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p.2 #1 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


Images look pretty sharp to me.

One thing to keep in mind is that lenses often have strengths and weaknesses. I bought the 24-120 to use primarily on the wide end as it's strongest there. It's strongest 24-40mm. Anything above 70mm on this lens, wide open, and you'll notice some softness. I believe right around 70mm is the single worst focal length for this lens. The lens does really sharpen up quite a bit on the tele end at f5.6 though. http://www.photozone.de/nikon_ff/574-nikkorafs24120f4vrff?start=1

On the flipside, the Canon 24-105 is weaker at 40mm and achieves it's single highest wide open (f4) score at 70mm: http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/420-canon_24105_4_5d?start=1



May 07, 2015 at 02:53 PM
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p.2 #2 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


You shot a cheap lens wide open relatively tight. Looks pretty good to me.


May 07, 2015 at 03:19 PM
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I spent one sleepless night with D750 and 24-120 f4, learning that lens is way to be called sharp, plus, I had to calibrate it to +20. I was already infected with Fuji, so I exchanged that set for x-t1, I had no patience for such an inaccuracy. System has some limits, compared to D750, but I'm amazed how every Fuji lens is extremely sharp, even wide open (kit lenses too, or cheap lenses, as mentioned just above).


May 07, 2015 at 04:28 PM
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cvrle59 wrote:
I spent one sleepless night with D750 and 24-120 f4, learning that lens is way to be called sharp, plus, I had to calibrate it to +20. I was already infected with Fuji, so I exchanged that set for x-t1, I had no patience for such an inaccuracy. System has some limits, compared to D750, but I'm amazed how every Fuji lens is extremely sharp, even wide open (kit lenses too, or cheap lenses, as mentioned just above).


And then when you go to shoot a tracking burst in low light...




(these tools have their places...)



May 07, 2015 at 05:41 PM
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p.2 #5 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


check the focus point in Nikon's ViewNX2

stop the lens down some and shoot a test pattern or similar at 1/250



May 07, 2015 at 06:19 PM
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p.2 #6 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


imported to LR and added sharpening with luminance and it's very nice. i'm shooting with the a6000 and would take this as a nice upgrade. although if I would put the afs 85/1.4 nikkor on there for superb shots of people


May 07, 2015 at 06:30 PM
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johnctharp wrote:
And then when you go to shoot a tracking burst in low light...



(these tools have their places...)

Those are the limits, I mentioned, but I'm not shooting basketball any more. My son is done at NCAA, what I used to use my trusty D700 for, paired with 70-200 VR2. Selling that camera was a classic mistake. If you owe one, don't ever sell it...to anyone.
BTW, I didn't have to tune any of the lenses on D700, they all were dead on.



May 07, 2015 at 07:47 PM
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p.2 #8 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


I sold my d700 because all my lenses required tuning on it, but they are all spot on for my d750 (even my Sigma 35).




May 08, 2015 at 07:37 AM
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p.2 #9 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


i feel same way with my D750, does more megapixels need more or different sharpening?


May 08, 2015 at 08:41 AM
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p.2 #10 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


My D700 has never needed tuning, and neither has my D800. Guess I just got lucky


May 08, 2015 at 09:29 AM
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p.2 #11 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


After lots of testing, it's pretty clear my 24-120/F4 is front focussing at 24mm and back focussing at 120mm. Pretty good at 70mm. Is this something that can be fixed by sending the lens to Nikon, so both ends are ok?


May 08, 2015 at 09:57 AM
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Uzay wrote:
i feel same way with my D750, does more megapixels need more or different sharpening?


If you're comparing, say, a D700 image @ 100% to a D750 image @ 100%, the D750 image will probably look a little softer all else being equal. Now, if you take that D750 image and down-sample it to 12MP, it will never be worse than the D700 image all things being equal. Same goes for putting average glass on a high MP camera, it will never be worse than on a lower MP camera all else being equal.

If you want to look at everything at 100% pixel level all the time like many of us obsess over, quality glass, technique, support, and adequate shutter speed all become more and more important as the MP go up. The images also sharpen up VERY well and can take a lot of sharpening before they start to look overcooked. I suspect part of it as well is Nikon's conservative approach to sharpening.




