I've not blown any money on a camera in awhile, maybe these would stay me from purchasing a 2nd hand pair of 1dx cameras.
I don't posture behind my keyboard and theorize what Canon should have each product line at; I let them decide it. If they want a speed laden 5d, so be it. If they want a high dr/mp/slow machine, so be it. I buy the model that fits my needs. If I recall reading the advertisements, the 5d wasn't marketed as a mp or speed camera, it was originally an "Affordable full frame." Maybe it's roots could be defined as the affordable luxuries of photography. That is, it encompasses the features of higher end cameras in its lower cost shell.
RobertLynn wrote:
I've not blown any money on a camera in awhile, maybe these would stay me from purchasing a 2nd hand pair of 1dx cameras.
I don't posture behind my keyboard and theorize what Canon should have each product line at; I let them decide it. If they want a speed laden 5d, so be it. If they want a high dr/mp/slow machine, so be it. I buy the model that fits my needs. If I recall reading the advertisements, the 5d wasn't marketed as a mp or speed camera, it was originally an "Affordable full frame." Maybe it's roots could be defined as the affordable luxuries of photography. That is, it encompasses the features of higher end cameras in its lower cost shell.
Again, that's not for me to decide though....Show more →
When the 5D came out 12MP did make in a "mp" camera — that was the highest sensor resolution available at that time. The primary perceived advantages of the 5D when it was released were:
- full frame sensor
- high resolution
- "low" cost (by comparison to $8k 1Ds-series equivalent)
It certainly was not a high speed camera. In fact, the slower speed was one of the compromises one made by comparison to the more expensive alternatives, with the other being the less substantial build quality. This is also why people like landscape, architecture, studio photographers were attracted to it.
When Canon came out with 5d2 they screwed 1ds3 owners like me as they extended the the cheaper 5d line up into where their higher margin 1ds line performance was. Even worse, they took 8 yrs. to give 1ds3 owners interested in high MP for landscapes a legit upgrade till the upcoming 5ds.
gdanmitchell wrote:
When the 5D came out 12MP did make in a "mp" camera — that was the highest sensor resolution available at that time. The primary perceived advantages of the 5D when it was released were:
- full frame sensor
- high resolution
- "low" cost (by comparison to $8k 1Ds-series equivalent)
It certainly was not a high speed camera. In fact, the slower speed was one of the compromises one made by comparison to the more expensive alternatives, with the other being the less substantial build quality. This is also why people like landscape, architecture, studio photographers were attracted to it.
Dan
I do not believe you are correct, as there were other larger MP cameras out, at the time.
I am only recalling how it looked to me, in advertisements. For instance, in the BH catalog, it wasn't touted as the MP king, or speed loser. It was the affordable full frame.
RobertLynn wrote:
I do not believe you are correct, as there were other larger MP cameras out, at the time.
I am only recalling how it looked to me, in advertisements. For instance, in the BH catalog, it wasn't touted as the MP king, or speed loser. It was the affordable full frame.
As I just said, original 5d is 12MP and 1ds2 at the same time is 16MP. So 5d was not the highest MP king.
wayne seltzer wrote:
Any ideas on how they are going to get a quantum leap in DR? Combine multiple shots in camera?
If ML can already do this using dual ISO mode, native support for such a mode could improve upon this. Especially if they start using the 'dual pixel's in their newest sensors rather than having to use a different ISO on every scan line.
People seem really hooked on Sony but there are many ways to get from point A to point B. At some point in the future they might even 'leapfrog' Sony and the others. Or they might just decide it doesn't matter, they've run the numbers for ROI (return on investment) and it still is coming up under a factor of 1.0.
RobertLynn wrote:
I do not believe you are correct, as there were other larger MP cameras out, at the time.
I am only recalling how it looked to me, in advertisements. For instance, in the BH catalog, it wasn't touted as the MP king, or speed loser. It was the affordable full frame.
You are right and I was incorrect. The 5D came out at 12MP, but the 1DsII had been out for a year and it had 16.7MP. Thanks for setting me straight on that!
For many of us who had been shooting the 8MP cropped sensors cameras, the 5D seemed extra special since it was not only full frame but it also increased MP by 50%. But not 100%. ;-)
I got two of the 1Ds II before the 5D was even out. They were fine bodies and I don't think I missed out on anything but weak AF and the mirror failure in the 5D. The improvements from the 2002 1Ds to 2004 1Ds II were substantial in every way.
Interesting you should mention that. When I posted by thank you and mea culpa I was going to point out that the difference between 8MP (which is what the croppers of that era had) and 12MP is of close to the same magnitude as the difference between a 22MP Canon and a 36MP Nikon/Sony.
We forget sometimes that it less about the absolute number of photo sites and more about the relative percentage difference.
12MP compared to 16MP is not much different than comparing 36MP to 50MP today.
jcolwell wrote:
I think the 5D was special because it was the first "affordable" FF DSLR.
Access wrote:
If ML can already do this using dual ISO mode, native support for such a mode could improve upon this. Especially if they start using the 'dual pixel's in their newest sensors rather than having to use a different ISO on every scan line.
People seem really hooked on Sony but there are many ways to get from point A to point B. At some point in the future they might even 'leapfrog' Sony and the others. Or they might just decide it doesn't matter, they've run the numbers for ROI (return on investment) and it still is coming up under a factor of 1.0....Show more →
Pixel binning for increased DR and improved high ISO noise is one way to approach the future now that we can have 50+ mp cameras. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the next 5D and 1D, as both are speculated to be bringing bigger changes than we have seen so far.
