p.2 #1 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
I don't think Sony is interested in Olympus' camera division TBH. It's been in the red for quite some time. They're probably much more interested in their endoscopes, where all the money is.
p.2 #2 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
riotshield wrote:
I don't think Sony is interested in Olympus' camera division TBH. It's been in the red for quite some time. They're probably much more interested in their endoscopes, where all the money is.
Could also be some camera/lens patent sharing/licensing or tech-sharing deals, too.
p.2 #3 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
jctriguy wrote:
Fuji doesn't compete because the FF mirrorless market is tiny and fickle.
I see 10 Sony A7's for every Fuji mirrorless camera out in the "wild". I've yet to see anyone shoot an X-T1, anywhere in the past year. Whenever I spot a Fuji shooter, 9 times out of 10 it's an X100 type camera and if it is a ILC then it's an X-E1/2.
p.2 #4 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
rattymouse wrote:
I see 10 Sony A7's for every Fuji mirrorless camera out in the "wild". I've yet to see anyone shoot an X-T1, anywhere in the past year. Whenever I spot a Fuji shooter, 9 times out of 10 it's an X100 type camera and if it is a ILC then it's an X-E1/2.
The Fuji X-T1 shooters are very stealthy. I'd conservatively estimate that, in any given open space, there is approximately three X-T1 shooters per square kilometer. They're just well hidden.
In this shot, there are five X-T1 shooters. Can you spot them all?
If you do spot one in the wild, do not make eye contact. They are highly territorial and will attempt to engage you in a conversation about the superiority of their camera.
p.2 #5 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
A really great list of the bloggers. Many are amazing at taking great TEST photos,
don't remember many really great photos though.
I wonder what Ken Rockwell voted for...
p.2 #6 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
freaklikeme wrote:
If you do spot one in the wild, do not make eye contact. They are highly territorial and will attempt to engage you in a conversation about the superiority of their camera.
p.2 #7 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
snowboarder wrote:
A really great list of the bloggers. Many are amazing at taking great TEST photos,
don't remember many really great photos though.
I wonder what Ken Rockwell voted for...
If you click one of the article links, it details all the blogger picks and reasons.
p.2 #8 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
rattymouse wrote:
I see 10 Sony A7's for every Fuji mirrorless camera out in the "wild". I've yet to see anyone shoot an X-T1, anywhere in the past year. Whenever I spot a Fuji shooter, 9 times out of 10 it's an X100 type camera and if it is a ILC then it's an X-E1/2.
Are those FF cameras? I didn't think Fuji had a FF...
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p.2 #9 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
Not FF, Fujis are APS-C
jctriguy wrote:
Are those FF cameras? I didn't think Fuji had a FF...
p.2 #11 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
This list really is useless and ridiculous. It's really hard to pick up a bad camera today, if you pick up one of the manufacturer's best camera. The market today isn't like what it was 5 years ago when people were crazed about the "best" gear. I think these kind of lists really targets system jumpers, suffering from GAS. Unfortunately, the pandemic of gear lust has died down significantly. It turns out the cure for GAS was the smartphone and rising indifference.
p.2 #12 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
jctriguy wrote:
Exactly. Was just curious what rattys reply had to do with my comment about Fuji not competing with sony in the FF market.
You called the FF market tiny (and that Fuji would not compete in such a tiny market) and my reply was that I see far more of this "tiny" market than I do Fuji cameras.
p.2 #13 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
sflxn wrote:
This list really is useless and ridiculous. It's really hard to pick up a bad camera today, if you pick up one of the manufacturer's best camera. The market today isn't like what it was 5 years ago when people were crazed about the "best" gear. I think these kind of lists really targets system jumpers, suffering from GAS. Unfortunately, the pandemic of gear lust has died down significantly. It turns out the cure for GAS was the smartphone and rising indifference.
Well said. The smart phone industry is utterly destroying the camera industry.
p.2 #14 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
I disagree entirely. First of all, we have more people who go crazy for the absolute minute differences in quality now than ever before. All of these cameras do produce amazing images, but that doesn't stop people from still insisting that they could never shoot with inferior APS-C sensors (some in this thread outright dismiss anything not full frame) or that a 1/2 stop noise or dynamic range advantage makes all the difference to them.
If this list parroted an order of pure image quality (in which case everyone would have said A7R, A7II, A7S), it might point to that, but those of use who have direct experience with dozens of mirrorless cameras gravitate to those that do the other things well.
As to why do a listl like this? First: it's fun. Why does everything have to be so uptight online so much? Every time anyone publishes ANYTHING there's some guy deriding it as useless or whatever. Never mind the much larger proportion who actually enjoys reading about it. If you're not the target demo for the article, fine, but there are plenty of people who are the target audience.
Second, those of us who review cameras get this question CONSTANTLY. You have no idea how many PMs, Twitter DMs and emails I get that ask which camera should they get or how such and such compares to another, Or which is the best. (Note that I don't mind getting and answering these). The point here was, if you ask one person with a broad range of experience what they recommend, you get their opinion. If you ask 30, you can get some level of a consensus on where to start.
If you don't find it helpful, fine, but it can be somewhat helpful for a large portion of people who are looking to get into mirrorless but don't know where to start.
sflxn wrote:
This list really is useless and ridiculous. It's really hard to pick up a bad camera today, if you pick up one of the manufacturer's best camera. The market today isn't like what it was 5 years ago when people were crazed about the "best" gear. I think these kind of lists really targets system jumpers, suffering from GAS. Unfortunately, the pandemic of gear lust has died down significantly. It turns out the cure for GAS was the smartphone and rising indifference.
p.2 #15 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
rattymouse wrote:
You called the FF market tiny (and that Fuji would not compete in such a tiny market) and my reply was that I see far more of this "tiny" market than I do Fuji cameras.
