like this, specially since it's Olympus where you can customize more things than you'd normally really want to. I didn't use it much, part from focus peaking hack on the E-M5. I suspect 3xCustom settings on the mode dial should take care of MOST needs though but I guess time will tell



Nov 07, 2016 at 07:22 AM
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p.23 #19 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


Nothing to do with the E-M1 Mk II but found this video about BIF and Nikon D500, that is some serious impressive AF. Can the E-M1 come close do you think?

Worth watching even if you're not interested in the camera (I am not)





Nov 07, 2016 at 08:04 AM
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p.23 #20 · Olympus E-M1 Mk II


Price in Canada - $1,868US, or $2,500CDN:

http://www.thecamerastore.com/11067-Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-Mark-II-Body.aspx



Nov 07, 2016 at 12:14 PM
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