TMaG82 wrote:
Having a power button on the left side is that big a deal? I guess all those Canon users must feel the same way. Again it seems like they made the 1/2 switch be programmable to act as on/off so it's now on your right side.
The menus are not the best, I'll give you that. It'll take you a while to adjust everything to your liking. Some want a camera that they can pickup and everything is set for them. Some like to be able to customize everything like the rotation to increase or decrease aperture. For me it takes a while to setup an Olympus camera. I wish menu was able to be adjusted by touch screen. Once I'm done setting it up I'm rarely needing to go back into the menu.
We have to find an excuse for our lack of creativity - really, I can't believe adult men are complaining about the on/off switch being on the left side. Just imagine if we (males) had to give birth. Based on these reasons, the Homo sapiens would die out in no time.
Instead of complaining like little girls, why don't you purchase cameras that fit your styles? My goodness.
k-h.a.w wrote:
I rely a lot on muscle memory for my various cameras.
So, why make it gratuitously hard?
Come on man! Are you really going to go on about turning on a camera? I bet you are not even a pro. What is so difficult about turning the camera on? Do you have a time limit?
The power switch must go somewhere. Some places are better than others. Seems having it near the shutter, as many companies do, sure makes it easier for fast, one handed operation. It is something you do everytime you use your camera and sometimes things are time critical.
Why not put it near the shutter if you can?
Especially on a mirror less cam where you are trying to conserve battery and toggling power all the time.
On my Nikon and Canon DSLRs, I think sometimes I never turned the power off, so I didn't really care where the switch was, as there was practically no power consumption in sleep mode and a half shutter press allowed super fast, one handed instant on. Kind of like having the power switch on a mirror less cam near the shutter!
savingspaces wrote:
Come on man! Are you really going to go on about turning on a camera? I bet you are not even a pro. What is so difficult about turning the camera on? Do you have a time limit?
I can understand wanting a car you are in love with but it only comes with a manual gearbox, but you wish it was automatic or if the shutter was on the bottom of the camera, but an on/off switch that you only need to turn on at the start of a session? That is nothing more than a "Cadillac problem"
savingspaces wrote:
We have to find an excuse for our lack of creativity - really, I can't believe adult men are complaining about the on/off switch being on the left side. Just imagine if we (males) had to give birth. Based on these reasons, the Homo sapiens would die out in no time.
Instead of complaining like little girls, why don't you purchase cameras that fit your styles? My goodness.
Let me explain some of my distain. On the face of it ... well every camera is a set of compromises. I marveled ofen that for regular shooting people found small and light such a big deal. I mean if you want to be a photographer, stop whining about having to cary a bit of weight, can be said to be with about the same gravity as that on/off switch.
But I bought into the panasonic four thirds system for a particular reason when the first M43 camera was released. I bicycle tour. I mean long distances, like 2800 miles over two continuous months. (and I stealth camp) So I bought into the Panasonic system so that I could have two small bodies in my Carradice handlebar bag, mounted with two primes (that part is also important) and two extra lenses. I need primes for the same reason that I need a camera with a on/off that can be turned on/off with the right hand. Why? because I can't use two hands from the bike while in motion and about 40% percent of my shots, if I travel with someone are from the saddle while moving. If you put in sixty to 90 miles a day twelve days in a row ... well you will understand, why normally one does not stop.
So now I carry two Fuji bodies instead. The larger size is not ideal but the camera functions the way I like it to. The Olympus does not and they sit here getting almost no use due to one dumb detail. And I'd like to ask Olympus ... "why?". Is it the "we gotta be different" and "we gotta do it like in the 80's for tradition's sake"? Dumb.
If it were not for the focus stacking I'd be long gone from the Olympus brand - no matter how great some of their features are. If Panasonic or Fuji add focus stacking ...
So yes, it's a big deal. just like weather sealing and a host of other features are really important to some while not at all to others.
And lastly it show Olympus to be a lot like nikon; a company that does not listen as well as a few competitors do.
In 2012, when my daughter was 12 years old and about to go to highschool, we took a 2200 mile bike trip from North Carolina to Texas, covering 11 states, over 54 days. I had the pani then and it was the perfect thing to bring. These were a few shot from the saddle, and now years later are precious to me:
Then I "upgraded" not thinking about one seemingly insignificant feature. Yesterday I bought an iPhone 7+. May have a OM-D 5 mk11, bought in March, with 137 clicks on the counter for sale soon. Switch hardly used!