May 08, 2015 at 10:04 AM
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lapino wrote:
After lots of testing, it's pretty clear my 24-120/F4 is front focussing at 24mm and back focussing at 120mm. Pretty good at 70mm. Is this something that can be fixed by sending the lens to Nikon, so both ends are ok?


Personally I would exchange a zoom lens that wasn't accurate everywhere, because you cannot properly AF fine tune it unless it's out by the same amount at every combination of subject distance and focal length, which is unlikely. You are already seeing that since your lens front focuses at 24mm and back focuses at 120mm, using AF fine tune isn't likely going to solve your problem. If you make one end better, the other will get worse. Also you will probably ruin the "pretty good 70mm" as soon as you enter an AF fine tune value for 24mm or 120mm. If you get lucky and a global AF fine tune value works, great, but I would be surprised.

Until Nikon introduces the ability to fine tune lenses at every focal length and subject distance combination and store separate values for each, I would exchange any zoom lens that wasn't cooperating. That's just my thinking though, you may have a different opinion.



May 08, 2015 at 10:14 AM
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Until Nikon introduces the ability to fine tune lenses at every focal length and subject distance combination and store separate values for each, I would exchange any zoom lens that wasn't cooperating.

Somewhere at Sigma HQ, someone's ROFL
Suggestion:
get the Sigma 24-105 f4 OS "A" for that D750...
and you won't be complaining about soft shots.



May 08, 2015 at 10:39 AM
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p.2 #15 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


I have been thinking about that, but then I lose a bit of reach too and I've read the Sigma is quite a bit heavier too.


May 08, 2015 at 10:49 AM
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p.2 #16 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


What good is extra "reach" if it's blurry. The
weight difference is called build quality, I hope
to be shootin' with mine when I'm 80.



May 08, 2015 at 01:58 PM
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p.2 #17 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


The Sigma also has 82mm filter threads, the bigger glass is largely what makes it heavier, but only by 175g, so it's not much. The ART build quality is top notch though. It was never as popular as intended because it cost the same as the Nikon/Canon branded equivalents, but it is a gem for sure.

The dock is good, but it still a pain to use (thankfully only once). Hopefully version 2.0 of the dock includes a fully automated calibration process.



May 08, 2015 at 02:09 PM
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p.2 #18 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


trenchmonkey wrote:
What good is extra "reach" if it's blurry. The
weight difference is called build quality, I hope
to be shootin' with mine when I'm 80.


Hey Buddy... with all that grey... I thought you were 80




May 09, 2015 at 12:59 PM
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p.2 #19 · D750 images not quite as sharp as I expect


I don't think it's really fair for anyone to say that it's sharp enough, "deal with it." etc. etc...

Sure, you're totally pixel peeping, and most people could care less about the subtle sharpness difference, but with that said, I pixel peep, too, and there's nothing wrong with that, otherwise I’d be shooting with much cheaper equipment. I'm sure you bought the 750 thinking it could perform as well as your 5D3, if not better.

I personally don’t think it’s your sensor or your camera. It’s most likely your lens. Although, I’m not completely ruling that out. I think it’s just best to autofocus fine-tune first, before coming to any conclusions. I personally think you just lucked out with your Canon setup. I’ve owned both Canon and Nikon equipment, and I can say without a doubt, that they both have their fair share of af fine-tuning needs.

I shoot with a 750 myself and I've had zero problems with it.

Is this not sharp enough?:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/5a0ctkwkecs2orq/fande-100.jpg

Of course, this was shot using manual focus and a Zeiss Otus.

Try shooting a few shots using live view. That’ll be a true test of knowing if it’s a sensor/body issue. Once that’s ruled out, check out https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1187247

Then come back and let us know if you’re still unhappy with it.



May 09, 2015 at 02:33 PM
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trenchmonkey wrote:
What good is extra "reach" if it's blurry. The
weight difference is called build quality, I hope
to be shootin' with mine when I'm 80.

Donzo98 wrote:
Hey Buddy... with all that grey... I thought you were 80


Don, a wife of 34 yrs...2 daughters thru college...3 grandkids
will do that to ya



May 10, 2015 at 06:53 AM
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