I think I said tiny and fickle. Just read FM to see how fickle they are. Retro for example will only upgrade if they change the sensor glass and upgrade to a revolutionary new sensor. You certainly can't build a business on someone like that.
If we are going with n=1 observations, I have never seen an a7 series camera in the wild (travelling throughout canada).
p.2 #16 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
jctriguy wrote:
I think I said tiny and fickle. Just read FM to see how fickle they are. Retro for example will only upgrade if they change the sensor glass and upgrade to a revolutionary new sensor. You certainly can't build a business on someone like that.
If we are going with n=1 observations, I have never seen an a7 series camera in the wild (travelling throughout canada).
Stop trolling here and cite people correctly. It is correct that I said I would only upgrade my A7R for a new sensor based mirrorless camera with improved resolution and hopefully DR. But I made clear in several posts that I doubt that the sensor stack will be changed unfortunately since Sony will focus on their FE lenses with the A7/A9 series and not on the niche of people who use rangefinder lenses on the mirrorless cameras. Look back at your Canon group - you always claimed that there is no need for a high MP sensor which would be only used by a minority. Now you see what also Canon will be doing with their future 50 MP FF cameras...get it? There is a big demand in new sensor technology, this is why Sony will at some point soon also will release a 50 MP FF mirrorless camera. If you like it or not, but Sony is very successful with their mirrorless FF cameras - it even exceeded their own expectations in the past.
And if you didn't see A7 mirrorless cameras out there, you simply have to get out more!
p.2 #17 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
retrofocus wrote:
Stop trolling here and cite people correctly. It is correct that I said I would only upgrade my A7R for a new sensor based mirrorless camera with improved resolution and hopefully DR. But I made clear in several posts that I doubt that the sensor stack will be changed unfortunately since Sony will focus on their FE lenses with the A7/A9 series and not on the niche of people who use rangefinder lenses on the mirrorless cameras. Look back at your Canon group - you always claimed that there is no need for a high MP sensor which would be only used by a minority. Now you see what also Canon will be doing with their future 50 MP FF cameras...get it? There is a big demand in new sensor technology, this is why Sony will at some point soon also will release a 50 MP FF mirrorless camera. If you like it or not, but Sony is very successful with their mirrorless FF cameras - it even exceeded their own expectations in the past.
And if you didn't see A7 mirrorless cameras out there, you simply have to get out more!...Show more →
I paraphrased your general viewpoint, as I see it. You stated exactly what i said.
You will notice this thread is not about FF, or high MP or the a7 series. It is about the general topic of mirrorless cameras. My response was my opinion of why Fuji hasn't entered the FF mirrorless market. Please provide facts to counter that opinion if you'd like. 'Exceeded expectations' is marketing spin. A big group at a sony sponsored event is meaningless. With an established position by sony, does it make sense for Fuji to fight for a piece of that small pie, or continue in an area where they appear to be making some headway.
I still see mostly dslr in the field. Maybe that is a regional thing? My next camera will certainly not be a high MP body, mirrorless or otherwise. The ILC are still too big for a take anywhere option, so I'll be looking at something like a G7x, rx100 or another fixed lens mirrorless offering.
p.2 #19 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
Jman13 wrote:
I disagree entirely. First of all, we have more people who go crazy for the absolute minute differences in quality now than ever before. All of these cameras do produce amazing images, but that doesn't stop people from still insisting that they could never shoot with inferior APS-C sensors (some in this thread outright dismiss anything not full frame) or that a 1/2 stop noise or dynamic range advantage makes all the difference to them.
If this list parroted an order of pure image quality (in which case everyone would have said A7R, A7II, A7S), it might point to that, but those of use who have direct experience with dozens of mirrorless cameras gravitate to those that do the other things well.
As to why do a listl like this? First: it's fun. Why does everything have to be so uptight online so much? Every time anyone publishes ANYTHING there's some guy deriding it as useless or whatever. Never mind the much larger proportion who actually enjoys reading about it. If you're not the target demo for the article, fine, but there are plenty of people who are the target audience.
Second, those of us who do this get this question CONSTANTLY. You have no idea how many PMs, Twitter DMs and emails I get that ask which camera should they get or how such and such compares to another, Or which is the best. (Note that I don't mind getting and answering these). The point here was, if you ask one person with a broad range of experience what they recommend, you get their opinion. If you ask 30, you can get some level of a consensus on where to start.
If you don't find it helpful, fine, but it can be somewhat helpful for a large portion of people who are looking to get into mirrorless but don't know where to start.
agreed... one of the main purposes of a forum is to generate helpful discussion and answers. So EVERYTHING could be considered subjective, but a general sample can be deemed fairly accurate and helpful, especially to someone who is just getting started.
p.2 #20 · The Best Mirrorless Cameras According to 30 Experts
jctriguy wrote:
I think I said tiny and fickle. Just read FM to see how fickle they are. Retro for example will only upgrade if they change the sensor glass and upgrade to a revolutionary new sensor. You certainly can't build a business on someone like that.
If we are going with n=1 observations, I have never seen an a7 series camera in the wild (travelling throughout canada).
Wow...A7's are massively popular here in Asia. You often read how mirrorless is a success in Asia. I never believed that until Sony released the A7 because SLR's are seen far more often (50:1) than mirrorless. Now that the A7 has been out for awhile, it has really caught on.