But I do love what Olympus has done right lately ... it is a lot, seriously.
I much prefer the on off switch as it is. Maybe because I'm left handed? For me since I always use two hands, having it on the left allows me to be ready to press the shutter faster. Glad to hear that the iPhone is easier for you to operate one handed than the only cameras.
savingspaces wrote:
I much prefer the on off switch as it is. Maybe because I'm left handed? For me since I always use two hands, having it on the left allows me to be ready to press the shutter faster. Glad to hear that the iPhone is easier for you to operate one handed than the only cameras.
That's what will be nice about the E-M1 II, like the regulars on/off? Great. Want it on the right side? Make the 1/2 your on/off and the existing on/off will be your remapped 1/2. Want both? Guess you're out of luck and will have something else to complain about.
savingspaces wrote:
I much prefer the on off switch as it is. Maybe because I'm left handed? For me since I always use two hands, having it on the left allows me to be ready to press the shutter faster. Glad to hear that the iPhone is easier for you to operate one handed than the only cameras.
Thinking about what you said, I feel the iPhone probably may be even harder to operate one handed. It is a breeze to turn on ... but the rest will leave a lot wanting, and the fact is that if I drop my camera and bust it, I'm fine with that, but to bust my phone, even though I carry two with me - I'd cry. A rethink is needed, I think.
Is that second switch concept available via firmware for the E-1 and the M-5 mk2? I could likely live with that.
savingspaces wrote:
Come on man! Are you really going to go on about turning on a camera? I bet you are not even a pro. What is so difficult about turning the camera on? Do you have a time limit?
It doesn't matter where the power switch is located, it can be turned on. But that doesn't mean that there aren't better and more fluid positions to put it. After all, we could formulate an argument that it is better to make the power switch recessed so that it can't be accidentally turned off...like maybe we have to open the memory card door to turn the camera on? The best location IMO is around the shutter button, having used different camera systems and models over the years, I still think that is the most natural and logical position to have it.
Iwas joeking wrote:
It doesn't matter where the power switch is located, it can be turned on. But that doesn't mean that there aren't better and more fluid positions to put it. After all, we could formulate an argument that it is better to make the power switch recessed so that it can't be accidentally turned off...like maybe we have to open the memory card door to turn the camera on? The best location IMO is around the shutter button, having used different camera systems and models over the years, I still think that is the most natural and logical position to have it....Show more →
You are 100% correct, but we could complain about every other button. My point is that Olympus already made a decision and I m sure they had their reasons. So one can except it or change brands. Neither choice will make you a better photographer and in my book, that should be goal number 1. Not button placements.
savingspaces wrote:
You are 100% correct, but we could complain about every other button. My point is that Olympus already made a decision and I m sure they had their reasons. So one can except it or change brands. Neither choice will make you a better photographer and in my book, that should be goal number 1. Not button placements.
You seem to take this a bit more personally than I think you should. No one's going to change brands because they don't like the location of the power switch, custom buttons or even the menu system. But this is a gear forum after all, and discussing ergonomics(good, could be better), autofocus(needs improvement), lenses(awesome) and the menu system(ugh!) is what is done on here. Posting images and having them critiqued is a way of improving in the area you mention.
When the new camera is released everyone will be interested in hearing how the camera functions in several areas that needed improvement, not about how they can improve their photography(as sad as that may seem to you).
Just my opinion of course.
I would say it is the other way around. You guys are making way too big of an issue out of the on/off button placement. If you were missing an arm I'd understand.
I pay as much to be here as you. Just like how you'd prefer that "I" moved on? Well guess what? I'd prefer if I could read about the camera in question instead of having to read over and over their justification why it is ok to complain about the on/off switch. It is a done deal, it is going to be on the left side.
savingspaces wrote:
I pay as much to be here as you. Just like how you'd prefer that "I" moved on? Well guess what? I'd prefer if I could read about the camera in question instead of having to read over and over their justification why it is ok to complain about the on/off switch. It is a done deal, it is going to be on the left side.
Yup, so it is. Let's move on and marvel at its improvements when it shows up.
savingspaces wrote:
I would say it is the other way around. You guys are making way too big of an issue out of the on/off button placement. If you were missing an arm I'd understand.
I don't see anyone making a big issue about it except one, the rest are just commenting on it. What's wrong with that?
